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Topic Started: May 17 2004, 07:41 AM (358 Views)
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The pitcher the Yanks will add to this staff will be my boy Freddy Garcia. Of course getting Garcia means giving up my other boy Navarro. I'm not convinced I want to do it, but I am convinced this will be the pitcher we get, not RJ. Not a bad move either, if he has indeed re found the form that made him the Ace of the Mariners staff and the man the Yankees couldn't solve in 2000. This to me is like a Vazquez type deal, and you got to give up something to get something. Yes, Navarro would look good slowly taking over for Posada and shifting Posada to more of a DH/1B role with Giambi once Bernie retires and we get a CF'er.....of course that is a couple of years down the road. However, can you pass up getting a guy like Freddie for this years run? There's no doubt in my mind we need another pitcher. Moose has been up and down to say the least, Brown is the ace but is 39 years old and injury prone, Vazquez is a great young arm but still unproven in the big game and Lieber has never hurled a playoff game either. That would be your four come postseason as of now. We are going to need another arm this year so why not just make the move for Garcia. From what he's said he wants to be a Yankee and more then just this year. I'm very confident we will make sure we sign him to an extension if we are going to give up Navarro. Make no mistake folks, Freddy Garcia will be a Yankee come July.
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May 17 2004, 07:41 AM
The pitcher the Yanks will add to this staff will be my boy Freddy Garcia. Of course getting Garcia means giving up my other boy Navarro. I'm not convinced I want to do it, but I am convinced this will be the pitcher we get, not RJ. Not a bad move either, if he has indeed re found the form that made him the Ace of the Mariners staff and the man the Yankees couldn't solve in 2000. This to me is like a Vazquez type deal, and you got to give up something to get something. Yes, Navarro would look good slowly taking over for Posada and shifting Posada to more of a DH/1B role with Giambi once Bernie retires and we get a CF'er.....of course that is a couple of years down the road. However, can you pass up getting a guy like Freddie for this years run? There's no doubt in my mind we need another pitcher. Moose has been up and down to say the least, Brown is the ace but is 39 years old and injury prone, Vazquez is a great young arm but still unproven in the big game and Lieber has never hurled a playoff game either. That would be your four come postseason as of now. We are going to need another arm this year so why not just make the move for Garcia. From what he's said he wants to be a Yankee and more then just this year. I'm very confident we will make sure we sign him to an extension if we are going to give up Navarro. Make no mistake folks, Freddy Garcia will be a Yankee come July.

I think the Yankees might be able to get Garcia without using Navarro or Duncan. Just a hunch.
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Rumors. How does Freddy Garcia come into the picture, all of a sudden? B/c he said to his agent that he would love to come to NY?
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May 17 2004, 10:07 AM
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May 17 2004, 07:41 AM
The pitcher the Yanks will add to this staff will be my boy Freddy Garcia.  Of course getting Garcia means giving up my other boy Navarro.  I'm not convinced I want to do it, but I am convinced this will be the pitcher we get, not RJ.  Not a bad move either, if he has indeed re found the form that made him the Ace of the Mariners staff and the man the Yankees couldn't solve in 2000.  This to me is like a Vazquez type deal, and you got to give up something to get something.  Yes, Navarro would look good slowly taking over for Posada and shifting Posada to more of a DH/1B role with Giambi once Bernie retires and we get a CF'er.....of course that is a couple of years down the road.  However, can you pass up getting a guy like Freddie for this years run?  There's no doubt in my mind we need another pitcher.  Moose has been up and down to say the least, Brown is the ace but is 39 years old and injury prone, Vazquez is a great young arm but still unproven in the big game and Lieber has never hurled a playoff game either.  That would be your four come postseason as of now.  We are going to need another arm this year so why not just make the move for Garcia.  From what he's said he wants to be a Yankee and more then just this year.  I'm very confident we will make sure we sign him to an extension if we are going to give up Navarro.  Make no mistake folks, Freddy Garcia will be a Yankee come July.

I think the Yankees might be able to get Garcia without using Navarro or Duncan. Just a hunch.

I sure hope so. Honeslty though, I'd rather use Duncan, A Rod has 3rd base locked up for the next seven years.
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May 17 2004, 10:29 AM
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May 17 2004, 07:41 AM
The pitcher the Yanks will add to this staff will be my boy Freddy Garcia.  Of course getting Garcia means giving up my other boy Navarro.  I'm not convinced I want to do it, but I am convinced this will be the pitcher we get, not RJ.  Not a bad move either, if he has indeed re found the form that made him the Ace of the Mariners staff and the man the Yankees couldn't solve in 2000.  This to me is like a Vazquez type deal, and you got to give up something to get something.  Yes, Navarro would look good slowly taking over for Posada and shifting Posada to more of a DH/1B role with Giambi once Bernie retires and we get a CF'er.....of course that is a couple of years down the road.  However, can you pass up getting a guy like Freddie for this years run?  There's no doubt in my mind we need another pitcher.  Moose has been up and down to say the least, Brown is the ace but is 39 years old and injury prone, Vazquez is a great young arm but still unproven in the big game and Lieber has never hurled a playoff game either.  That would be your four come postseason as of now.  We are going to need another arm this year so why not just make the move for Garcia.  From what he's said he wants to be a Yankee and more then just this year.  I'm very confident we will make sure we sign him to an extension if we are going to give up Navarro.  Make no mistake folks, Freddy Garcia will be a Yankee come July.

I think the Yankees might be able to get Garcia without using Navarro or Duncan. Just a hunch.

I sure hope so. Honeslty though, I'd rather use Duncan, A Rod has 3rd base locked up for the next seven years.

Yeah, but Duncan could be a Giambi replacement or move to the outfield.
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May 17 2004, 10:26 AM
Rumors. How does Freddy Garcia come into the picture, all of a sudden? B/c he said to his agent that he would love to come to NY?

With the Mariners likely not getting back into the race they would love to shed his 7 million dollar salary. They almost non tendered him in the off season because they didn't want to have to pay what arbitration they were going to have to. This is more then a rumor, if the Mariners don't get into the race by the deadline, they will shop Freddy Garcia.
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See this, you assfuckers? Who came up with this idea the other day? I swear the sportswriters must read this sh*t.

Looks like it will be Navarro. Hate to do it, but I would. Garcia turns 28 in a month, has won big games in the past, is pitching like he used to AND wants to be a Yankee.

Look - I hate to trade a top prospect, but its not like we'd be doing it for 400 year-old Randy Johnson. The guy is not even 28 yet. This is the type of move we need to make.

Navarro for Garcia straight up? I'd do it.


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May 17 2004, 11:03 AM
See this, you assfuckers? Who came up with this idea the other day? I swear the sportswriters must read this sh*t.

Looks like it will be Navarro. Hate to do it, but I would. Garcia turns 28 in a month, has won big games in the past, is pitching like he used to AND wants to be a Yankee.

Look - I hate to trade a top prospect, but its not like we'd be doing it for 400 year-old Randy Johnson. The guy is not even 28 yet. This is the type of move we need to make.

Navarro for Garcia straight up? I'd do it.

Exactly, I'm ready to do this deal as well.
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May 17 2004, 10:08 AM
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May 17 2004, 11:03 AM
See this, you assfuckers? Who came up with this idea the other day? I swear the sportswriters must read this sh*t.

Looks like it will be Navarro. Hate to do it, but I would. Garcia turns 28 in a month, has won big games in the past, is pitching like he used to AND wants to be a Yankee.

Look - I hate to trade a top prospect, but its not like we'd be doing it for 400 year-old Randy Johnson. The guy is not even 28 yet. This is the type of move we need to make.

Navarro for Garcia straight up? I'd do it.

Exactly, I'm ready to do this deal as well.


Glad you're on board Vinnie. You're the biggest Navarro supporter around here, but you understand that you have to give something to get something. There is not enough quality starting pitching to go around the league, and everybody is always looking for it. So teams are not going to give a Freddy Garcia away. Usually, you are going to have to overpay for it. This is a fair deal.


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May 17 2004, 11:12 AM
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See this, you assfuckers? Who came up with this idea the other day? I swear the sportswriters must read this sh*t.

Looks like it will be Navarro. Hate to do it, but I would. Garcia turns 28 in a month, has won big games in the past, is pitching like he used to AND wants to be a Yankee.

Look - I hate to trade a top prospect, but its not like we'd be doing it for 400 year-old Randy Johnson. The guy is not even 28 yet. This is the type of move we need to make.

Navarro for Garcia straight up? I'd do it.

Exactly, I'm ready to do this deal as well.


Glad you're on board Vinnie. You're the biggest Navarro supporter around here, but you understand that you have to give something to get something. There is not enough quality starting pitching to go around the league, and everybody is always looking for it. So teams are not going to give a Freddy Garcia away. Usually, you are going to have to overpay for it. This is a fair deal.

Plus I've always been a huge fan of Freddy Garcia, I can't understand the problem he's had the last couple of years, ever since the all star game that ended in a tie he hasn't been the same. It looks like he's got things turned around though.......
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I'd look to make this move quickly, if at all possible.

If Gracia keeps it up, his value is going to climb, and we might not be able to get him. I don't want to wait until the deadline, and then have to trade Navarro for a Jeff Suppan-type P.O.S.


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I wouldn't mind Freddy at all, his recrod will vastly improve because he'll have plenty of run-support here, he pitches like he has and we're set. With Contreras' stuff for an inning or two i'd be real happy..good fastball,forkball and changeup :thumbup:
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Trading for Freddy means the Yankees are giving up on Contreras as a starter for the rest of the year, unless there's an injury. I would love to trade Contreras, but he is making way too much money.
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May 17 2004, 11:57 AM
Trading for Freddy means the Yankees are giving up on Contreras as a starter for the rest of the year, unless there's an injury. I would love to trade Contreras, but he is making way too much money.

It's still good insurance to keep Contreras with an iffy Lieber.....and we know KB can drop any second......
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Deal Sturtze for him :D
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Trading for Freddy means the Yankees are giving up on Contreras as a starter for the rest of the year, unless there's an injury.  I would love to trade Contreras, but he is making way too much money.

It's still good insurance to keep Contreras with an iffy Lieber.....and we know KB can drop any second......


I agree. If we got Garcia today, I'd move Contreras into the long-man role. And if anybody gets hurt or falters, then Contreras gets a shot.

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Navarro Still a prospect for Garcia, I'd have to say do it remember Navarro's path is blocked by Jorge I don't think he's ready to give up his job, with an all Star catcher in front of him when is Navarro going to play for us? in 4 or 5 years maybe and until he does it in the majors we don't really know if he will.
If I thought he would be a key in getting a Barry Zito or Hudson type pitcher I'd hold on to him but both those if they can be had will become available by free agency at some point or other.
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I would rather give up Duncan instead of Navarro. I would like to keep both Duncan and Navarro, but what can you do?
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I think we could probably get Garcia without giving up Dunan or Navarro. Center the deal around Robinson Cano and Scott Proctor/Bret Prinz, give them Crosby too.
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I would rather not ship Proctor out just yet. He could prove valuable in the not so distant future.
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May 17 2004, 03:23 PM
I would rather give up Duncan instead of Navarro. I would like to keep both Duncan and Navarro, but what can you do?

Duncan has a better chance of finding a spot on the Yankees than Navarro does. Posada blocks Duncan. Duncan can shift positions (1st, OF) to get into the lineup. Navarro doesn't have that flexibility.
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I said it the other day - you f*ckers want to receive, but you don't want to give.

If Seattle is looking to give Garcia away for free, then I'm sure there are at least 20 other teams that will be interested.

If they ask for Navarro, then give them Navarro.


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I would not make the trade now. I'll wait another month or two and see how Garcia is doing. He's been bad 2 years in a row.

Plus you never know who else might become available. You have to wait and see what happens, especially when you're trading your top prospect! Plus, we are in first place after a horrible start. Lets see how Contreras does and go from there!
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May 17 2004, 02:43 PM
I would not make the trade now. I'll wait another month or two and see how Garcia is doing. He's been bad 2 years in a row.

Plus you never know who else might become available. You have to wait and see what happens, especially when you're trading your top prospect! Plus, we are in first place after a horrible start. Lets see how Contreras does and go from there!


That's one way of looking at it Rob. But if he keeps it up, he could get very expensive, and maybe then he'll cost more than just Navarro?

I'd like to see it happen soon.


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I don't want to wind up overpaying for the Baldwin/Suppan type shitfuckers that are always talked about around the deadline.




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May 17 2004, 10:54 AM
I wouldn't mind Freddy at all, his recrod will vastly improve because he'll have plenty of run-support here, he pitches like he has and we're set. With Contreras' stuff for an inning or two i'd be real happy..good fastball,forkball and changeup :thumbup:

32 million for a set up man :no1:
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we all know money is not an issue here............. georgie would pay 100 mil for the last guy on the bench if he thought the blowsox wanted him real bad..................
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I wouldn't mind Freddy at all, his recrod will vastly improve because he'll have plenty of run-support here, he pitches like he has and we're set. With Contreras' stuff for an inning or two i'd be real happy..good fastball,forkball and changeup :thumbup:

32 million for a set up man :no1:


Better than a 32 million dollar AAA pitcher.


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Sad thing is he won't even be a 32 million dollar set up man, he'll be a 32 million dollar long relief mop up man and maybe in during a big spot in the 6th inning if you need. We have Quantrill and Flash to set up the 7th and 8th.
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