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Topic Started: May 16 2004, 03:26 PM (329 Views)
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focue MUST BE on rebuilding our youth system....I'd hire scouts from around the globe, like we did in the early 90's and scour every available player known to man...Then for the first time ..I'd look to dump players for picks and propects down the stretch ..if possible, although I know HIGHLY unlikely. But whatever it takes...this problem needs to be fixed ....fast. The cupboard is empty.
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This team will not be dumping any high profile players for prospects....
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May 16 2004, 03:27 PM
This team will not be dumping any high profile players for prospects....

Lofton...could bring back a decent pick or mid range prospect from a team like Philly...
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May 16 2004, 04:11 PM
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May 16 2004, 03:27 PM
This team will not be dumping any high profile players for prospects....

Lofton...could bring back a decent pick or mid range prospect from a team like Philly...

True......a guy like Lofton I could see going.......kind of like what we got back for a VEntura or Mondesi.
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You can't trade players for picks, although you should be able to.

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SheffofthePresent
May 16 2004, 03:26 PM
focue MUST BE on rebuilding our youth system....I'd hire scouts from around the globe, like we did in the early 90's and scour every available player known to man...Then for the first time ..I'd look to dump players for picks and propects down the stretch ..if possible, although I know HIGHLY unlikely. But whatever it takes...this problem needs to be fixed ....fast. The cupboard is empty.


When did the Yanks become also rans? This idea of rebuilding is a fiction idea, ever heard of free agency? That’s how we rebuild, what makes you think we don't scout the Latin countries, What the Yanks have been is the most successful franchise in sports, not good enough for you I love this get young idea, yes everybody will give there best young players for a washed old player, besides do the old players win Clemens is old and winning Brown is old and winning,
Weaver was young and useless. In the end ask yourself have what the Yanks done been successful or not and just to say you'd rewrite the script did you decide were never going to win again







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May 16 2004, 07:03 PM
You can't trade players for picks, although you should be able to.

You can trade players for prospects and if you throw in some extra $$$doe-re-mi$$$, (like paying ALL of Lofton's salary) you can get even better prospects back... :dance:
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May 16 2004, 02:26 PM
focue MUST BE on rebuilding our youth system....I'd hire scouts from around the globe, like we did in the early 90's and scour every available player known to man...Then for the first time ..I'd look to dump players for picks and propects down the stretch ..if possible, although I know HIGHLY unlikely. But whatever it takes...this problem needs to be fixed ....fast. The cupboard is empty.

:serious: :thumbdown:
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May 16 2004, 11:46 PM
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May 16 2004, 02:26 PM
focue MUST BE on rebuilding our youth system....I'd hire scouts from around the globe, like we did in the early 90's and scour every available player known to man...Then for the first time ..I'd look to dump players for picks and propects down the stretch ..if possible, although I know HIGHLY unlikely. But whatever it takes...this problem needs to be fixed ....fast. The cupboard is empty.

:serious: :thumbdown:

What does that mean? You're happy w/ Alex Graman? and overpaying for spare parts? :serious:
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May 16 2004, 08:52 PM
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May 16 2004, 03:26 PM
focue MUST BE on rebuilding our youth system....I'd hire scouts from around the globe, like we did in the early 90's and scour every available player known to man...Then for the first time ..I'd look to dump players for picks and propects down the stretch ..if possible, although I know HIGHLY unlikely. But whatever it takes...this problem needs to be fixed ....fast. The cupboard is empty.


When did the Yanks become also rans? This idea of rebuilding is a fiction idea, ever heard of free agency? That’s how we rebuild, what makes you think we don't scout the Latin countries, What the Yanks have been is the most successful franchise in sports, not good enough for you I love this get young idea, yes everybody will give there best young players for a washed old player, besides do the old players win Clemens is old and winning Brown is old and winning,
Weaver was young and useless. In the end ask yourself have what the Yanks done been successful or not and just to say you'd rewrite the script did you decide were never going to win again

Dontrelle Willis-Brad Penny-Carl Pavano-Josh Beckett -Juan Pierreare Cabera-Lowell are/were young...your point? :serious:
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SheffofthePresent
May 17 2004, 12:30 AM
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May 16 2004, 08:52 PM
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May 16 2004, 03:26 PM
focue MUST BE on rebuilding our youth system....I'd hire scouts from around the globe, like we did in the early 90's and scour every available player known to man...Then for the first time ..I'd look to dump players for picks and propects down the stretch ..if possible, although I know HIGHLY unlikely. But whatever it takes...this problem needs to be fixed ....fast. The cupboard is empty.


When did the Yanks become also rans? This idea of rebuilding is a fiction idea, ever heard of free agency? That’s how we rebuild, what makes you think we don't scout the Latin countries, What the Yanks have been is the most successful franchise in sports, not good enough for you I love this get young idea, yes everybody will give there best young players for a washed old player, besides do the old players win Clemens is old and winning Brown is old and winning,
Weaver was young and useless. In the end ask yourself have what the Yanks done been successful or not and just to say you'd rewrite the script did you decide were never going to win again

Dontrelle Willis-Brad Penny-Carl Pavano-Josh Beckett -Juan Pierreare Cabera-Lowell are/were young...your point? :serious:

We have won a hell of a lot more than any of them. Is that your idea of getting young hope to catch lighting in a bottle instead of being in it every year FLA will eventually lose most of those young players maybe some team called the NY.Y
will sign them. Unless they do away with free agency and allowing teams to dump salary it will remain the best method of upgrading your team. That is my point.
Plus the fact we are the most successful team in the Majors,but i would think you knew that.
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There is know question that the talent at the higher level farm teams has become thin. Obviously it's too early to tell how the guys in the lower minors will develop. I agree that we need to start building the farm system back up. The core of the Yankees championship run were Yankee bred players or good prospects/players that could be dealt (like Kelly for O'Neill). The problem now is that we don't have much in the way of good established minor leaguers that could be dealt for major league talent.
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i have been looking for the yankees to take this approach since after the 2000 series . they looked horrible in september that year , limped into the postseason , and got hot in the playoffs and won another title . to me it looked like the icing on the cake , and i felt at that point the yankees had built up enough credit with the fans ( 4 rings in 5 years was good enough for me ... )to take a couple of years to restock the farm and develop some young talent that would put us in position for not another title , but another dynasty . at this point the yankees have to many guys on the back end of their career to look for another dynasty , all we can do now is hope to win the championship year to year . steinbrenner will never take this approach . but we all know what this method has won us since that 2000 title . NOTHING. nothing but an absurd payroll , old players and an empty farm system . any day now we are going to wake up and be the boston celtics . remember when they were great ?? but they held on to the old talent for too long , never got younger , and have been horrible for a decade .
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Remember that the worst teams get the best picks. Being that we're in the WS every year, we don't get the high 1st round picks.

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You can trade players for prospects and if you throw in some extra $$$doe-re-mi$$$, (like paying ALL of Lofton's salary) you can get even better prospects back...


I mean for the actual pick itself. In the NFL, you could trade a running back for a 2nd round pick, you can't do that in baseball.
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The point i'm trying to make is now is not the time to rebuild just yet!!!!!
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NYFanYGRK83
May 17 2004, 02:12 PM
The point i'm trying to make is now is not the time to rebuild just yet!!!!!


We've won the pennant 5 of the last 6 years (and 6 of the last 8 years). We have a 180 plus million dollar payroll. I might be inclined to hold off on the rebuild right now. ;)




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I'm not for going into a rebuilding mode (my teams in the NHL, NBA, and NFL are already doing that). I just want to built up the farm system better.
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Exactly MM. Which is why I don't want to see them trade away Duncan or Navarro.
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The way to get the Mark Prior-type prospects is to pick at the top of the draft. In order to get the top picks, you have to lose alot. Good plan?


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May 17 2004, 03:26 PM
The way to get the Mark Prior-type prospects is to pick at the top of the draft. In order to get the top picks, you have to lose alot. Good plan?

Speaking of Prior, it's a little know fact that he is a former Yankee draft pick (busting out a Cliff Claven line).
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Yup, chose to go to college instead. Can't bust on the Yankees for that one, never know if Prior would be as good of a pitcher if he didnt go to USC.
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May 17 2004, 02:12 PM
The point i'm trying to make is now is not the time to rebuild just yet!!!!!

Thats right the Yankees dont rebuild we just reload :thumbup:
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May 17 2004, 03:27 PM
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The way to get the Mark Prior-type prospects is to pick at the top of the draft. In order to get the top picks, you have to lose alot. Good plan?

Speaking of Prior, it's a little know fact that he is a former Yankee draft pick (busting out a Cliff Claven line).

:stop: we all knew that. His arm injury may cost him the year.
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The way to get the Mark Prior-type prospects is to pick at the top of the draft. In order to get the top picks, you have to lose alot. Good plan?

Speaking of Prior, it's a little know fact that he is a former Yankee draft pick (busting out a Cliff Claven line).

:stop: we all knew that. His arm injury may cost him the year.

Maybe you knew that all along, and maybe a bunch of people knew that today before I posted it, but when I brought it up last year, there were plenty of shocked people who did not know Prior was a Yankee draft pick out of high school.

I'm hoping he gets back soon. One, I like watching him pitch. Two, my fantasy team is dying for him to come back.
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Unless you're worried about the Clippers' standings, then you shouldn't be worried about rebuilding. When you're the perennial favorites to win the World Series, 19 year old minor leaguers ain't your focus. We address our holes with money. That's how it goes and that's how it will continue to be until Steinbrenner dies or sells the team.
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May 17 2004, 04:48 PM
Unless you're worried about the Clippers' standings, then you shouldn't be worried about rebuilding. When you're the perennial favorites to win the World Series, 19 year old minor leaguers ain't your focus. We address our holes with money. That's how it goes and that's how it will continue to be until Steinbrenner dies or sells the team.

Yeah, that has always worked well for Steinbrenner, right? Read up on his mistakes of the 1980s and early 1990s. It's worked out well lately, but the championship teams of 1996 and beyond were not built solely on throwing around money. Yes I know, you're the all-knowing Strider and never wrong, but somehow you are wrong here. You know the Yankees existed before 1998, right?
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Reading the title of this thread and some of the replies you would think were mired in last place and were more of a NY Rangers team than the Yanks.
That whole bullsh*t about what we were good then George did this and George did that etc. If anyone in this thread including me is ever as successful as George let me know we can sail your yacht around the world.
When people talk about spoiled Yankee brats I do believe there talking about some right here on this board "what we need to do is f*cking relax and let the season play along for a while, Right now we could beat anybody in a seven game series, So just how bad are we Lieber has won 2 out 3 starts, nothing guaranteed but he has shown he can be a tremendous help. I very much doubt George will allow the season to sink if a starting pitcher is what we need. Of course we could become the youngest team in baseball finish last every year and some of you might be happy,
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May 17 2004, 02:57 PM
Yup, chose to go to college instead. Can't bust on the Yankees for that one, never know if Prior would be as good of a pitcher if he didnt go to USC.

a small favor, MooMoo:

your sig is so wide it's stretching my screen to the right. can you move dukee down below terminator please?

Thanks,

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Yup, chose to go to college instead.  Can't bust on the Yankees for that one, never know if Prior would be as good of a pitcher if he didnt go to USC.

a small favor, MooMoo:

your sig is so wide it's stretching my screen to the right. can you move dukee down below terminator please?

Thanks,

YB

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