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Want a bold move for a starter?
Topic Started: May 14 2004, 04:58 PM (524 Views)
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May 14 2004, 04:47 PM
Well Hudson isn't available. Garcia has had success, is having success right now, and will only be 28 in June. He'd slide nicely into that 4th spot, and let Lieber and Contreras battle it out for 5.

By the way cmnyy, Lieber won't have to battle it out with Contreras for the #5. Liebers in. Contreras will be lucky to make our bullpen as a mop up man. If they're both healthy, no way I can envision a scenario when Contreras displaces Lieber...IMHO :agent:
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May 14 2004, 06:21 PM
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May 14 2004, 04:47 PM
Well Hudson isn't available. Garcia has had success, is having success right now, and will only be 28 in June. He'd slide nicely into that 4th spot, and let Lieber and Contreras battle it out for 5.

By the way cmnyy, Lieber won't have to battle it out with Contreras for the #5. Liebers in. Contreras will be lucky to make our bullpen as a mop up man. If they're both healthy, no way I can envision a scenario when Contreras displaces Lieber...IMHO :agent:


Well what's your take on Garcia YB?

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May 14 2004, 06:26 PM
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May 14 2004, 04:47 PM
Well Hudson isn't available. Garcia has had success, is having success right now, and will only be 28 in June. He'd slide nicely into that 4th spot, and let Lieber and Contreras battle it out for 5.

By the way cmnyy, Lieber won't have to battle it out with Contreras for the #5. Liebers in. Contreras will be lucky to make our bullpen as a mop up man. If they're both healthy, no way I can envision a scenario when Contreras displaces Lieber...IMHO :agent:


Well what's your take on Garcia YB?

I wouldn't mind Garcia, but not for Matsui. Matsui is reliable all around and pays for himself with the Japanese connection. No way Steinbrenner even considers moving him.

Garcia's head scares me. Here's what ESPN says:

" Freddy Garcia, counted on to be the ace of the Mariners' staff, pitched like an ace for weeks at a time, but also went through stretches where he got hammered regularly. He bounced back and forth between the two extremes so often that it was impossible to know what to expect from him on any given day. Understandably, the situation produced frustration all around, not the least of which from Garcia himself, whose maturity had been questioned in the past".

We've seen what NY can do to head cases who have great stuff...

I'd send Contreras, Lofton, $$$ and Graman which I don't think gets it done.
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I think Garcia could end up being a Jeff Weaver type aquisition. He pitches in a very spacious, pitcher friendly park in Safeco and has been known to be very streaky. With that said, with Randy Winn not producing, Lofton, Heredia and someone like Sean Penn might be enough to get it done.
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May 14 2004, 08:18 PM
I think Garcia could end up being a Jeff Weaver type aquisition. He pitches in a very spacious, pitcher friendly park in Safeco and has been known to be very streaky. With that said, with Randy Winn not producing, Lofton, Heredia and someone like Sean Penn might be enough to get it done.

Great actor, but I'm not sure he can play baseball. ;)
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I'd take Garcia in a second, but I'd rather wait till he's a FA after this season as well.
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They won't take Lofton; they have a leadoff hitter.

They won't take Clark; they have Olerud.

I don't see who else they would take, who we can afford to give up. I don't see how we could possibly work out a trade with them for Garcia.
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May 16 2004, 04:25 PM
They won't take Lofton; they have a leadoff hitter.

They won't take Clark; they have Olerud.

I don't see who else they would take, who we can afford to give up. I don't see how we could possibly work out a trade with them for Garcia.

Ken Davidoff of Newsday thinks the Yankees will end up with Freddy Garcia and he thinks it could be for Dioneer Navarro. He thinks it makes sense since they are not happy with their supposed catcher of the present and future, Ben Davis, Dan Wilson is getting up there, and they have a 41 year old backup catcher in Pat Borders. Garcia told one of the Yankees' Spanish radio announcers that it would "make his day" to be traded to the Yankees.

I don't think I want to give up Navarro for a guy who could be a half season rental. He's a free agent at the end of the year. I don't mind Garcia as a middle to back of the rotation guy, but I don't like him as an ace (much how I felt about Colon in the offseason and yes I know the Yankees wouldn't need him to be their ace) and I don't like giving up one of the last 2 legit prospects the Yankees have to get him.
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I'd rather have Pineiro.
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May 16 2004, 11:26 PM
I'd rather have Pineiro.

Definitely, but I don't think the M's are looking to move him.
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Yeah, I know. Too bad.
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Did you hear during today's game when they said they refused to trade him for Scott Rolen? I know you have to hold onto young starters, but I would have a hard time turning down Scott Rolen. You know if the Yankees didn't have Henson at the time, they would have been very involved with Philly in trade talks for Rolen. Oh well, I am thrilled with A-Rod at 3B, so it's not a big deal anyway.
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Yeah, I think I'd do that deal. Rolen's the 2nd best 3b in baseball, while Pineiro's just a soild starter.
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What a rotation this could bE!!!!!!!!

KB
Vaz
Mussina
Garcia
Lieber :rock:
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Yeah, I think I'd do that deal. Rolen's the 2nd best 3b in baseball, while Pineiro's just a soild starter.


Piniero has the potential to be great, but Rolen is still a relatively young player and he's great defensively and with the bat. I'd be tempted. I am against trading young homegrown talent for players on the downside of their career, but Rolen is in his prime and will be for several years.

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What a rotation this could bE!!!!!!!!

KB
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Garcia
Lieber


If it would mean trading your boy Navarro though, would you do it?
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How about this: FU*K FREDDY GARCIA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :rifle:
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May 16 2004, 11:45 PM
How about this: FU*K FREDDY GARCIA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :rifle:

Why? He's solid.
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Yeah, I think I'd do that deal. Rolen's the 2nd best 3b in baseball, while Pineiro's just a soild starter.


Piniero has the potential to be great, but Rolen is still a relatively young player and he's great defensively and with the bat. I'd be tempted. I am against trading young homegrown talent for players on the downside of their career, but Rolen is in his prime and will be for several years.

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What a rotation this could bE!!!!!!!!

KB
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Garcia
Lieber


If it would mean trading your boy Navarro though, would you do it?

:serious: I dont' think so, mainly because we can just sign Freddy in the off season.........I might do it though if we can trade for him and then ink him to an extension in the months afterwards....
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May 16 2004, 11:45 PM
How about this: FU*K FREDDY GARCIA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :rifle:

f*ck the Rock lookalike? :unsure:
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I can totally see Steinbrenner trading Navvaro for Garcia and it makes me wants to puke. He did it for Boone last year (Trading away Claussen) and now he can definitely end up trading Navvaro and Duncan, and maybe even Bubba. As we all know, George is all about winning it now, at all costs, and will do things to hurt us big, in order to do what he thinks will make us win now. Garcia has talent (Like Weaver) but I don't think he has what it takes to pitch in New York.

Trading Matsui for Garcia is even worse. Like Metssuck said, Matsui is the exact type of player you need, especially for the playoffs. Garcia will crawl under his desk, when the heat is on.
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May 16 2004, 10:49 PM
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How about this: FU*K FREDDY GARCIA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  :rifle:

f*ck the Rock lookalike? :unsure:

he looks nothing like him!!!!!!!!!!!
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How about this: FU*K FREDDY GARCIA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  :rifle:

f*ck the Rock lookalike? :unsure:

he looks nothing like him!!!!!!!!!!!

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I can totally see Steinbrenner trading Navvaro for Garcia and it makes me wants to puke.  He did it for Boone last year (Trading away Claussen) and now he can definitely end up trading Navvaro and Duncan, and maybe even Bubba. As we all know, George is all about winning it now, at all costs, and will do things to hurt us big, in order to do what he thinks will make us win now.  Garcia has talent (Like Weaver) but I don't think he has what it takes to pitch in New York.

Trading Matsui for Garcia is even worse.  Like Metssuck said, Matsui is the exact type of player you need, especially for the playoffs.  Garcia will crawl under his desk, when the heat is on.

Don't worry about trading Matsui. He's not going anywhere. Matsui's Japan connection makes Steinbrenner millions.......


I'd trade Navarro or Duncan for Piniero.
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Trading Matsui for Garcia is even worse. Like Metssuck said, Matsui is the exact type of player you need, especially for the playoffs. Garcia will crawl under his desk, when the heat is on.

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He did it for Boone last year (Trading away Claussen) and now he can definitely end up trading Navvaro and Duncan, and maybe even Bubba.


God forbid we trade away a 27 year old rookie who has zero future with the Yankees!

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Garcia has talent (Like Weaver) but I don't think he has what it takes to pitch in New York.


Silliness. Garcia is better than Weaver. Freddy has also proven himself in the postseason particulary against the Yanks. This guy would not be bothered by NY.
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May 14 2004, 03:58 PM
Chew on this you f*ckers:

Hideki Matsui for Freddy Garcia.

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Seattle needs offense. We can spare it. He only makes about 7 a year.

Gotta give something to get something...



By the way, he probably has a no-trade. But what if you could do this???

Hell no. First I like Matsui as he usually comes through and not on long slumps. How soon we forget. Second for very selfish reasons. Get rid of Matsui and there goes my watching the Yankees live here in Japan, so I think you know how I feel. :dance:
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May 16 2004, 11:53 PM
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Trading Matsui for Garcia is even worse.  Like Metssuck said, Matsui is the exact type of player you need, especially for the playoffs.  Garcia will crawl under his desk, when the heat is on.

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He did it for Boone last year (Trading away Claussen) and now he can definitely end up trading Navvaro and Duncan, and maybe even Bubba.


God forbid we trade away a 27 year old rookie who has zero future with the Yankees!

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Garcia has talent (Like Weaver) but I don't think he has what it takes to pitch in New York.


Silliness. Garcia is better than Weaver. Freddy has also proven himself in the postseason particulary against the Yanks. This guy would not be bothered by NY.

I'm all on the bring my boy Freddy to the Yankees wagon...not sure if I want to part with Navarro, but if we want him that's what it takes. I'm almost ready to just wait till the offseason when he's a FA.
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Trading Matsui for Garcia is even worse.  Like Metssuck said, Matsui is the exact type of player you need, especially for the playoffs.  Garcia will crawl under his desk, when the heat is on.

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He did it for Boone last year (Trading away Claussen) and now he can definitely end up trading Navvaro and Duncan, and maybe even Bubba.


God forbid we trade away a 27 year old rookie who has zero future with the Yankees!

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Garcia has talent (Like Weaver) but I don't think he has what it takes to pitch in New York.


Silliness. Garcia is better than Weaver. Freddy has also proven himself in the postseason particulary against the Yanks. This guy would not be bothered by NY.

And Jason Giambi hit moon many moon shots against us, as an A, but look at how his production has decreased AS a YANKEE. Just b/c you can play well in NY as an opponent doesn't mean you can play well in NY as a Yankee or Met or Knick or Net or Ranger or Islander or Giant or Jet. Like Matt23 said, if we trade our young prospects for this guy, it can end up being a half year rental, which = Claussen for Boone deal, which = disaster. I don't want to take part in that again.

And what makes you think Bubba has no chance with us, in our future with our aging Bernie Williams and shitty Kenny Lofton. Matsui is a left fielder. You think George ends up getting Cameron or something? I think not! Good young centerfielders don't come off trees and they are almost as important as good pitchers. We have one in the name of Bubba.
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Bubba will never be anything, especially as a Yankee, just my opinion though.
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Why is everyone trashing the Boone deal? You really think if Claussen is so good, he wouldn't be starting for one of the worst pitching teams in baseball? He has a 4.55 ERA in AAA. He's not that good.
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And what did Boone do for us, besides a series clinching home run?
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