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Religion, Science... Beliefs ok?!; They exist, get over it.
Topic Started: Mar 13 2009, 10:16 PM (1,885 Views)
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Under The Ashes,Mar 15 2009
06:27 PM
Not true. God does not send people to Hell. We send ourselves, by not believing in him. We're the arrogant self-important, conceited crap heads. Not God.

UTA, that makes no sense, and it has no point. At all. WTF mate? Actually he would send people to hell, not they. Dummy. Read your own writing.
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I do believe Satan actually sends us to hell <_<

Anyway, if we have choice, we have a will of our own. God just knows what we are going to do. He does not (usually) control us. So earlier statement about not having our own will retracted, I take it?

Also, what denomination are you?

Edit: lol, Tim. Nice.
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And this kind of crap is why I never participate in multi-person discussions involving God. For one thing, most other Christians don't use any logic and do really just trust the ancient book.

You are not better than God. You don't get to choose what's right and wrong. What you think makes God conceited and whatnot really doesn't. It just means you have a skewed view of right and wrong. I don't know what makes it so hard to understand that God is perfection and the only thing that existed before he decided to make everything else. Once again, that's all speaking as though you do believe in God, of course.
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And this kind of crap is why I never participate in multi-person discussions involving God.

You are not better than God. You don't get to choose what's right and wrong. What you think makes God conceited and whatnot really doesn't. It just means you have a skewed view of right and wrong. I don't know what makes it so hard to understand that God is perfection and the only thing that existed before he decided to make everything else.

outside of the bible wheres the proof


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The proof is in the people. And environment.

And if you're open enough, in your head.

By the way, don't you know the bible was written by a ton of different people over a long period?
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You have to assume you're right for you to be right.
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In a sense, although you don't have to assume that I'm right in the first way to know that I'm right in the second way, if you already decided on your own that God is real.
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DeProg, you don't have to get involved unless you want to. I don't think their going to listen. Unless they have an open mind, they just wont listen, and just keep circling around to where's your proof outside of the Bible? If I remember correctly, Cloud said that that was Dogma? Anyway, on the stubornness topic, I have lyrics from As I Lay Dying's song "The Sound of Truth"

[Chorus]
We have all heard what we wanted to hear
"Truth" that sounds right to our ears

[Chorus]

[Verse 1]
But what wisdom is there within us
To live based on the feeling of our hearts
How many times has instinct let us down
Never to be thought through
Never to be questioned
Say what you really mean
When your ambition calls you (calls you)
For what use is there, is there in praying
If you will only hear what you want to hear?

[Chorus]

[Verse 2]
We speak of fighting to resist this world
But what about the battle within us?
If we have chosen to live against the grain
Then why are we all facing the same way?
There is no difference between us and them
If we all blindly seek truth from sentiments

[Chorus] 3x

These lyrics speak volumes in my opinion. I'm not doing a good job explaining what I'm trying to say, so you'll have to excuse me. DeProg has good points. Also, in regards to where's our proof outside of the Bible, where's your proof? Our proof IS the Bible. The number one best selling book of all time. Still is number one, they just don't count it anymore.
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Point A: We have no proof he exists
Point B: You have no proof he doesn't
Point C: When it's a discussion to this degree, I don't think anybody is going to change their mind
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09:05 PM
Point A: We have no proof he exists
Point B: You have no proof he doesn't
Point C: When it's a discussion to this degree, I don't think anybody is going to change their mind

QFT, QFMFT.
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^ Satisfactory end of topic.
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we have no proof santa exists
we have no proof he DOESNT exist
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You have no reason to assume he exists. The only reason you'd believe in him is if you think he exists. It's entirely circular the whole way through.
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Except there aren't even people who dress up as him and give you candy. What the hell's the point?
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