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Religion, Science... Beliefs ok?!; They exist, get over it.
Topic Started: Mar 13 2009, 10:16 PM (1,879 Views)
Timmeh
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On a related subject, crucifixion BSDM is super hot.
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At least do some research before attempting to dispell something.
It would be impossible to carry the cross while having your feet nailed to it.
I've always read it as having the nails through his hands. NOWHERE have I heard they were through his forearms. (And I have done my research time and time again.) PLEASE give me your source saying the nails went through his forearms.
It is not impossible to nail them through your hands, it would not tear. (Did that lady who had octuplets pop? No...) Skin is flexible and durable and muscles clap on to anything that pierces them. It's easier to shove a sword through someone than to pull it out, the muscles tighten around it to prevent hemmorhaging. Plus they took him down very quickly after death, which was very unusual.
Most of the time the criminals who were hung at the cross didn't even have nails piercing them, they were just roped there until they starved or the stones people threw at them killed them.

I have no clue where the whole crucifix jewelry thing got started, or why.
It's an archaic torture and killing device. I certainly don't want to wear one. (Unless the vampires come.)

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Let's not limit this topic to Christian religions, it's such an old battle and so pointless in the long run.
If either side ever gains definitive proof of their side being truth, the other side is just going to go "Oh... well, we're just going to ignore that and continue on."

We haven't had much discussion on science, and there are hundred upon thousands religions out there... Buddhism, Tauism, Gnosticism, Shinto, Confucianism, Sikism...
Seriously, there is so much more out there than you know.
If you don't know much about a religion and google isn't helping you much, ask me. I've studied so many religions that most Americans have never even heard of.
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Birds fall from the window ledge above mine. Then they flap their wings at the last second. I can see
their dead weight just dropping like stones or small loaves of bread past my window all the time.
But unless I get up, walk across the room and peer down below, I don't see their last second curves
toward a horizontal flight. Now due to a construct in my mind that makes their falling and their flight
symbolic of my entire existence, it becomes important for me to get up and see their last second
curves toward flight. It's almost as if my life will fall unless I see their ascent.
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im going to skip everything im think right now to say...

MORMONS

and

SCIENTOLOGISTS
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Mormons: Like Christians, except they get up at 5 and apologize for being human then (Kidding, Christian people. And Mormon people as well).

Scientologists: Crazy people that I know little about. What I do know about their religion (MANswers, anyone?) helps me confirm that anyone believing in Scientology are crazier than most people in Asylums.

In case you couldn't tell, Mormons seem like Christians to me, except they worship God (or whoever they worship...I don't really know. Mormon friends don't tell me/I don't ask) really early in the morning. I don't really know if they worship then, but I mean, c'mon! Why else would you get up that early for a religion unless it was to worship said religion's deity?

I also think Scientologists are nuts. If I ever met one on the street, I would most likely make it my life goal to avoid that person for the rest of my days (and nights, for you jokers out there :P).
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scientologists believe we are all infected with alien souls
souls that were thrown into a volcano then brainwashed
by xenu, big bad alien guy

morons believe some guy went into the woods and found some golden plates that nobody else ever saw
shoved his face in a hat with a rock and read the plates


ok actually
look up southpark morons and southpark scientology on youtube, that should tell you everything <_<
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I love your misspelling for Mormon, CMC.
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Timmeh,Mar 19 2009
05:06 PM
Pomegranate, your argument makes no sense. The fact that we can't escape our ancestors' decisions is the polar opposite of free will.

Obviously nobody has ever harmed you >.>

we are forced other people's decisions on us all the time. Take this example: Someone chooses to murder you. You die as a consequence of his actions not yours.
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Pomegranate,Mar 22 2009
12:21 PM
Timmeh,Mar 19 2009
05:06 PM
Pomegranate, your argument makes no sense. The fact that we can't escape our ancestors' decisions is the polar opposite of free will.

Obviously nobody has ever harmed you >.>

we are forced other people's decisions on us all the time. Take this example: Someone chooses to murder you. You die as a consequence of his actions not yours.

That has to be one of the worst examples I've ever seen.

Sorry, Pom. It's just bad.

I also think you missed Tim's point about free will. He's referring to our ancestors, not people now.
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s123i68,Mar 22 2009
07:40 PM
Pomegranate,Mar 22 2009
12:21 PM
Timmeh,Mar 19 2009
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Pomegranate, your argument makes no sense. The fact that we can't escape our ancestors' decisions is the polar opposite of free will.

Obviously nobody has ever harmed you >.>

we are forced other people's decisions on us all the time. Take this example: Someone chooses to murder you. You die as a consequence of his actions not yours.

That has to be one of the worst examples I've ever seen.

Sorry, Pom. It's just bad.

I also think you missed Tim's point about free will. He's referring to our ancestors, not people now.

Ok, then what about this:

I'm a baby. My mom has an abortion. I die because of her (ANCESTOR) decision, not mine. :P
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well i guess he has a point, however if my ancestor decided to throw themselves of a bridge some 200 years ago then I really am not affected by that action

also, don't try to change the topic because you're a pro-lifer
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You're still missing the point, I believe. Now, I'm not Tim, but it's not hard to see that he's pointing the finger at Adam and Eve and how (according to Christianity) we're still paying for their one mistake.

Hell, Tim practically makes it impossible to interpret what he's saying there by directly referring to Pom's post about Adam and Eve sinning due to the idea that God gave them free will.

Unless, of course, you were joking, in which I'm completely oblivious.

Tim, get in here and bitch-slap me for missing your point (unless I didn't...then no slapping is required).
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Syntax Man,Mar 22 2009
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well i guess he has a point, however if my ancestor decided to throw themselves of a bridge some 200 years ago then I really am not affected by that action

also, don't try to change the topic because you're a pro-lifer

if your ancestor threw themself over a bridge it's possible that you wouldn't even be born

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That has to be one of the worst examples I've ever seen.

Sorry, Pom. It's just bad.

i dont see how it's a bad example... can you tell me why you think that?
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Well I was dripping with sarcasm since free will doesn't exist in the first place, but if we assume it does, the idea is that free will exists in EVERY PERSON, not in a race. Yes, we are affected by other people's decisions. How the fuck is that relevant to our own free will? Did God give Adam and Eve free will, or every human being?

Conveniently, it's a nice segue into a neat thought experiment about free will:
Suppose everyone's actions depend on other people's free will choices. For example, I could not choose to sin if Adam and Eve had not chosen to neat of the tree of knowledge of good and evil. I could not choose to make this post if my mother had not chosen to have me (I was an accident, actually, so that's not really valid, but whatever), and my mother could not have chosen to have me if her husband had not chosen to ask her out.
If we draw this infinitely complex web of choice dependencies, we'll notice that a pathetic number of choices we make is actually our own choice. All of our choices are only possible because of a choice by someone else.

To expand this to more general terms, every choice of ours depends on something else that happens in the universe. Usually a lot of things. If we, again, draw a cause->effect chain, or in this case web, of things that happen, we'll see that every single choice we have ever made depends on one event. In science, we call that the Big Bang. In religion, we call it Creation. Regardless of whether you believe in God or not, I think it's absolutely ridiculous to believe free will exists.
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What Tim said.
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