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Religion, Science... Beliefs ok?!; They exist, get over it.
Topic Started: Mar 13 2009, 10:16 PM (1,882 Views)
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RetroX,Mar 16 2009
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Plus, religion has fueled things like racism, etc.  I think that it in itself is bearable, but the madness it has caused is unbearable.

Non-religion has also fueled such things.

However, it did spawn the Crusades, which we are still upset about today (It's actually against the Bible. xD Idiots.)
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Plus, religion has fueled things like racism, etc.  I think that it in itself is bearable, but the madness it has caused is unbearable.

also hatred of homosexuals

"I dont hate them, GOD hates them"
-some stupid woman in an anti-gay rally
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The Bible being wrong is nothing shocking.
It's obvious it has been altered throughout the years. Numerous translations and the church altering and skewing it for the purpose of power is common (but seemingly denied) knowledge.
During the Christian Dark Ages (AKA Middle ages and Medieval Times) the church was the government, they altered their holy text for their benefit, forcing people to pay money for their sins. It wasn't until Martin Luther posted the 99 Thesis, basically telling the church to shove it up their ass, did anything change. And DID it ever change; after that was the Renaissance period.

Every person reads it how they want it. It's how we have so many sects of religion in the first place, it's how lunatics create societies where boys are castrated at twelve and girls of the same age get married to forty- year old men. (If you will kindly remember back to the colony in Colorado a few years ago.)

I love religion. It gives people hope and love and inspiration to live, knowing that life will end in death anyway.

I hate organized religion. Churches being companies, making money off people, bringing drama into their lives, starting wars. Organized religion is a disgusting slime.
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It wasn't until Martin Luther posted the 99 Thesis, basically telling the church to shove it up their butt, did anything change. And DID it ever change; after that was the Renaissance period.

It was the 95 thesis. (lol history class haunts me). Also, most organized religion does suck. I give you that.
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Also, most organized religion does suck.

change most to all and i agree 104%
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Organized religion can be pretty much the entire blame for the world's problems.
It's an evil that hinders scientific development and punishes independent thought, the altered Bible (Specifically the old testament.) teaches blind submission; to mindlessly give yourself to God's will and the church's ruling.
All throughout history are countless examples of religious masses causing war and destruction in the name of their god.
The Crusades, The Salem Witch Trials, September 11th, Everything that is going on in Israel for the past 2000+ years.

The church arrested Galileo for defying their rule and daring to think differently. Ben Stiller's "Expelled" showed us that people lose their jobs and are thrown in jail just for teaching evolution. The church even holds back scientific progress by controlling the government and banning stem cell research.
Just think, the blind, the paralyzed, the limbless could all overcome their handicaps with the possibilities of stem cells. For what? An egg that 99.999->% will not even be used except to be bled out? They don't even need that anymore, they can use your bone marrow! But Big Religion still won't have any of it.
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their dead weight just dropping like stones or small loaves of bread past my window all the time.
But unless I get up, walk across the room and peer down below, I don't see their last second curves
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ah but infinity you see the reason they don't want these people healed is because god made them handicapped to test their faith or some bullshit like that, the faithful can come up with a reason for anything that's one thing I've learned from this topic
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owwwww
i swallow some spliters from a toothpick
and now my whole shit is friggen killin me
i swear if im bleeding internally or some shit and die
then end up finding out religion is right
im coming back from hell to kick you ASSES xD


but in all seriousness
i feel like imma pass out rom pain
doesnt hurt as much when i keep pressure on it though
so no more typing
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Secondly, if God created the universe, then why is there so much scientific data that is constantly being found?  I'm sure that God wouldn't want to create something that would contradict the fact that he created humans and the universe, and a superior being would surely not make such a mistake.


I went over that first part already. It's too bad the evidence doesn't even really say that God didn't make everyone, just says that he did it in a different way.

so you admit the bible is wrong
earth != 5000 years old

Nowhere in the bible does it say how old the earth is.
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lol
reread it
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What about dinosaurs?
What about electricity?
What about disease?
What about 'magic'?
The list never ends.
Yeah, excuses are made with no thought put into them. Oh well.
I don't make excuses, if I don't know the answer I'm not afraid to say "I don't know." I wish more people had the balls to say that. (No one on this forum as far as I know needs to grow a set, I'm mainly poking at conservatives.)

And no, it doesn't really say how old the Earth is, it sort of dates humans back as far as it can to like... Noah. And that's only those really spiffy Bibles that do all the work for you (Read: Biased) and have two page long footnotes baby-walking you through everything.
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Birds fall from the window ledge above mine. Then they flap their wings at the last second. I can see
their dead weight just dropping like stones or small loaves of bread past my window all the time.
But unless I get up, walk across the room and peer down below, I don't see their last second curves
toward a horizontal flight. Now due to a construct in my mind that makes their falling and their flight
symbolic of my entire existence, it becomes important for me to get up and see their last second
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well since it says the earth was created, and then man like... same day
yeeeeeeah
it basically dates to around 5kish years ago
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One specific guy claimed to have calculated it and said it was around 6k years ago.

And if God did create man and the earth in the same day, what I said earlier about him being able to create evidence of a past that didn't occur--thus effectively rendering the truth insignificant to anything but belief--still works to explain that away.
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Heh...I remember this one movie based on a play. Inherit the Wind, I think it was called. Anyway, some guy gets put on trial in Tennessee for teaching evolution (mind you, this is, like, a 60's movie or something. Black and White). So when this guy's on trial, the guy's lawyer asks this religious guy (who's under oath) how old he thinks the Earth is. The religious guy, being die-hard christian, supposes that the Earth is 5k-6k old.

So the lawyer, having read the bible, argues that the Earth could potentially be billions of years old, because the sun wasn't created until the second day (not sure on that. Point is, sun wasn't created on the first day), which means that the first day that God spent creating Earth and the Universe and all that is an undefined amount of time, which essentially means that that first day could have been 6 seconds long, or 6 billion years long.

So the guy totally disproved the "Earth is 5k-6k years old" argument that some Christians have by using their own bible against him. Well at this point, the religious guy cracks, and starts naming off the books of the bible, and he's totally tripping, yelling it out in this courtroom.

The point is, I lol'd when that Christian guy tripped balls when he was proven wrong by his own bible.

Inherit the Wind is a good book/play/movie/whatever. People should check that sucker out.
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