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Religion, Science... Beliefs ok?!; They exist, get over it.
Topic Started: Mar 13 2009, 10:16 PM (1,883 Views)
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CMC, why do make me laugh at what some consider a tragedy?

I lol'd at your story, in other words.
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or my other fun time
went to get the mail and a truck is speeding down the road so fast it was on me before i could blink, me watching too many ninja movies tried to jump on the hood
this guy slams his brakes, my feet meet his hood
i end up in a BACK FLIP
heels hit the ground, then my back, then my head
what i saw...
car, sky, ground, car, sky, stars

guy was freakin the fuck out
thought he killed me

end result, i dont get the mail anymore
and am a LUCKY BASTARD
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How do you go through a car? Quantum leap?
Regardless, "should have killed you" is a question for the engineers who made the car you were in and for the doctors who treated you. That you were emotionally shaken and glad to be alive is hardly a miracle.

Mason... let's play Fact vs Fiction.
"was killed along with 7 other soldiers" vs "The grenade blew up killing him but sparing all of his soldiers from death." + "none had life threatening wounds"
Yeah, he saved all of them except that almost half of them died. That's a really crooked thing to say, and horribly disrespectful to the deceased.
"During the ambush, a hand grenade was thrown at the force" vs "Suddenly, someone tossed a hand grenade out of one of the windows above them"
Embellishment to make the story sound better...
"He remained alive long enough to recite the 'Shma Yisrael' prayer" vs "as it hit the ground, Klein ... cried out shouting"
More lying to impress the audience.
"He remained alive long enough to recite the “Shma Yisrael” prayer, and to instruct his communications man to radio back that he had been killed." vs "called upon the living God and gave Him glory seconds before he died saving his comrades"
Implication that the grenade blast killed him instantly. Which is a lie, again.

Side note: No one proofread it ("Schema" is not the proper spelling of the Hebrew word, "He" is capitalized in reference to the Colonel and not God at one point, sentence 1 of paragraph 3 is poorly formed), so it's safe to assume it wasn't fact-checked either.

And not to be cliche, but I don't eat shit-covered chocolate. I don't care how many bullshit stories that site has, if it's not trustworthy, it's not trustworthy. Period.
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There are only a few things I will say in this topic, because I know that if I post too much it will get out of hand.

For starters, I respect religious people; I simply just find it so illogical. If you run around rainbows waiting for fairies and pots of gold, you will be found as a complete lunatic, yet if you don't believe that some God created you and the universe you live in, and don't warship them, you are shunned by society. That's hypocritical and illogical IMO.

Secondly, if God created the universe, then why is there so much scientific data that is constantly being found? I'm sure that God wouldn't want to create something that would contradict the fact that he created humans and the universe, and a superior being would surely not make such a mistake.

Another thing is to simply make people feel better about other people dying. Personally, I think that the atheist way is more correct, and that people simply stop existence (well, their body is still there, but their actual body function stops working and their body decays). Saying that you relive after death is a nice feeling, but really, immortality would be a cruel thing, and it has caused tons of people to think that mistakes and bad choices will go away in an afterlife, when they really are stuck with everyone else.

Plus, religion has fueled things like racism, etc. I think that it in itself is bearable, but the madness it has caused is unbearable.

Plus, it does not matter if a person is homosexual or not - they can still contribute to society, whether it is in the form of babies or not. You don't complain if a heterosexual dies and doesn't have babies (by choice), but if a homosexual is not able to have babies, you complain? What is the problem?

Also, another thing - yes, humans as a species weren't designed to uses the resources as they are currently. However, the fact that we do more in our lives than find food is astounding and makes us at a higher level of intelligence. Intelligence can be measured in several ways, resourcefulness being one of them, and recreation being another. If the human race can do both of those things, then it is very intelligent, and that is a good thing - why complain?
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I really don't care to explain the car thing, because quite frankly, it isn't explainable.

One that is more so though:
I was like 7, and swam to the bottom of the pool (14 ft, mind you) I ran out of air going down, and as a last attempt pushed off the bottom. I made it about half-way, and couldn't make it any further, and then I was pushed up to the surface, yet there was nobody even near me.

Write it off as whatever you want, but for me it's a miracle.
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I'd love to have this topic become </thread> but thats not happening I guess. I believe what Zurg is saying is true, because lots of crazy stuff has happened to people I know, and me. Also to (attempt) at explaining Zurgs car thing, you think he went to the hospital. I think he means the car went THROUGH him.
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What is with this </thread> nonsense? You're not obligated to participate in the discussion if you don't want to.
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Idk thats what DeProg and CMC said. I'll still participate.
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There was a day when I was questioning my beliefs on existence in general.
That was the same day I got hit by a minivan.
I don't question God's existence anymore. It pisses him off, and humiliates me.
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Birds fall from the window ledge above mine. Then they flap their wings at the last second. I can see
their dead weight just dropping like stones or small loaves of bread past my window all the time.
But unless I get up, walk across the room and peer down below, I don't see their last second curves
toward a horizontal flight. Now due to a construct in my mind that makes their falling and their flight
symbolic of my entire existence, it becomes important for me to get up and see their last second
curves toward flight. It's almost as if my life will fall unless I see their ascent.
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Under The Ashes,Mar 16 2009
08:53 PM
I'd love to have this topic become </thread> but thats not happening I guess. I believe what Zurg is saying is true, because lots of crazy stuff has happened to people I know, and me. Also to (attempt) at explaining Zurgs car thing, you think he went to the hospital. I think he means the car went THROUGH him.

Exactly.

That's why I said it's inexplainable. I was unscratched.
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People jump over cars all the time, if that's what you mean. Not getting hit by a car isn't really a miracle.

Also people float. Dead bodies rise to the surface too.
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also when underwater
the surface looks further away then it really is
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Timmeh,Mar 16 2009
09:42 PM
People jump over cars all the time, if that's what you mean. Not getting hit by a car isn't really a miracle.

Also people float. Dead bodies rise to the surface too.

Float =/= Push. I know the difference when I feel it.

Jumping over Car/Not getting hit =/= going through a car.
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RetroX,Mar 16 2009
02:21 PM
Secondly, if God created the universe, then why is there so much scientific data that is constantly being found?  I'm sure that God wouldn't want to create something that would contradict the fact that he created humans and the universe, and a superior being would surely not make such a mistake.


I went over that first part already. It's too bad the evidence doesn't even really say that God didn't make everyone, just says that he did it in a different way.

RetroX,Mar 16 2009
02:21 PM
Saying that you relive after death is a nice feeling, but really, immortality would be a cruel thing, and it has caused tons of people to think that mistakes and bad choices will go away in an afterlife, when they really are stuck with everyone else.


If people do cease to exist upon death, they won't have the ability to give a crap what their life was like.

RetroX,Mar 16 2009
02:21 PM
Plus, religion has fueled things like racism, etc.  I think that it in itself is bearable, but the madness it has caused is unbearable.

Non-religion has also fueled such things.
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DeProgrammer,Mar 16 2009
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RetroX,Mar 16 2009
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Secondly, if God created the universe, then why is there so much scientific data that is constantly being found?  I'm sure that God wouldn't want to create something that would contradict the fact that he created humans and the universe, and a superior being would surely not make such a mistake.


I went over that first part already. It's too bad the evidence doesn't even really say that God didn't make everyone, just says that he did it in a different way.

so you admit the bible is wrong
earth != 5000 years old
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