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korea!; like a really bad war movie
Topic Started: Mar 9 2009, 02:22 AM (1,325 Views)
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Timmeh,Mar 11 2009
06:04 PM
A baby is a baby, yes. But a fetus is not a baby, hence the distinction.

Zurg, Crysis still looks like Crysis more than it looks like real life. Nice try.

a fetus is a unit of life.

if you took a crysalizing caterpillar and smashed it but said "wait... it was just crysalizing... it doesn't count" you would still be extinguishing that life.
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Egg cells are units of life too.
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Timmeh,Mar 11 2009
09:08 PM
Egg cells are units of life too.

OH SNAP!

But, in that context, does that mean that Sperm are also units of life? In a sense, I suppose.
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millions of my unborn children died on your daughter's face last night


MURDER!


also birthcontrol would be "murder"
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Once again, OH SNAP!

Case in point, people against abortion are morons. :P (Kidding, obviously. You do have some good arguments, actually. I'm inclined to agree. You guys kinda have, y'know, morals on your side. But I'm for the choice of abortion. Probably not gonna change, either).
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im all for abortion, why over populate?

also, stem cell research, hells yeah!

also me and a friend want to go to the teen clinic and planned parenting and ask if they sell coat hangars
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Are fetuses alive? No.

Would they be without direct interference? Yes.

Would the millions of sperm you ejaculate have become alive without direct interference? No.

Crappy analogy time: By killing some random stranger, there is an infinitesimal chance that he could one day cure cancer. But you can't be charged with the death of all subsequent cancer victims because of that (so the sperm argument doesn't exactly fly). However, if you somehow knew that the person was going to grow up to cure cancer (being from the future and all >_>), you would be 100% responsible for the deaths of the cancer victims.

But I'm all for cancer; why overpopulate?
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The egg cells of a sexually active teenage girl would become a fetus if we didn't interfere with condoms. Does that mean condoms are as bad as abortion, by your logic?
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That's not so much interference as it is a preemptive choice to not start the process. "Preventing someone from existing" would entail that if you don't do anything, the person is going to come into existence by default.
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But you're arguing the semantics of what constitutes the beginning of "the process". I could argue that sex is the beginning of the process, not conception. Is the morning after pill too late into the process as defined by you?
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Heh, good point. Though sex doesn't always result in birth on its own, and conception does (barring exceptions which are irrelevant in this context), which is why I would consider that the start.
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072,Mar 12 2009
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Heh, good point. Though sex doesn't always result in birth on its own, and conception does (barring exceptions which are irrelevant in this context), which is why I would consider that the start.

Bad 072, being off topic! Bad!

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How exactly DID we get on this topic?
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Condoms during days 10 to 15 of the menstrual cycle, then :P

It makes sense, it's just not substantive enough to base any morals on, in my opinion. Conception results in birth a lot and sometimes doesn't, unprotected sex at the right time results in birth a lot but slightly less. Therefore, we shouldn't allow abortions but should allow condoms.
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okay i have another anti-abortion arguement.

if someone kills a pregnant person that person is often charged with 2 counts of murder, one for the mother, one for the fetus.

however, when the mother kills the fetus it doesn't count...
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say a young girl (15-16)
is raped and gets preggo


i think you see where im going with this


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we are WAY off topic <_<

good catch Zurg xD
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