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Topic Started: Aug 5 2006, 10:46 PM (3,064 Views)
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Getting dangerously off topic here, boys

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if we hadnt killed their natural predators in the first place.

But Red, you're missing the point. We've already messed up the natural cycle and right now there's nothing you can do about it. Hunting may not do nature's job as eficiently and effectively, but it's better than letting those game animals explode in huge numbers and then probably die out, causing a massive gap in the food chian.

I know we've already fucked it up, but i dont beleive we're doing a good job with population control. We're killing too many of the predator and prey animals. It's habitat destruction that's killing the ones that arent in protected areas (many of which are for hunting). I beleive hunting isnt helping, because in many places, we're only saving them to kill more. If we'd just lay off killing wolves, bears, and other major predators, then within a couple decades, the cycle would fix itself (if we have that long).
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OR half of the human population could be wiped out by AIDS. Remember, we are animals too.
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Gold Leader,Sep 5 2006
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Getting dangerously off topic here, boys

Yeah, sorry, Daz.

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if we hadnt killed their natural predators in the first place.

But Red, you're missing the point. We've already messed up the natural cycle and right now there's nothing you can do about it. Hunting may not do nature's job as eficiently and effectively, but it's better than letting those game animals explode in huge numbers and then probably die out, causing a massive gap in the food chian.

I know we've already fucked it up, but i dont beleive we're doing a good job with population control. We're killing too many of the predator and prey animals. It's habitat destruction that's killing the ones that arent in protected areas (many of which are for hunting). I beleive hunting isnt helping, because in many places, we're only saving them to kill more. If we'd just lay off killing wolves, bears, and other major predators, then within a couple decades, the cycle would fix itself (if we have that long).

Yes, then those predators would live close to us, which grizzlies don't like to do, and they'd begin to prey on us again!

In case you don't know, such predators ruin livestock. As bad as the coyotes that are so prevalent over here are, a wolf is much worse. A coyote typically weighs about 35-40 pounds, has a fairly weak hide, and is usually dipatched with a .22 centerfire cartridge or #4 or larger birdshot.

A wolf on the other hand, weighs about 80-120 pounds, as much as most doe deer. Also, the wolf has extremely tough hide. For wolves, you'd be insane to use less cartridge than a .243 on them, and I'd stick to my .270. For shotguns, along the lines of #4 buckshot or larger would be appropriate. Wolves, unlike coyotes, hunt in packs almost all the time (coyotes do so on and off), and are each the easy equivalent of three coyotes. When these pests get loose, they wreak havoc on pets, livestock, and sometimes human life itself.

Thankfully, we have driven wolves to the truly wild areas of America. If you want them back, I'll turn them loose in your backyard first, and ask if you still want them after they've killed your pets and made the place their own. We have naturally taken their place, and they are no longer needed where we live. Unlike deer, wolves and coyotes kill animals that do nothing to them (they've got to eat, but so do we) and they threaten us and our livelihoods.

If ever I do see one, I will do my best to acquaint it with my .270.
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If ever I do see one, I will do my best to acquaint it with my .270.

If it doesn't get to your face first.
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MetroidSlayer17,Sep 5 2006
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If ever I do see one, I will do my best to acquaint it with my .270.

If it doesn't get to your face first.

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Shows about what you know about animals.

Animals attacking people is a rare thing in and of itself, but they sure as heck wouldn't attack a large male carrying a "boomstick" (and yes, the smarter animals recognize firearms for what they can do). If it does, it would have to outrun my bullet, which it can't do. Even if I was without a firearm, it wouldn't appreciate my Gerber knife splitting its skull open.
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MetroidSlayer17,Sep 5 2006
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REDHALBERD,Sep 5 2006
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Gold Leader,Sep 5 2006
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Getting dangerously off topic here, boys

Yeah, sorry, Daz.

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if we hadnt killed their natural predators in the first place.

But Red, you're missing the point. We've already messed up the natural cycle and right now there's nothing you can do about it. Hunting may not do nature's job as eficiently and effectively, but it's better than letting those game animals explode in huge numbers and then probably die out, causing a massive gap in the food chian.

I know we've already fucked it up, but i dont beleive we're doing a good job with population control. We're killing too many of the predator and prey animals. It's habitat destruction that's killing the ones that arent in protected areas (many of which are for hunting). I beleive hunting isnt helping, because in many places, we're only saving them to kill more. If we'd just lay off killing wolves, bears, and other major predators, then within a couple decades, the cycle would fix itself (if we have that long).

Yes, then those predators would live close to us, which grizzlies don't like to do, and they'd begin to prey on us again!

In case you don't know, such predators ruin livestock. As bad as the coyotes that are so prevalent over here are, a wolf is much worse. A coyote typically weighs about 35-40 pounds, has a fairly weak hide, and is usually dipatched with a .22 centerfire cartridge or #4 or larger birdshot.

A wolf on the other hand, weighs about 80-120 pounds, as much as most doe deer. Also, the wolf has extremely tough hide. For wolves, you'd be insane to use less cartridge than a .243 on them, and I'd stick to my .270. For shotguns, along the lines of #4 buckshot or larger would be appropriate. Wolves, unlike coyotes, hunt in packs almost all the time (coyotes do so on and off), and are each the easy equivalent of three coyotes. When these pests get loose, they wreak havoc on pets, livestock, and sometimes human life itself.

Thankfully, we have driven wolves to the truly wild areas of America. If you want them back, I'll turn them loose in your backyard first, and ask if you still want them after they've killed your pets and made the place their own. We have naturally taken their place, and they are no longer needed where we live. Unlike deer, wolves and coyotes kill animals that do nothing to them (they've got to eat, but so do we) and they threaten us and our livelihoods.

If ever I do see one, I will do my best to acquaint it with my .270.

You know what?? If predators were preying on us again, i'd be damn happy. Because they're be controlling the one population that's unbalanancing this fucking planet. Such predators ruin livestock?? Fuck livestock. Before we developed, we didnt have fucking livestock anyway. Im not saying we should starve, and not raise food for our people, but we're only gonna lose extra money that's going to selfish company owners, and some excess food anyway.

I no, i dont want to flame, but please dont offend me with your statistics of how to kill wildlife. I'd rather see a human shot over an endangered species. And Wolves reaking havoc on pets and all our other shit is natural. We have a right to defend ourselves. But going out and hunting them is selfish.

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Unlike deer, wolves and coyotes kill animals that do nothing to them (they've got to eat, but so do we) and they threaten us and our livelihoods.

This one was particularly amusing. Animals that do nothing to them?? We kill millions of cows a year, and they dont do shit to us. We hunt wales that dont do shit to us. We kill animals that almost never kill us, and many times (like your barbaric hunting) for sport.

Im not saying i wouldnt defend myself against attack from a bear, but the way i see it, we should have no fucking reason to even encounter a bear.
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If we have no reason to encounter a bear, why do you wish to reintroduce them into the areas where we live?

You've grudgingly said that hunting helps wildlife, now you are disowning it and calling it barbaric. If you are to dense to see this, let me spell it out.

A BULLET KILLS QUICKLY, NATURE DOES NOT.

A wolf is a much more barbaric hunter than I am.

Seriously, get your act together. Don't argue unless you have a REAL point that you haven't already contradicted.


Also, deer do nothing to us? They eat our crops, and they kill trees with their rubs. Those things don't affect wolves, which aren't omnivores, but they affect us.

Hey, if you'd rather have a human shot over an endangered species, I guess I'll shoot you, given that we are completely different. I, a person with the not-so-common common sense, am endangered, with you, a person without this sense, taking over.

This is exemplification incarnate of my point earlier- you environmentalists would rather have animals survive than people. You denied this at first, and now you are defending it.

Don't take this as mini-modding, this is just my personal advice to you. Quit flip-flopping your (already ridiculous) ideas, or I won't even waste breath responding to you anymore.

EDIT: And if some predator thinks it can prey on me, it had better be tougher than a 300 Winchester Magnum, and I can guarantee you that it isn't. One trigger pull and our A-Bolt could put down an elephant (bad idea, but Karamojo Bell killed hundreds with a 7x57, a lesser cartridge).
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If we have no reason to encounter a bear, why do you wish to reintroduce them into the areas where we live? 

You've grudgingly said that hunting helps wildlife, now you are disowning it and calling it barbaric.  If you are to dense to see this, let me spell it out. 

A BULLET KILLS QUICKLY, NATURE DOES NOT.

A wolf is a much more barbaric hunter than I am.

Seriously, get your act together.  Don't argue unless you have a REAL point that you haven't already contradicted.


Also, deer do nothing to us?  They eat our crops, and they kill trees with their rubs.  Those things don't affect wolves, which aren't omnivores, but they affect us. 

Hey, if you'd rather have a human shot over an endangered species, I guess I'll shoot you, given that we are completely different.  I, a person with the not-so-common common sense, am endangered, with you, a person without this sense, taking over. 

This is exemplification incarnate of my point earlier- you environmentalists would rather have animals survive than people.  You denied this at first, and now you are defending it.

Don't take this as mini-modding, this is just my personal advice to you.  Quit flip-flopping your (already ridiculous) ideas, or I won't even waste breath responding to you anymore.

EDIT:  And if some predator thinks it can prey on me, it had better be tougher than a 300 Winchester Magnum, and I can guarantee you that it isn't.  One trigger pull and our A-Bolt could put down an elephant (bad idea, but Karamojo Bell killed hundreds with a 7x57, a lesser cartridge).

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You've grudgingly said that hunting helps wildlife, now you are disowning it and calling it barbaric.  If you are to dense to see this, let me spell it out. 

I said that hunting shouldnt have interfered with the natural cycle. Like i said, if we hadnt killed the natural predators, ther'd be no reason to control their population.
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If we have no reason to encounter a bear, why do you wish to reintroduce them into the areas where we live? 

News flash. BEARS LIVED THERE FIRST!!!!! We fucking stole their habitat, and now your saying it's ours.
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A BULLET KILLS QUICKLY, NATURE DOES NOT.

A bullet is a cruel weapon made by man. Nature is a cruel weapon made by god (if your creationist), or the earth.
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A wolf is a much more barbaric hunter than I am.

A wolf doesnt enjoy shooting animals, and watching them die for fun/sport. A wolf only kills when it has to, and kills only as much as it needs.
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Seriously, get your act together.  Don't argue unless you have a REAL point that you haven't already contradicted.

Im not contradicting myself, just applying different points to different arguements.

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Also, deer do nothing to us?  They eat our crops, and they kill trees with their rubs.  Those things don't affect wolves, which aren't omnivores, but they affect us. 

Deers eat crops, naturally, and i dont give a fuck who they belong to. Fence in your damn crops if you dont want deer to eat them. Deer need to eat. We shouldnt have farmed the land they were eating from in the first place.

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Hey, if you'd rather have a human shot over an endangered species, I guess I'll shoot you, given that we are completely different.  I, a person with the not-so-common common sense, am endangered, with you, a person without this sense, taking over. 

Common sense?? I say your fucking crazy. This fucking enviornment is fucking dying because of fucking selfish human centric people like you. You care about our fucking race which is corrupt and will destroy us. I care about individuals, not people as a whole.

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This is exemplification incarnate of my point earlier- you environmentalists would rather have animals survive than people.  You denied this at first, and now you are defending it.

I didnt deny it. I care much more about the enviornment then people. Fuck people. A couple unselfish people isnt going to save this fucking planet. We've had our time on earth, and i beleive it's only a matter of decades before it comes to an end.
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If we have no reason to encounter a bear, why do you wish to reintroduce them into the areas where we live? 

You've grudgingly said that hunting helps wildlife, now you are disowning it and calling it barbaric.  If you are to dense to see this, let me spell it out. 

A BULLET KILLS QUICKLY, NATURE DOES NOT.

A wolf is a much more barbaric hunter than I am.

Seriously, get your act together.  Don't argue unless you have a REAL point that you haven't already contradicted.


Also, deer do nothing to us?  They eat our crops, and they kill trees with their rubs.  Those things don't affect wolves, which aren't omnivores, but they affect us. 

Hey, if you'd rather have a human shot over an endangered species, I guess I'll shoot you, given that we are completely different.  I, a person with the not-so-common common sense, am endangered, with you, a person without this sense, taking over. 

This is exemplification incarnate of my point earlier- you environmentalists would rather have animals survive than people.  You denied this at first, and now you are defending it.

Don't take this as mini-modding, this is just my personal advice to you.  Quit flip-flopping your (already ridiculous) ideas, or I won't even waste breath responding to you anymore.

EDIT:  And if some predator thinks it can prey on me, it had better be tougher than a 300 Winchester Magnum, and I can guarantee you that it isn't.  One trigger pull and our A-Bolt could put down an elephant (bad idea, but Karamojo Bell killed hundreds with a 7x57, a lesser cartridge).

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You've grudgingly said that hunting helps wildlife, now you are disowning it and calling it barbaric.  If you are to dense to see this, let me spell it out. 

I said that hunting shouldnt have interfered with the natural cycle. Like i said, if we hadnt killed the natural predators, ther'd be no reason to control their population.
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If we have no reason to encounter a bear, why do you wish to reintroduce them into the areas where we live? 

News flash. BEARS LIVED THERE FIRST!!!!! We fucking stole their habitat, and now your saying it's ours.
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A BULLET KILLS QUICKLY, NATURE DOES NOT.

A bullet is a cruel weapon made by man. Nature is a cruel weapon made by god (if your creationist), or the earth.
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A wolf is a much more barbaric hunter than I am.

A wolf doesnt enjoy shooting animals, and watching them die for fun/sport. A wolf only kills when it has to, and kills only as much as it needs.
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Seriously, get your act together.  Don't argue unless you have a REAL point that you haven't already contradicted.

Im not contradicting myself, just applying different points to different arguements.

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Also, deer do nothing to us?  They eat our crops, and they kill trees with their rubs.  Those things don't affect wolves, which aren't omnivores, but they affect us. 

Deers eat crops, naturally, and i dont give a fuck who they belong to. Fence in your damn crops if you dont want deer to eat them. Deer need to eat. We shouldnt have farmed the land they were eating from in the first place.

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Hey, if you'd rather have a human shot over an endangered species, I guess I'll shoot you, given that we are completely different.  I, a person with the not-so-common common sense, am endangered, with you, a person without this sense, taking over. 

Common sense?? I say your fucking crazy. This fucking enviornment is fucking dying because of fucking selfish human centric people like you. You care about our fucking race which is corrupt and will destroy us. I care about individuals, not people as a whole.

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This is exemplification incarnate of my point earlier- you environmentalists would rather have animals survive than people.  You denied this at first, and now you are defending it.

I didnt deny it. I care much more about the enviornment then people. Fuck people. A couple unselfish people isnt going to save this fucking planet. We've had our time on earth, and i beleive it's only a matter of decades before it comes to an end.

We've had our time on Earth, huh? That is for God to decide, not you.

And, for your information, we ARE natural predators. We are what is called the ALPHA predators of Earth.

Also, a bullet is not a weapon. It is what its owner chooses it to be. A car can be a house in the middle of a stormy camping trip. A CD can be used as a signalling mirror. Heck, the pencils in school can be used as weapons. A bullet by itself is a little copper-plated lead object that makes a less effective weapon than a pencil. However, seat it in a primed, powder-filled case, and load it into a firearm, and you have a tool that is good for throwing chunks of metal. A weapon? No. I use my guns more for paper-punching than for punching holes in animals.

Okay, moron, how is a bullet more cruel (or even as cruel) than a wolf's teeth? Like I said, one kills quickly, one does not.

How is the land a bear's if they weren't there first? According to your evolutionary theories, our ancestors were living side by side with bears. Even by my beliefs, Native Americans were there just as long as bears were, so it would be man's land in the first place.

Yes, animals DO enjoy killing. Tell me, have you ever seen a coyote in the wild? The things chase around red foxes JUST to kill them. They kill livestock that they have no intention of eating JUST to kill. I had a pet dog that killed tame ducks JUST to kill them. It never ate an ounce of the meat.


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Stop talking about stupid guns,they aren't that great. Insects are the smartest creatures because they developed the perfect way to never be wiped out. Ants have lived for millions of years and will continue to live for millions of other years. Humans have lived for thousands of years and will probably die out pretty soon so stop thinking you and your gun are invincible.

Back to the topic of our Creator...
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Stop talking about stupid guns,they aren't that great. Insects are the smartest creatures because they developed the perfect way to never be wiped out. Ants have lived for millions of years and will continue to live for millions of other years. Humans have lived for thousands of years and will probably die out pretty soon so stop thinking you and your gun are invincible.

Back to the topic of our Creator...

If you believe in God, how do you believe in the Earth being around for millions of years?

Hey, those ants sure have a great plan, when aerosols can kill them by the hundreds.

Also, have you ever used a gun? Against any other tool, the firearm is THE pre-eminent fighting tool on Earth. Missiles can be more powerful, but are much slower to use. For any threats to my life that animals could pose, I practically AM invincible. No animal on the face of this Earth can kill me when I am armed with my favorite firearm. That is, humans can, but we aren't animals in the first place.

If guns aren't that great, why do they happen to be the most durable, powerful, and, to my eyes, beautiful, things man has ever created? You could spend your life running over my Garand with an eighteen-wheeler, and the truck would break before the rifle. Out of about 2,000 rounds shot through it, our Garand hasn't malfunctioned once. Really, I expect it to be a long time before it does malfunction. What else can that be said of? Has your power ever shorted out, your computer crashed?

Oh, and Red, I didn't get to finish my words with you:

People eat crops, naturally, and I dont give a **** who they belong to. Fence in your **** crops if you dont want people to eat them. People need to eat. Deer shouldn't have lived in the land people were going to be eating from in the first place.

There, I fixed your paragraph, as well as your profanity and second-grader esque spelling. Hey, that is how an "humanist" deer sees it.

Also, genius, fences don't keep deer in or out of an area. A deer can leap over a twenty foot fence with no problem. Bill Gates would go bankrupt trying to fence off any sizeable area from deer.

Hey, you just said that you like individuals but, not all people. However, you like all animals.

If you think humankind is such an affront to animals in their "superiority," why don't you go blow your brains out and quit converting oxygen that (gasp) animals could use, into CO2?
If you have enough of a spine to act on your words, that is exactly what you'd do. You like animals more than people, (and you aren't truly helping them, by the way) and you think you'd be doing them a favor by removing a human from their lives. If you want to help them, go learn what they really are. Not what the Bleeding Heart Press tells you. Go out into the wild and see for yourself. Your contorted, mindless views would quickly change, should you spend a few weeks in Nature. Come back, and tell me that I am wrong then. Until you go and see for yourself, I am done arguing with you.
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As much as I'd really like to jump on in here and make my points, I know that if I do this will escalate far out of control. I believe you should,

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As much as I'd really like to jump on in here and make my points, I know that if I do this will escalate far out of control. I believe you should,

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some people wanna discuss ther opinions and some people might be interested in others opinions
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But if they "express" them too much, then it'll just shut down the thread in the end.
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But if they "express" them too much, then it'll just shut down the thread in the end.

well then thats ther problem...but it could have just as easily been said "your goin a little overboard by expressin your self"...................ther lucky enough to be able to talk about this here...alot of forums ive seen dont allow religious topics...
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