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is jesus real?; wow... alot of pages! O_O
Topic Started: Aug 5 2006, 10:46 PM (3,067 Views)
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Global warming again? Maybe you don't comprehend, but small environmental changes like what is termed "global warming" have been happening forever. In the midst of the American Revolution, there was a summer where many days were about 105 degrees F, in Maryland! Global warming? No. Things have reverted since then, and they will again.

By my "research," if things continued to increase 5 degrees F every year since the 1770's, we'd be dead by now! There's your scientist's "logic" right there.

To parahprase Al Gore, talking to the "scientists" behind his "Inconvenient Truth"-

"Hey, lie if you have to. Just make it where it'll fool people."

Again, that is a paraphrasation, not a true quote. However, it conveys Gore's message clearly.
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Have you even seen an Inconvenient Truth? Its idea of global warming has nothing to do with the Earth slowly heating up at a rate of 5 degrees per year. I suggest you go see that movie before trying to attack it. Sorry if you did see it, it's just that it really doesn't seem like it >_>
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Not the point. In fact, the only part of my argument that the movie entered into was Gore's paraphrasation, and the logic statement, not literally meaning 5 degrees a year.

I was showing that I (or your local drunkard) can do research rooted just as deeply in logic.

I haven't seen it; the title is enough for me. Knowing Gore, all I'd get for watching would be a sore fist from beating it over his pixelated, under-filled cranium :?


The only thing that I have in his defense is that I have never been 100% happy with the Commander in Chief that I lived under (although some I like much more than others.)
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Well, if you haven't seen it, then don't say anything like that about it :P

It's just that, you were saying that the whole idea of the film revolves around that message, so the entire thing is completely false and he's just telling lots of white lies to clean up the environment a little--But moreso implying that that message is actually portrayed in the film. That to me just showed that you hadn't even seen it, which turned out to be true. Just trying to help your arguments >_>

I did think your whole post was against An Inconvenient Truth, though, when it was only the last part, so sorry for misunderstanding that.
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if you actually read the first chapter of the new king james bible youd undertand why we can feel pain...
(adam and eve sinned)
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You did not add an apostrophe to define that it is the person's dialogue, you moron! [|||], you all must be five years old judging by your poor use of grammer!
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Yeah, but the thing is, nobody was talking about feeling pain anywhere. I don't really know who you were talking to there, because the last few posters have definitely read the first chapter of the Bible. Is it too hard to post about what we're actually discussing?
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On a side note- I'm all for preserving the environment, until it gets in the way of people. Not in the way of something like an aristocrat's next pleasure palace, but in the way of things like housing, churches, and utilities.


Being a hunter, I want it to stick around for as long as possible. However, given that that is impossible, I would rather have people live than animals.

That is where fanatical environmentalists get me (I'm not calling anyone here one of them, by the way), by saying things to the effect that we should return nature to the way things naturally were, before Man.

Heck, if they are so fixed on eliminating Humankind, I'd be glad to start with them.

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MetroidSlayer17,Aug 29 2006
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On a side note-  I'm all for preserving the environment, until it gets in the way of people.  Not in the way of something like an aristocrat's next pleasure palace, but in the way of things like housing, churches, and utilities. 

Being a hunter, I want it to stick around for as long as possible.  However, given that that is impossible, I would rather have people live than animals. 

That is where fanatical environmentalists get me (I'm not calling anyone here one of them, by the way), by saying things to the effect that we should return nature to the way things naturally were, before Man. 

Heck, if they are so fixed on eliminating Humankind, I'd be glad to start with them.

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That's actually makes you sound ignorant. That's not what global warming is. Global warming is the unnatural warming of the earth. I havent seen Al gore's movie, but i've seen global warming with my own eyes.

It used to snow in texas, but it's progressively stopped over the course of my 15 year life. When i was about 4, we could get 2 inch snow. For the last 5 years, we've had little to absolutely no snow. And they said due to global warming, it'll probably never snow again.

We have definite proof of global warming, and whether you deny it out of fear, or laziness, it's very real, and is happening. I dont beleive in exterminating the human race, but i do believe in smarter solutions. Such as

Using that shitty Mcdonalds oil as fuel
Making all factories and electronics solar powered
Stop fucking cutting down the rainforest, make recycling absolutly mandatory
having all production controlled by machines

The only reason that global warming isnt being cracked down upon, is because the people in power know they wont be alive to feel the effects. But their children will, but their parents wont be around to be sorry. It's a process of laziness that will exterminate us. I think that Nuclear war will be the earths way of recycling itself. And hopefully, 1 million years from now, whatever's left of the human race will be smarter.

@metroid slayer: Preserve the enviornment, unless it gets in the way of the people??? We need the enviornment, the enviornment woukld be better off without us. People over animals?? Animals were fine until we showed up, but if we died off, absolutely no animals would give a fuck. Being on top means we rely on everthing this planet has to offer, but that doesnt mean we can treat it like our property.

Humans in general are way to selfish, or global warming wouldnt be much of a problem. Hummers cause intense pollution, but why do people buy them??? Because they look cool. We're selfish, we want for ourself, no thinking about the consequences on the enviornment.

In not saying we can be perfectly clean, nor we should try to be. Im just saying that if people in general gave half a damn about the earth, then we wouldnt be doomed like this.
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Ah, the sweet voice of reason. How many times have I said that?

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Humans in general are way to selfish, or global warming wouldnt be much of a problem. Hummers cause intense pollution, but why do people buy them??? Because they look cool. We're selfish, we want for ourself, no thinking about the consequences on the enviornment.


Exactly. People suck because we are selfish, greedy bastards who don't give half a damn about our environment so long as we have money and cool stuff.

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Preserve the enviornment, unless it gets in the way of the people??? We need the enviornment, the enviornment woukld be better off without us. People over animals?? Animals were fine until we showed up, but if we died off, absolutely no animals would give a fuck. Being on top means we rely on everthing this planet has to offer, but that doesnt mean we can treat it like our property.


That is also true. We're dependent on everything else here and in short we are fucking it over, thus fucking ourselves over. And MS, when you say unless it gets in the way of housing, churhes, and utilities, here's my answer: WE HAVE ENOUGH FUCKING HOUSES, CHURCHES, AND FACILITIES. My neighborhood used to be a small, quaint place in suburbia, but as of late retarded contractors have been building these huge three story houses all over the place. Now our small roads are being flooded with cars which shouldn't be there and the stress put on our electric system because of these new developments is even worse. 9/10 storms we have makes us lose power for days because we have too much wiring going around. And about mother nature taking itself back, maybe that hurricane "Katrina" was actually a message to us dipshits: take care of our land (the everglades and wildlife preserves which were there before most of the city was built) or die of stupidity. Personally I couldn't have it any other way. If human kind is to perish in the next 10-50 years then lets just speed up the process and let the universe go on without us. After all, it doesn't need us does it.
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Okay, I don't like how stupid people often are, either. If you think I want more houses, you are wrong. But what to do? Cull babies to eliminate the need? Say "You- have sex with her and have one and only one child. Multiples will be killed." Sure, Big Brother! Lets do our duty!

How such a simple point evades you people can be amazing.


Also, people are just as old as animals in my belief. Agree or disagree however, we are naturally superior to animals. We are smarter and can use tools to make ourselves stronger than any animal on the face of this Earth.

But, just as badly as you say people suck, animals suck just as much. Recently, while trying to kill the crows at my great-grandfather's house, I saw two crows raid a finch nest. Before the parents could return, the crows had killed some of them. Wow, they are so much better than us!

I kill deer swiftly with a bullet to the shoulder. A wolf kills them slowly and excrutiatingly by starting at their hindquarters and eating them alive, guts first. Hey, they are regular gentleman!

Nature isn't kind, nor loving. In fact, nature is the opposite. What isn't in top physical condition dies. By shooting a deer, I would be saving it from dying from starvation due to overgrazing, disease, and being killed by wolves/coyotes when it is old. Nature. I kill, I eat, I live.

That's right. Just as people are overstressing this planet, deer would do the same. In fact, in areas where we have killed off most of their predators, and little hunting is done, deer don't thrive. They suffer. Those that live are stunted, as their own numbers have swelled too much for the land they occupy. Thus, many starve.

You see, all of nature would "suck" should they be put in our position.

EDIT: Maybe you are not thinking clearly or something, but it snowed once in Mississippi when my parents were young (30 years ago) and it hasn't snowed since. Not global warming, given that the temperatures haven't increased. The winter temperatures haven't dropped enough to freeze water into snow, but according to records, it should soon be time for Mississippi to get another snow. That is, summer temperatures have literally stayed the same, but winter hasn't had the chain of events it needs to snow down there.
Global warming isn't slight environmental fluctuations- it is true, permanant warming. If it happens, I will acknowledge it. But, so far, the only proof that I have of its existance is your rantings.

Snowing down here is a rare occurence. That is very unsteady ground you stand on, saying that the abscence of a freak (down south, that is) occurence means that the Earth is warming up.
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I have so much to rebuke here that it isn't even funny.

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Okay, I don't like how stupid people often are, either. If you think I want more houses, you are wrong. But what to do? Cull babies to eliminate the need? Say "You- have sex with her and have one and only one child. Multiples will be killed." Sure, Big Brother! Lets do our duty!


Maybe we should limit our reproduction? Like you said, the deer are multiplying so fast that they run out of resources and die. That's what we are doing right now, isn't it? With all of the divorces and single mothers we are producing a "surplus population," many of whom will die because of two possible outcomes:
1) The mother can't provide for them and they starve, or of course they live in a third world country and starve anyway.
2) Something the human race does as a whole dooms them along with everybody else.
And don't go strutting around saying that I'm pro abortion. Abortion is cold blooded murder, but if we limited offspring we wouldn't have to kill them now would we?

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How such a simple point evades you people can be amazing.


Just because we don't see things your way doesn't mean you're absolutley right.

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Also, people are just as old as animals in my belief. Agree or disagree however, we are naturally superior to animals. We are smarter and can use tools to make ourselves stronger than any animal on the face of this Earth.


Yes, that's true, we are superior, but that doesn't mean we can just ignore them. Think about it: We can be the strongest, smartest creatures on the planet, but what do we do if the animals all die because of us? What do we eat? Do we become vegetarians and die beause we don't get the protein we need?

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But, just as badly as you say people suck, animals suck just as much. Recently, while trying to kill the crows at my great-grandfather's house, I saw two crows raid a finch nest. Before the parents could return, the crows had killed some of them. Wow, they are so much better than us!


I could turn that "missing the point" comment right back at you here. Not once did anyone to my knowledge say that animals were better than us. Yeah, things die, violently and quietly, but that's life. Everyone and everything does it, so it's not like you can gauge anything's importance by saying how "bad" it is. Besides, at least animals and their natural course don't doom everything like we can. Your right, animals aren't smart enough to build atomic bombs. So, in a sense, you must be wrong anyway because human kind can be so much worse than nature.

Yes, nature does suck, all of it, but like you said we are smarter than animals and other aspects of nature. If we just halted being retards for two little minutes we could change all of that because we have the power to do so. Why don't we? Because we're impulsive pricks. We haven't surpassed nature, the sin, the mindless murder and evil. That's what we're fighting against, but to me it seems like we're losing badly.
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Yes, we are losing.

And, I too would like to limit population growth (obviously not by abortion). But think about it. Who is even the President of the United States to tell you and your wife what you can do together? That said, we are very close to the point where such a thing would be completely necessary. Sad, but true.

Really, people just being logical could solve that problem. But, we usually aren't. Restraint is all we need, but so few of us posses it.

I never said that I ignore animals. Really, I help them as much as anyone here by keeping their population under control. Getting up at 4:45 to hunt crows doesn't just happen by accident.

A human dying cleanly by a nuclear blast (that is, not by radiation) is no where near as bad to me as one killed by wolves (on a one to one ration). Wolves don't instantly kill, a nuke does. Really, I'd rather die of even radiation sickness than by a wolf.

We've surpassed nature, as in animals, yes. But as in our sin nature, that we will never do by ourselves.
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Yes, that's true, we are superior, but that doesn't mean we can just ignore them. Think about it: We can be the strongest, smartest creatures on the planet, but what do we do if the animals all die because of us? What do we eat? Do we become vegetarians and die beause we don't get the protein we need?

Where do you think those animals got their protein? Vegetarians can have a healthy diet if they just get enough variety.
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My grandfather knew a vegetarian. Apparently he ate all kinds of foliage, but he looked really sickly all the time. I think he died in his 60's or 70's...

Yeah, you're right, but the variety you need would have to be alot in order to stay healthy in the way you think of it today.
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