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| Gold Leader | Aug 16 2006, 01:03 AM Post #241 |
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Sorry, but Free will. That's what it was called in the Old Testament, regardless of whether or not it was corrupted. Free will was the reason we were banished from Eden, but if we have the free will to follow the real path and not a corrupted one set by the church, then maybe we can get out of this and get back to Eden? |
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| Redhalberd | Aug 16 2006, 12:49 PM Post #242 |
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If are free will corrupted the bible, then god should let it kill us anyway. It's true, we need to learn from our mistakes, and if we dont, we die. Thats what free will allows. Thats why god (not that i beleive in him, but im discussing this for the sake of the argument) doesnt intervene. We can make mistakes, and if those mistakes kill us, then it's nobody elses fault but ours. That would make everything bad that happens gods fault for not intervening. Thats why god doesnt intervene, so people cant blame him (its not why, but it's an example). Edit:
But that's the problem, we cant go back because we have free will. Free will is both good and corrupt, and you cant have free will without corruption. There is no such thing as a pure human soul, we just like to beleive there is. |
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| Gold Leader | Aug 16 2006, 05:49 PM Post #243 |
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Well, yeah, free will got us into this mess, but if we're stuck with it, then we have to make a concerted effort to better ourselves with it. If you don't believe we can or if you decide not to, then you're basically damning the entire human race. The way I see it, we have to at least try. |
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| MetroidSlayer17 | Aug 16 2006, 09:14 PM Post #244 |
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Try, yes. But actions alone can't get us back after we have sinned even once. I believe free will within God's will is good, but free will within man's will may or may not be good, depending on man's actions. |
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| Redhalberd | Aug 16 2006, 09:39 PM Post #245 |
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Sorry, but yes, basically, im damning the human race. Personally, i think it's way to late for us to stop our end. Not that i think we shouldnt try. Im extremely enviornmentally concious to the point where i dont like hummers, and want a solar powered car. I'll do my goddamm part, and watch the world end. That way, i'll have no regrets. I think we should try, but i know that we wont (humans in general). |
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| Gold Leader | Aug 16 2006, 11:32 PM Post #246 |
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Yeah, I hate to say it, but I agree We're pretty much fucked... |
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| MetroidSlayer17 | Aug 17 2006, 01:29 AM Post #247 |
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As far as a race goes, we were "kaput" as soon as sin entered this world. Its good to at least agree on one thing
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| Redhalberd | Aug 17 2006, 12:26 PM Post #248 |
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Yep, but sin makes us human, and we would be machines without it. We can be "us" at the price of being idiots. But i like my life, and i just hope we can save our children. |
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| im_better | Aug 25 2006, 03:46 AM Post #249 |
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you know...a biship in a near by church once said "i belive there is a heavan and a hell, but i belive no one is in hell" also it says in the bible god shows compation to all his children im sorta religious... |
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| MetroidSlayer17 | Aug 25 2006, 09:41 PM Post #250 |
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Hate to say it, but if you believe the Bible wholly, then you also believe someone is in Hell. The Bible teaches that the rich man that treated Lazarus badly is in "the lake of fire." Ramses II, the pharoah at the time of the Exodus, is in Hell too, as he died not believing with his army. The Bible says God shows compassion, but consider this. We have sinned, and God has given his life for us. By refusing it, we do him another injustice. Where do you think the best one of us belongs? Mother Theresa? If she was a true Catholic, and tried to go to Heaven by works, she is in Hell too. "We are saved not of works, but by faith." No human can equal God's righteousness. All the goodness in a trillion Mother Theresas could not equal the goodness of God's toenail. God feels compassion for us, but he can't pardon our sins without us regretting them and asking him to do so in the first place. |
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| War of the Worlds | Aug 27 2006, 10:12 PM Post #251 |
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This is very strange at school but, there this one person and she think if she does good things then she goes to heaven without belief of the bible. The bible does explains events about things like how is Anartica under 8 -12 miles under ice, reason maybe the great flood, and if all that Ice mealt then there maybe another one. |
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| DeProgrammer | Aug 27 2006, 10:23 PM Post #252 |
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Yeah, except the Bible also says there will never be another great flood. |
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| Redhalberd | Aug 27 2006, 10:29 PM Post #253 |
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And sadly, we know there will be. I though this topic was dead for sure. |
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| DeProgrammer | Aug 27 2006, 11:08 PM Post #254 |
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We don't know there will be, and we don't know anything else about the future. |
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| Redhalberd | Aug 28 2006, 12:05 AM Post #255 |
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actually we do. By 2020, a certain city in sweden (im pretty sure it's sweden) will be under water. By 2050 major portions of continents will be underwater. Global warming shows absolutley no signs of slowing down (in fact, it's speeding up), and even if all pollution was to stop now, it would still take a couple hundred years for the atmosphere to clean. |
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