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is jesus real?; wow... alot of pages! O_O
Topic Started: Aug 5 2006, 10:46 PM (3,071 Views)
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lol i bet redhalberd thinks we lost it in the evolution process cause we didnt need it. anyways, a mod needs to close this seriously... im getting tired of hating everyone that argues christianity. your ruining the board for other members.
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sheegothhunter,Aug 10 2006
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damn i leave for 8 hours and get three pages! you are right whoever said this topic is booming. its hard to keep up. i enjoy it. but honestly, for the sake of our relationships with eachother i suggest this topic be closed.... we just might end up all hating eachother forever cause of this. but whatever.... people already hate me here. :D

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Why do you adress 'god' by 'he' ? If supposably your book states that 'god' is a spirit then why address it as 'he' and not 'it' or the higher power? That is another thing that is proof that people came up with the idea of 'god'. In fact exactly what proof do you have that 'god' is a he?

2)People always come with excuses to science or common sense related to stuff when explaining things, just the other day my cousin was drunk, and he said, 'god exists! And I swear to god I will make this basket!' he shoots the basket and whaddaya know? He misses and he says, 'nvm, it's cause I am not sobre' wtf? First you say you swear then you say your not sobre...



1: that is a pittifull argument to explain why we made up a god. think about it: jesus was a male, and in the days when the bible was written, men were much more powerfull than women, so to say that god was a she would have made many beleivers leave.

2: a drunk guy who cant shoot a basket is NO explanation either. it isnt a good example of people making excuses of god or whatever you complained about.

and whoever said that god made imperfect beings in his image: you need to actually READ some of the bible before you tell US what it says. god didnt create us imperfect, we fell to sin and yada yada yada on topic though:

there is NO PROOF of evolution. there is only some evidence that could possibly help the THEOY. let me repeat, evolution has not been proven, no matter WHAT you think. so dont say it has. cause it hasnt. its called the Theory of Evolution. and we havnt observed it either. we have only observed adaptation. THEY ARENT THE SAME. you think that adaptation is a small example of evolution, right? well you are only ASSUMING that creatures continue to adapt, evolving into a new creature at the end.

THERE IS NO PROOF OR DIRECT EVIDENCE OF EVOLUTION, SCIENTISTS HAVE NEVER SEEN A CREATURE EVOLVE. THEY ONLY ASSUME.

and you cant argue that cause its true. and before you all get to into the universe creation thing, ill say right now that i beleive that god could have created a similar to human form, and it could have adapted and changed into what we are today. but i dont agree that we evolved from monkey/apes/whatever.

it hasnt been observed, only "small examples" (aka ADAPTATION) have been observed.

I dont beleive you. We have seen creatures evolve. We have fossil evidence. Saying there is no proof of evolution is deny the facts before your eyes. Crossbreeding is evolution. Mutation is evolution. Adaptation is evolution. All of these are things you can go outside to your backyard and see. And i have read the bible, and no offense, but it sounded like someone made it up. It's a storybook as far as im concerned. But the point is, THERE IS PLENTY OF PROOF OF EVOLUTION, AND NO PROOF OF CREATIONISM OTHER THAN THE BIBLE.

Oh, and why are we not immune to AIDS?? Because we're a different species. Neon disease only affects neon tetras, not other tetras, but they're all related, arent they?? Thats how people can make weedkiller that only kills one type of weed. So no, i know what im talking about.

And yes, this needs to be locked, but not yet, it's getting more interesting.
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I'm not sure I'm following you... how is life any more or less meaningful if there is or is not a God?

Monkeys are born with HIV and the immunity to it. <_<

Universe is big. We will never be able to go to another earthlike planet in our or five hundred lifetimes. Life is meaningless because our own sun one day will kill us and we will die with it.

Monkeys gave Homo Sapiens HIV. There are humans that are immune the the HIV virus, just like there were people that were immune to the pleauge.
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REDHALBERD,Aug 10 2006
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And i have read the bible, and no offense, but it sounded like someone made it up. It's a storybook as far as im concerned.

On this topic, I feel compelled to voice that I have in fact not read it for the sole reason that I cannot stand reading it. At every corner in almost every pargraph it repeats the same phrase "if you do not believe you will not get into heaven" in a different way each time. If Jesus (and/or the bible) were just attempting to tell a story about morals and belief (true or not) then I would probably be able to enjoy and understand reading the bible. But it repeats one-line catch phrases so much that it could be called brain-washing .. I would'nt be surprised if this is how it captures most of its believers, I myself find it like a cheese grater is being pushed back and forth against my scalp and I simply cannot continue reading. Does anyone else feel this way about it?

Its not that it makes me feel any frustration or guilt, its just the repetitiveness bores me against reading it. Maybe my attention span is too short ...
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and whoever said that god made imperfect beings in his image: you need to actually READ some of the bible before you tell US what it says. god didnt create us imperfect, we fell to sin and yada yada yada on topic though:

A perfect being wouldn't "fall to sin". >_>
A perfect being always remains perfect no matter what, because they're perfect.
That goes by the very definition of perfection.
Obviously we were created as imperfect beings.
They couldn't have been convinced to eat the apple, because they're perfect.
Even an imperfect being would probably not fall for that unless extremely stupid.

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there is NO PROOF of evolution. there is only some evidence that could possibly help the THEOY. let me repeat, evolution has not been proven, no matter WHAT you think. so dont say it has. cause it hasnt. its called the Theory of Evolution. and we havnt observed it either. we have only observed adaptation. THEY ARENT THE SAME. you think that adaptation is a small example of evolution, right? well you are only ASSUMING that creatures continue to adapt, evolving into a new creature at the end.

THERE IS NO PROOF OR DIRECT EVIDENCE OF EVOLUTION, SCIENTISTS HAVE NEVER SEEN A CREATURE EVOLVE. THEY ONLY ASSUME.


Oh, I'm very convinced now. Thanks for clearing that all up and backing up your arguments with lots of examples. I see you spent a very long time thinking that up and researching the subject. >_>

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I was originally planning to close this topic this morning because last night ended with lots of spam and pointless posts, but it's flipped back around to discussion again. <_<


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On this topic, I feel compelled to voice that I have in fact not read it for the sole reason that I cannot stand reading it. At every corner in almost every pargraph it repeats the same phrase "if you do not believe you will not get into heaven" in a different way each time. If Jesus (and/or the bible) were just attempting to tell a story about morals and belief (true or not) then I would probably be able to enjoy and understand reading the bible. But it repeats one-line catch phrases so much that it could be called brain-washing .. I would'nt be surprised if this is how it captures most of its believers, I myself find it like a cheese grater is being pushed back and forth against my scalp and I simply cannot continue reading. Does anyone else feel this way about it?

Its not that it makes me feel any frustration or guilt, its just the repetitiveness bores me against reading it. Maybe my attention span is too short ...


I have a hard time trying to read it because it's just so vague and weird. I mean, it begins with this perfect guy making only "good" things, and then he makes females by cutting off guy's rib while he sleeps. Next there's some serpent that convinces them to eat an apple, and then the perfect guy has to curse all of his creations.. Even though they were apparently perfect? That's a wonderful way to begin a universe...

Maybe I should try to get past Genisis sometime. >_>;;
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We were created perfect, then, in short, Satan comes in the form of that serpent you were talking about, and convinces them to eat an apple out of the garden of Eden, which was forbidden.
I love arguing both sides... <_<V;;
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We were created perfect, then, in short, Satan comes in the form of that serpent you were talking about, and convinces them to eat an apple out of the garden of Eden, which was forbidden.
I love arguing both sides... <_<V;;

But you cant. We couldnt be created perfect, because a perfect creature has no flaws. A perfect creature is indestructible, infinetly powerful, and infinetly wise. A perfect creature has nothing to live for, because it's so perfect. Please be less lenient with the word perfect. God clearly created us extremely flawed, or we wouldnt have succumbed to a dumb serpent, Satan, or not.
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but god DID create perfect beings... just not us. i believe the perfect beings are angels.

we are really not all that great compared to them.
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Perfect just means they were without sin. We were created perfect, but now we are very currupt. <_<
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I'm not corrupt. Am i perfect then?
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Y'know, I'd really rather not say this, but nobody's responded yet, so...

You are definitely corrupt. You are more corrupt than three-fourths of the forumers here.
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That much?

good for me that I'm not an american that invade other countries just to get their oil and think that it has anything with terrorism to do then... I wonder how corrupt I would be if that would be the case.

So if we don't love everything, are we corrupt? What do the christians think of homosexuals and people that masturbate or get a child before they are married? The bible says that it is wrong.
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is that REALLY what you think of america?

it seems something like the telephone game is going on, where the story is being mutalated so much, that people end up believing something false...

if you dont know what the telephone game is:

the telephone game is where one person thinks up a sentance such as "boogers taste good with ketchup" (just throwing something random out there) and tells it to the person to the left... then that person tells it to the person to his left... and, when it gets to the end of the line, the end person tells what he said (in this example "burgers make good rat traps"), and its usually completely different from what the beginning person said.
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Butch,Aug 10 2006
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So if we don't love everything, are we corrupt? What do the christians think of homosexuals and people that masturbate or get a child before they are married? The bible says that it is wrong.

Love the sinner, hate the sin. NO Christian is perfect in every way, many young Christians fall into these ( last two most commonly) Total surrender is what God wants from us but it is so hard for so many Christians (me include). 'Christian' is so generic now-a-days unfortunately.
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I dont say that i dont sin, but that's why it doesnt make sense for god to hae anyting against it. People sin hundreds of times a day. That's why you can only judge people based on the standard. If you come from a bad family, and a bad neighborhood, then your also bad. It's not your fault. But if your still better than everyone else, you a good person, because something in your concience keeps you from being as sinful as the others.

And Butch's statement doesnt count for all americans, but it does count for America itself (no offense, but i mean the 90% white elite in the government). Everything in america, is about making money, or trying to interfere with the rest of the world. But that has nothing to do with this topic, so lets forget about it.

And i think it's about time this got locked. Nothing has changed in the last couple pages, just arguments and denial. I dont retreat from my position, but i dont think anyone else will. Im not asking Troid to lock, this, i'd just like to know if you think it should be locked. However, despite your opinion, please continue witht the debate.
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