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is jesus real?; wow... alot of pages! O_O
Topic Started: Aug 5 2006, 10:46 PM (3,072 Views)
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it wasnt meant to insult... wait, were you talking to me? bah im all confused now...
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@HAIRY: I meant redhalberd
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Now, lets get some feedback.

The older version is not the defiled one. Einsteins theory of relativity has rarely been questioned, though there is evidence against it.

And a few bones we've been digging up?? Wake up and smell the coffee!!! We've found hundreds of millions of years of bones, and creatures that walked/crawled/swam the earth long long long ago. And carbon dating is solid evidence that they're as old as we say. But even if that's not enough for you, tell me why the bones get older as we dig deeper?? Why the creatures become more primitive?? Because of evolution, and the sands of time.

And god created black holes??? Lol. If were his chosen people, why did he even give half a damn to create the rest of the universe?? We're less than
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Percent of the universe. Why would god even waste his time, if he's focusing on us?? And god created gravity?? Gravity can easily be explain by a mathematical equation, and so can black holes. Black holes occur when two massive objects in space collide, and are so dense together, that their gravity makes them collapse in on themselves (their matter cant support the intense gravity). The gravity is so intense, that even light cant escape, that's why it looks like a hole in space. Whether the collapsing matter creates an incomprehensibly dense ball in the center, or if it rips a hole in space time, is debatable.
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Redhalberd, that's pretty much the exact same thing as you said on the page before this.
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and why'd you edit and say you were retiring for the night in the middle of the explanation??
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MasonMcCoy,Aug 10 2006
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That's not a good theory at all. There's still no beginning theory to the big bang--everything simply was.

It is at least as good as the "god" theory.
Your god created the universe... Ok. There is just one problem. What is god? Why did god make an imperfect being if it is made inte image of the god? Was it bored? The way we work is that we think that everything must have a start and a end. Right? So, has your god always been around? Or did something create this god of yours?

You are saying that your god always existed, right? Well, could'nt our universe always have existed too?

We exist to reproduce, but there is just one problem. We no longer have natural enemies and we can cure shitloads of decieses. We have destryed our world, some countries more than others (I would like to think of americans as number one on my list) and the rainforests are being chopped down to make shitpaper.

It's easy for you to say that he created it all, but come on. It's a cheap answer. Is there any real facts that someone could show me? I will join you and I will sing one of those Haleluja songs in church. All I need is something that could convince me that there is an allmighty force that could create the universe, without itself having to be created. I know it sounds illogical, but that's what you are telling me. So please, show me something.

Oh, it's 4.28am. I'm half asleep so I guess that my post will look like something an idiot would write.
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Before any other Americans can argue, I'll admit that most of us suck as far as destroying our own planet. And since we can't quite destroy it fast enough, our president starts a war so he can grab more oil for his company, and we can desstroy the planet that much faster! :D
But I guess that's not what we're talking about.
And Butch, your post looks fine from where I'm standing, and is made up of points I can't argue with.
If any more hard-core Christians can come up with something... by all means, go ahead.
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Butch,Aug 10 2006
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That's not a good theory at all. There's still no beginning theory to the big bang--everything simply was.

It is at least as good as the "god" theory.
Your god created the universe... Ok. There is just one problem. What is god? Why did god make an imperfect being if it is made inte image of the god? Was it bored? The way we work is that we think that everything must have a start and a end. Right? So, has your god always been around? Or did something create this god of yours?

You are saying that your god always existed, right? Well, could'nt our universe always have existed too?

We exist to reproduce, but there is just one problem. We no longer have natural enemies and we can cure shitloads of decieses. We have destryed our world, some countries more than others (I would like to think of americans as number one on my list) and the rainforests are being chopped down to make shitpaper.

It's easy for you to say that he created it all, but come on. It's a cheap answer. Is there any real facts that someone could show me? I will join you and I will sing one of those Haleluja songs in church. All I need is something that could convince me that there is an allmighty force that could create the universe, without itself having to be created. I know it sounds illogical, but that's what you are telling me. So please, show me something.

Oh, it's 4.28am. I'm half asleep so I guess that my post will look like something an idiot would write.

seriously that was all nice and all but seriously it sounded like you were being rude to christians <_<


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We have destryed our world, some countries more than others (I would like to think of americans as number one on my list) and the rainforests are being chopped down to make shitpaper.


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Just because we don't have to doesn't mean we won't. The lumber companies, the paper companies... they'll try and find a way to keep it from happening. And it's not exactly a small industry. And most people won't buy it, anyway. It probably costs a bit more, and people probably won't buy it because of that. It's like organic foods... just because it's better for you, the environment, animals... it doesn't mean that everyone's going to suddenly buy organic food, or the food industries suddenly switch.
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What was that directing to? anyway back to topic please.
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Making paper out of something that's not a tree... <_<V;;
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damn i leave for 8 hours and get three pages! you are right whoever said this topic is booming. its hard to keep up. i enjoy it. but honestly, for the sake of our relationships with eachother i suggest this topic be closed.... we just might end up all hating eachother forever cause of this. but whatever.... people already hate me here. :D

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Why do you adress 'god' by 'he' ? If supposably your book states that 'god' is a spirit then why address it as 'he' and not 'it' or the higher power? That is another thing that is proof that people came up with the idea of 'god'. In fact exactly what proof do you have that 'god' is a he?

2)People always come with excuses to science or common sense related to stuff when explaining things, just the other day my cousin was drunk, and he said, 'god exists! And I swear to god I will make this basket!' he shoots the basket and whaddaya know? He misses and he says, 'nvm, it's cause I am not sobre' wtf? First you say you swear then you say your not sobre...



1: that is a pittifull argument to explain why we made up a god. think about it: jesus was a male, and in the days when the bible was written, men were much more powerfull than women, so to say that god was a she would have made many beleivers leave.

2: a drunk guy who cant shoot a basket is NO explanation either. it isnt a good example of people making excuses of god or whatever you complained about.

and whoever said that god made imperfect beings in his image: you need to actually READ some of the bible before you tell US what it says. god didnt create us imperfect, we fell to sin and yada yada yada on topic though:

there is NO PROOF of evolution. there is only some evidence that could possibly help the THEOY. let me repeat, evolution has not been proven, no matter WHAT you think. so dont say it has. cause it hasnt. its called the Theory of Evolution. and we havnt observed it either. we have only observed adaptation. THEY ARENT THE SAME. you think that adaptation is a small example of evolution, right? well you are only ASSUMING that creatures continue to adapt, evolving into a new creature at the end.

THERE IS NO PROOF OR DIRECT EVIDENCE OF EVOLUTION, SCIENTISTS HAVE NEVER SEEN A CREATURE EVOLVE. THEY ONLY ASSUME.

and you cant argue that cause its true. and before you all get to into the universe creation thing, ill say right now that i beleive that god could have created a similar to human form, and it could have adapted and changed into what we are today. but i dont agree that we evolved from monkey/apes/whatever.

it hasnt been observed, only "small examples" (aka ADAPTATION) have been observed.
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Humans' concept of time and reality is nothing. God is not limited by our minds. Are you capable of grasping the concept that is a lack of time? There's no seconds, no minutes, no days. It's like everything is all at once and yet never. You can't imagine it, but that's how it is. Mathematics were created by God; logic was created by God. They would otherwise not exist: if even a simple human can imagine a universe where math is not what it is, it's possible.
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Butch,Aug 10 2006
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That's not a good theory at all. There's still no beginning theory to the big bang--everything simply was.

It is at least as good as the "god" theory.
Your god created the universe... Ok. There is just one problem. What is god? Why did god make an imperfect being if it is made inte image of the god? Was it bored? The way we work is that we think that everything must have a start and a end. Right? So, has your god always been around? Or did something create this god of yours?

You are saying that your god always existed, right? Well, could'nt our universe always have existed too?

We exist to reproduce, but there is just one problem. We no longer have natural enemies and we can cure shitloads of decieses. We have destryed our world, some countries more than others (I would like to think of americans as number one on my list) and the rainforests are being chopped down to make shitpaper.

It's easy for you to say that he created it all, but come on. It's a cheap answer. Is there any real facts that someone could show me? I will join you and I will sing one of those Haleluja songs in church. All I need is something that could convince me that there is an allmighty force that could create the universe, without itself having to be created. I know it sounds illogical, but that's what you are telling me. So please, show me something.

Oh, it's 4.28am. I'm half asleep so I guess that my post will look like something an idiot would write.

okay... (talking about the first part of your post) the bible sometimes refers to god as "i am"

this is basically saying, he was, he is, and he always will be...

basically, according to this, god is just there... he was always there... and he always will be. no beginning, no end... etc, etc...
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I was'nt rude. I want hard facts, but either they have none or ther are keeping it from me. That's all. It would be super duper if it was true and I could go to heaven instead of hell but in order to belive that I need something that could convince me that it is the truth.

All facts that I've seen points to the "there is no god and we're just living to reproduce and die" theory, so it would be nice if someone could convince me that the world is'nt that bad place I always belived it to be. history books are full of old meaningless wars that got started by pride, pure stupidity or religions.

I am one of those who don't belive in ghosts and conspiration theories, just because there is no way that anyone can prove to me that it is true. I can se stars on the sky at night and I can dig up some old fossiles. they are real because I can touch them.

but I also wish that we would have a purpose. otherwise life would seem meaningless, right? We are animals, and just like other animals we have no real purpose. That's kind of sad. We created weapons that could make world lifeless and we made spaceships to explore space. But that is meaningless since we could stay on earth and be friends and just enjoy our meaningless life. *feeling kind of sad*

Oh, and if nobody could make any sense of my post... just ignore it. I'm so tired right now that I wrote five rown in german before I noticed that it was the wrong language. 5.20am and still awake. I guess I will have to call in sick today.
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I'm not sure I'm following you... how is life any more or less meaningful if there is or is not a God?

Anyway, I think Mason put out a pretty good description of God's existence. He's always existed, but not how we see it, with Time moving in a straight line.

As for Creation vs. Evolution, I can't understand how some people can believe there wasn't a creator. Like the Big Bang. I mean sure, you can you the counter point, "It can't be explained just as God can't be explained"... but I was under the impression that the theory of Evolution was created because someone refused to believe anything was uncomprehendeble. Not to mention, if we evolved from monkeys, why are we affected by AIDS? Monkeys are born with HIV and the immunity to it. <_<
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