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is jesus real?; wow... alot of pages! O_O
Topic Started: Aug 5 2006, 10:46 PM (3,073 Views)
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MasonMcCoy,Aug 10 2006
01:20 AM
The fact of the matter is that everything exists was created by God. If it wasn't, it wouldn't exist. There's simply no explanation for the universe's existence that a human could find logical.

What about teh big bang? Thats a pretty good theory, even the fact that the solar system moves around the galaxy, btw does the galaxy move or revolve around anything?
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This really has nothing to do with the current discussion, it's just my bit on this arguement. I'm also going to compress it quite a bit since I don't have the time for a huge paragraph. It's odd that I even thought of this, since I AM a Christian, but what the hell.

Humans are pretty much just evolved animals, right? Well, an animals main instinct is survival. So it would make sense that since, unlike other animals, we can think, we would come up with some way to survive after dieing. Thus comes the afterlife.
Because of having this afterlife, people might stop caring if they are executed for crimes, so they might not obey laws or rules. That's where the gods come in. They would have a set of laws that, if you broke, you would go to an afterlife that pretty much sucked. (aka, hell)
Another possibility was to keep soldiers from chickening out, saying that if they died with honor, they'd go to the not-so-bad afterlife.
There's a lot more to it, but like I said, I'm a bit busy right now. That's the basic idea, anyway.
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That's not a good theory at all. There's still no beginning theory to the big bang--everything simply was.
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MasonMcCoy,Aug 10 2006
01:16 AM
Funny how people stop thinking like scientists and start thinking like idiots when they want things their way. Butch, it's obvious that, both in science and in this case, the older version is the defiled one. New information gained improves on the accuracy of old beliefs.

God hasn't left overwhelming evidence, nor has he tricked us. We trick ourselves into believing that there's a time link between a few bones we've found when digging around instead of doing what we were made to do.

God created black holes, too, and any priest who says otherwise is an idiot. The thing is that no black hole is near enough for us to even get to it in a long time. God also made gravity itself, and it's not deadly unless people get high and purposely throw themselves into danger--you don't fall off the middle of a mesa, you fall off the edge of one.

The older version is not the defiled one. Einsteins theory of relativity has rarely been questioned, though there is evidence against it.

And a few bones we've been digging up?? Wake up and smell the coffee!!! We've found hundreds of millions of years of bones, and creatures that walked/crawled/swam the earth long long long ago. And carbon dating is solid evidence that they're as old as we say. But even if that's not enough for you, tell me why the bones get older as we dig deeper?? Why the creatures become more primitive?? Because of evolution, and the sands of time.

And god created black holes??? Lol. If were his chosen people, why did he even give half a damn to create the rest of the universe?? We're less than
.0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001
Percent of the universe. Why would god even waste his time, if he's focusing on us?? And god created gravity?? Gravity can easily be explain by a mathematical equation, and so can black holes. Black holes occur when two massive objects in space collide, and are so dense together, that their gravity makes them collapse in on themselves (their matter cant support the intense gravity). The gravity is so intense, that even light cant escape, that's why it looks like a hole in space. Whether the collapsing matter creates an incomprehensibly dense ball in the center, or if it rips a hole in space time, is debatable.

It can all be explained by math, and science, that's why "god created black holes" is pretty meaningless. And he created them far away so they can hurt us??? Meteors could wipe us out just a quickly, so can epidemics. God isnt protecting us even if he does exist. If god created the universe, we're just a piece on his chessboard, seeing as how he's probably created other planets to play with.
God or no god, for all we know, the human race could be gone tommorow.
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What if, by some cosmical happenstance, God created mathematics as well?
There is something...

...Greater than your friends...

...Greater than your family...

...Greater than the entire world...

...and it starts here.
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CloudVaris,Aug 10 2006
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This really has nothing to do with the current discussion, it's just my bit on this arguement. I'm also going to compress it quite a bit since I don't have the time for a huge paragraph. It's odd that I even thought of this, since I AM a Christian, but what the hell.

Humans are pretty much just evolved animals, right? Well, an animals main instinct is survival. So it would make sense that since, unlike other animals, we can think, we would come up with some way to survive after dieing. Thus comes the afterlife.
Because of having this afterlife, people might stop caring if they are executed for crimes, so they might not obey laws or rules. That's where the gods come in. They would have a set of laws that, if you broke, you would go to an afterlife that pretty much sucked. (aka, hell)
Another possibility was to keep soldiers from chickening out, saying that if they died with honor, they'd go to the not-so-bad afterlife.
There's a lot more to it, but like I said, I'm a bit busy right now.  That's the basic idea, anyway.

Ummm, no. If your a creationist, you dont beleive humans are evolved animals. And afterlife is for people who are afraid of death. People "invented the afterlife" for two reasons.

1. To comfort those about to die
2. To enforce order by punishing the bad, and rewarding the good.

That's common sense. And no, we're not the only animals that can think. Plenty of animals can think. We were only sentient when we found out we were sentient. So, since your the evolutionist christian, when humans became sentient, did an afterlife magically appear??? Your contradicting yourself.

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What if, by some cosmical happenstance, God created mathematics as well?

Lolz, no offense dude, but that's pretty funny. God can create mathematics?? Mathematics exist in every concept of reality. If it cant be explained by mathematics or science, it doesnt exist. You cant create mathematics, because mathematics is wherever anything exists.

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I keep hearing this over and over and over again and its getting REALLY annoying, heres a question that will stump anybody!

1) Why do you adress 'god' by 'he' ? If supposably your book states that 'god' is a spirit then why address it as 'he' and not 'it' or the higher power? That is another thing that is proof that people came up with the idea of 'god'. In fact exactly what proof do you have that 'god' is a he?

2)People always come with excuses to science or common sense related to stuff when explaining things, just the other day my cousin was drunk, and he said, 'god exists! And I swear to god I will make this basket!' he shoots the basket and whaddaya know? He misses and he says, 'nvm, it's cause I am not sobre' wtf? First you say you swear then you say your not sobre...

EDIT: You know, you can't say 'god' 'created' math because math is just there and always will be, say you were an austraulipethicus Afarensis and you saw ur fingers, '1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10' there you go, you just 'invented' math...T_______T, that doesn't mean he did however, math is always tehre and always be ehre, math is un avoidable, there are five letters in that sign, the pole is 5feet long, the road is 10miles long.... ok I don't wanna continue cause then I'll go into infinite numbers and then die.... :sweat:
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Halberd, I meant we're the only ones that could sit around and think 'Oh, it'll suck when I die. It'd be cool if there was a life after death.'
I'm not some huge Christian. I can believe in evolution if I want to.
I didn't say that after we became sentient, and afterlife magically appeared, did I? I said humans came up with it because of our animalistic instinct to survive, and since we KNOW that we're going to die some time, unlike other animals, who don't know that they will die eventually, we come up with the idea of an afterlife.

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1. To comfort those about to die
2. To enforce order by punishing the bad, and rewarding the good.


That's common sense.

That's... pretty much what I said... <_<V;;
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Wow, where is everyone??

Anyway, math is an unovoidable part of reality. Even space with no objects in it still has distance. Molecules have distance. The have volume, as well. Anything can be defined by math. Science is defined by math. History is defined by math. What you ate for breakfast can be written in a mathematical equation. Flexing your muscle is math. Thinking is even math!!

So god couldnt create math, since math is older than god.
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the truth of the matter is...

he could be a she for all we know... or, in fact, he may have no sex whatso ever (most likely)

imo, we call him "he" because what else is there to call him? when you think of god you hear this big booming voice coming from the clouds... you dont think the voice could be a woman's, right? i mean, its booming and all...

its just how we think of him... there is no way for us to know, is there?
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@REDHALBERD!:: no duh :P lol jk... anyways can someone please answer my first quesiton? I am waiting :P
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the truth of the matter is...

he could be a she for all we know... or, in fact, he may have no sex whatso ever (most likely)

imo, we call him "he" because what else is there to call him? when you think of god you hear this big booming voice coming from the clouds... you dont think the voice could be a woman's, right? i mean, its booming and all...

its just how we think of him... there is no way for us to know, is there?


See tehre you go again, anyways: If you don't call 'god' a she because you don't know what else you are gonna call 'it' or because you think a she is a little too much, I'd say you are a racial sexist
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it would be nice if you could quote it in that post... im really not into reading 12 pages of text...
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Hah, what makes you think god even speaks???? If he's so great, why would his communication be limited by sound?? A booming voice...thats fantasy.

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im saying thats how humans usually interpret god as being...

im not saying its truly how he speaks.
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Ok please don't insult...(if you weren't) it sounds like you were.
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