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is jesus real?; wow... alot of pages! O_O
Topic Started: Aug 5 2006, 10:46 PM (3,074 Views)
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I already did, back on one of the first three pages.

Edit: Page three, third post. Physical evidence of the past simply can't prove the past happened the way said evidence suggests.
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MasonMcCoy,Aug 9 2006
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I already did, back on one of the first three pages.

Edit: Page three, third post. Physical evidence of the past simply can't prove the past happened the way said evidence suggests.

So "God" created them to fool us? Or are they supposed to be an old experiment of his?
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Two options aren't enough. There's a lot more than just one "or".

My most logical thought would be that God placed them there to further strengthen faith: those who can see them and still deny what they represent have stronger faith than those who do not see them.
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And you are sure that Christianity is the "real" religion? There are some older religions you know... What if your god is just a bok joke and there are lots of other gods like Tor, Oden and Freja?
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Everyone thinks (and it's likely true--I just say thinks because it's physical evidence of the past) Christianity is less than 2000 years old. It supposedly (obviously the same issue as the previous sentence) came from Judaism. People say that Judaism came from Zoroastrianism, from what I've heard, which included something along the lines of the world ending in a ball of fire. So this is all fine and good... Its bases came from way back in the beginning of history, and it just keeps getting more and more accurate as God instructs the people more and they make up less of his word themselves.
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So that means that it is a twisted and distorted version of the first version in your example?
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What a universe we live in to have a God that's tricking us into believing in evolution by leaving completely fake but overwhelming evidence. I'll just go ahead and protest by believing in evolution anyway. >_>

Edit: Also, I've never really understood the whole "faith > proof" idea. I mean, what makes faith so great? Being able to believe in something contrary to evidence around you? If you're given solid evidence you should believe it without hoping it'll go false someday. Of course, you don't want to be brainwashed easily, but you should still be open to new ideas, and that kind of makes proof > faith. Not saying I don't completely fail at this (it's human nature to be bad at it), but it seems logical. Of course it's probably bad to skip any emotional feelings with switching ideas, so it shouldn't be instantaneous or anything.
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Troid92,Aug 10 2006
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What a universe we live in to have a God that's tricking us into believing in evolution by leaving completely fake but overwhelming evidence. I'll just go ahead and protest by believing in evolution anyway. >_>

Edit: Also, I've never really understood the whole "faith > proof" idea. I mean, what makes faith so great? Being able to believe in something contrary to evidence around you? If you're given solid evidence you should believe it without hoping it'll go false someday. Of course, you don't want to be brainwashed easily, but you should still be open to new ideas, and that kind of makes proof > faith. Not saying I don't completely fail at this (it's human nature to be bad at it), but it seems logical. Of course it's probably bad to skip any emotional feelings with switching ideas, so it shouldn't be instantaneous or anything.

Faith is intangible. Faith isnt real. Faith is real because you beleive it, and you are one of many. Anyone on the planet can look at proof, and know what happened. Proof > faith because faith is your choice, and proof isnt. You have to accept proof. Proof is fact. Faith has no proof, therefore isnt fact, it's opinion/fantasy. Common sense tells me that god doesnt exist.

[Edit] I must say though, this thread has pitted us against each other. We've stopped spriting, and started arguing. And this thread has boomed faster than any other in MP2D history (spare for the hunter vs spartan). If it wasnt for the negativity of this thread, i'd say it's the best thing that ever happened to the MP2D forums.

Look at the number of users online at once, all wanting a piece of this thread.
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Troid92,Aug 10 2006
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What a universe we live in to have a God that's tricking us into believing in evolution by leaving completely fake but overwhelming evidence. I'll just go ahead and protest by believing in evolution anyway. >_>

Edit: Also, I've never really understood the whole "faith > proof" idea. I mean, what makes faith so great? Being able to believe in something contrary to evidence around you? If you're given solid evidence you should believe it without hoping it'll go false someday. Of course, you don't want to be brainwashed easily, but you should still be open to new ideas, and that kind of makes proof > faith. Not saying I don't completely fail at this (it's human nature to be bad at it), but it seems logical. Of course it's probably bad to skip any emotional feelings with switching ideas, so it shouldn't be instantaneous or anything.

Buhahahha! Troid has just found the only thing in which we could counter christians and their beliefs!! That is soo true!(Why didn't I think of that! :confused: ) That was a great counter. What god would put evidence of evolution in a world in which there is no evolution(according to christians)and we just appeared here like nothing, the universe appeared here like nothing, the earth, stars nebulas, black holes... also heres one thing. If youtell a christian we exist out of evolution and nature, they'll tell you that it was god, and if you ask them who created a black hole so deadly that can kill us at anytime, they'll just say that, that was nature. Did you understand what i mean? And even my mom and several people at my school, and even one of those 2-hand preists! They can never counter me though :D>

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Troid92,Aug 10 2006
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What a universe we live in to have a God that's tricking us into believing in evolution by leaving completely fake but overwhelming evidence. I'll just go ahead and protest by believing in evolution anyway. >_>

Edit: Also, I've never really understood the whole "faith > proof" idea. I mean, what makes faith so great? Being able to believe in something contrary to evidence around you? If you're given solid evidence you should believe it without hoping it'll go false someday. Of course, you don't want to be brainwashed easily, but you should still be open to new ideas, and that kind of makes proof > faith. Not saying I don't completely fail at this (it's human nature to be bad at it), but it seems logical. Of course it's probably bad to skip any emotional feelings with switching ideas, so it shouldn't be instantaneous or anything.

Faith is intangible. Faith isnt real. Faith is real because you beleive it, and you are one of many. Anyone on the planet can look at proof, and know what happened. Proof > faith because faith is your choice, and proof isnt. You have to accept proof. Proof is fact. Faith has no proof, therefore isnt fact, it's opinion/fantasy. Common sense tells me that god doesnt exist.

[Edit] I must say though, this thread has pitted us against each other. We've stopped spriting, and started arguing. And this thread has boomed faster than any other in MP2D history (spare for the hunter vs spartan). If it wasnt for the negativity of this thread, i'd say it's the best thing that ever happened to the MP2D forums.

Look at the number of users online at once, all wanting a piece of this thread.

[sorry for the double post, if infact I amde a double post]

Red it depends how you interpret things there is no negativity, it's just how you understand and take it. If you are simple minded you will get mad and want this locked, if you are open-minded you wouldn't care, you would just know its all about sharing ideas and telling eachother's beliefs and showing our differences
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Lol, i've never met a christian who could counter my arguments. But back in texas, it's mostly extremists, so you dont make friends that way, so i kept it on the low low.

And yes, troid, that's a very good argument, just like why did god create H5-N1, AIDS, Asteroids heading for our planet, and supervolcanoes. People say god doesnt want us to die, but we're just as vulnerable as our little planet.

[EDIT] at troid. No, i dont want this locked, im enjoying this vastly. I beleive there is room for intelligent discussion.
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Ltos of chirstians counter with, 'have faith! god thi god that'(no offense to the christians)my mom doesn't listen if she knew I was learning Astronomy for that same reason I am here, she would belive me, unfortunatly I cannot tell anyone.

TRoid made a good argument there, it makes sense and maybe can provide an idea saying, 'there is no god' or I dunno(again no offense).
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Funny how people stop thinking like scientists and start thinking like idiots when they want things their way. Butch, it's obvious that, both in science and in this case, the older version is the defiled one. New information gained improves on the accuracy of old beliefs.

God hasn't left overwhelming evidence, nor has he tricked us. We trick ourselves into believing that there's a time link between a few bones we've found when digging around instead of doing what we were made to do.

God created black holes, too, and any priest who says otherwise is an idiot. The thing is that no black hole is near enough for us to even get to it in a long time. God also made gravity itself, and it's not deadly unless people get high and purposely throw themselves into danger--you don't fall off the middle of a mesa, you fall off the edge of one.

God created lots of diseases and things we would consider bad, but only we would consider them bad--they give him glory when we make it through them, and they discipline us or get us to heaven more quickly when we don't.
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I must say though, this thread has pitted us against each other. We've stopped spriting, and started arguing. And this thread has boomed faster than any other in MP2D history (spare for the hunter vs spartan). If it wasnt for the negativity of this thread, i'd say it's the best thing that ever happened to the MP2D forums.

Best ways to lose friends: Religion and politics. At least they make for good discussions/debates.

And Serus, don't be so ... confident. <_<
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MasonMcCoy,Aug 10 2006
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Funny how people stop thinking like scientists and start thinking like idiots when they want things their way. Butch, it's obvious that, both in science and in this case, the older version is the defiled one. New information gained improves on the accuracy of old beliefs.

God hasn't left overwhelming evidence, nor has he tricked us. We trick ourselves into believing that there's a time link between a few bones we've found when digging around instead of doing what we were made to do.

God created black holes, too, and any priest who says otherwise is an idiot. The thing is that no black hole is near enough for us to even get to it in a long time. God also made gravity itself, and it's not deadly unless people get high and purposely throw themselves into danger--you don't fall off the middle of a mesa, you fall off the edge of one.

See I hear, 'god created this' What proof exactly do you have that a god created a black hole? The bible is one thing but then going beyond the limit to saying things like god created this, when there is no proof of it...

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The fact of the matter is that everything exists was created by God. If it wasn't, it wouldn't exist. There's simply no explanation for the universe's existence that a human could find logical.
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