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| Redhalberd | Aug 9 2006, 01:57 AM Post #136 |
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Okay fine, mabye im a little edgy. Mabye because i just got back from fucking band camp at 90 degrees celsius (intentional), and forgot my goddamm binder at school. Now please may you all get back on topic. |
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| sheegothhunter | Aug 9 2006, 02:22 AM Post #137 |
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as much as i would like to piss redhalberd off, heres a nice reply! --------------------
no no, your just denser than a rock. *slightly racial topic* africans have changed, skin color wise, over a long time. true! but guess what. that isnt evolution. thas adaptation, its simple change. if you think thats evolution, you think that black people are a different species then white people because they evolved (skin color changed). that sounds pretty stupid to me.
@troid: your saying that 1% of a generation can produce more than 99% of it? wtf? but thanks for clearing up that example.
first off: evolution has NO PROOF in any way that ANYTHING has evolved. Darwin himself SAID that evolution is a theory, and it cant be observed or proved. second off: no, the fox thing.... what the end result will be a fox that is very like a dog. but is still a fox. he didnt change the dna, he just selected traits to pass on to make it very doglike. so its still a fox third: no, evolution is not the same as adaptation. besides what i have already explained, adaptation is real and can be observed, while evolution is not proved, not observed, and not real ![]() and for eveyone complaining about the topic (which is responsible im not insulting) this topic, of creation vs evolution, is vital in the "is jesus real?" topic. because before we can discuss the legitimacy of jesus, we must explain the legitimacy of god. ![]() and by they way, arent you forgetting something? that something does not come from nothing. even if we evolved, what created what we evolved from? there had to be someone to make the very first cell of life on this planet. someone to make the planet, someone to make the gass and rocks that some people think formed the planet naturally. no matter what your theory, there had to be a beginning and someone to make it. lets see what else should i add..... im not going to get into the amphibians thing cause.... it doesnt matter and i dont care... feedback time! |
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| Troid92 | Aug 9 2006, 04:35 AM Post #138 |
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1% to 5% is only a 4% difference. Meaning some of the non-hairy monkeys would die, so the hairy monkey percentage would increase.
A scientific theory is something that CAN be tested actually. It has to be able to be tested and proven, otherwise it couldn't even be a scientific hypothesis, the stage before a theory. Plus hey, gravity is only a theory, too, and it's not like you can't test that. *drops a pencil*
Those traits are genes on the DNA, you know. <_< So the DNA did in fact change, otherwise there could be no traits passed down.
........... Evolution is the long-term idea of adaptation. They go hand in hand. <_< DNA can change all it wants, so if there's adaptation involved, then why wouldn't there be evolution as well? It's not like there's any spiritual force keeping the DNA of a species within 50 gene changes of its "normal" DNA... Because DNA can't tell what it's supposed to be, it thinks it's perfectly normal all the time. Well, if it could think >_>;
Yup. Asking if Jesus is (or was) real brings up pretty much every religion vs. science debate. As long as it doesn't get into Holy Grail vs. Solar Systems it's fine.
Actually, that last statement is false. Because I believe there was a beginning but nobody created it <_< In simple experiments, bits and pieces of DNA and amino acids can be created. What I believe is that over time just one modern cell happened to come from that. All it would take is one cell. Plus there are many simpler forms of cells than the ones most people think of. |
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| DeProgrammer | Aug 9 2006, 06:08 AM Post #139 |
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A few pages ago: Humans could be considered amphibious because they live in water before they are born and are supposedly capable of continuing to live in water if they are born into it--they kinda have gills. Evolution: Darwin said, "If my theory is not proven in about a hundred years, it's probably incorrect," or something to that extent. Natural selection: Essentially random mutations need an explanation. When they have a feasible explanation, natural selection can be proven possible. Otherwise, immunity traits and whatnot have been around for a long time, but the creatures simply haven't had things like that used on them yet. There is no different DNA structure (of course the attributes held by the DNA are different) in an ant that is immune to Raid and an ant that is not. "Something came from nothing" is a rule of this universe. It applies to everything in this universe, as we have proven. God is not in this universe. This is how God does not require a creator of his own. |
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| sheegothhunter | Aug 9 2006, 07:25 AM Post #140 |
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then where did all 'that' come from. there had to be something to begin with, an object doesnt just poof out of nowhere, without some spiritual explanation. and something does not come from nothing.... thats impossible. and it hasnt been proven.... either. so mr mccoy, i dont know what you are talking about! |
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| King metroid | Aug 9 2006, 10:16 AM Post #141 |
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wait, whats this all got to do with jesus? |
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| Redhalberd | Aug 9 2006, 12:23 PM Post #142 |
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Umm, no, sorry, your wrong, because adaptation and mutation cause evolution. All humans currently on the earth are homo sapiens, but that'll eventually change. If you send one human to mars and one to venus (assuming they survive), do you think that in a billion years, if the two results met each other, they would be anything alike?? No, because one would be adapted to a hot planet, while the other would be adapted to a planet similar to earth, but less water. Adaptation + natural selection Causes evolution. And piss me off, it doesnt bother me, it wont dent my ego. |
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| Liksmaskaren | Aug 9 2006, 12:37 PM Post #143 |
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I think the problem is that the religious christians only have an old book while the atheists have new facts all the time. That's why they can't accept new information about the universe. The book is to old, they were'nt as smart as we are today when they wrote that book. |
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| sheegothhunter | Aug 9 2006, 03:56 PM Post #144 |
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in case you missed your own typing, you said that WAS evolution. but now your saying it causes evolution? make up your mind.
thats just what evolutioninsts think. adaptation and mutation have been observed, and proven. evolution has not. so saying that adaptation leads to evolution is JUST AN EXCUSE FOR EVOLUTIONISTS THAT HAVE NEVER OBSERVED EVOLUTION. they just say that it could happen AFTER adaptation, or with severe amounts of adaptation, over a long time. well guess what, thats a nice excuse but you will never observe evolution. only adaptation, and mutation. humans cannot adapt very well. (we dont grow a fur coat when its cold) so if we went to another planet, we would create an artificial habitat similar to earth's, to survive. |
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| DeProgrammer | Aug 9 2006, 04:45 PM Post #145 |
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The fact that something can't come from nothing truly cannot be proven; however, it becomes more likely the truth as time goes on as long as nothing is created out of nowhere. Evolution requires a change in DNA structure. I've never heard of adaptation or mutation changing the structure of DNA. Religious Christians don't "just have an old book" and aren't "incapable of accepting new information". I'd say I know more knowledgeable Christians than atheists--as my prime example, I'll use BGNG and his vast knowledge of computers, from very-low-level processing to higher-level programming. (And yes, that is information about the universe--everything contained in the universe is part of the universe, after all.) Sheegothhunter is correct about the artificial habitat. That was my first thought--people like to stay at a comfortable temperature at all times, so they don't have the chance to adapt. EDIT: Well, I can't really say Sheegothhunter is correct for certain. Sorry, I meant "Sheegoth hunter is likely correct." |
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| sheegothhunter | Aug 9 2006, 06:51 PM Post #146 |
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lol i think so. but wait which side are you on ?
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| Redhalberd | Aug 9 2006, 07:32 PM Post #147 |
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BTW, @ Mccoy. We dont have a chance to adapt, but other creatures do. Adaption is evolution. So is mutation. Together, they create the variety we see today. I didnt change my mind, i simply worded it differently to penetrate.
Dude, that's just ignorance. If "thats just what evolutionists think is your answer, than your denying fact. Evolution was a theory, but now, it's been proven. Adaptation does lead to evolution, and it doesnt happen after adaptation. Adaptation is evolution, but on a very small scale (as i explained earlier). Also, mutation is evolution on a very small scale. And nothing is stopping us from observing evolution. Evolution is slowly changing into a different creature. And yes, say people move to mars. They would make the enviornment similar to earths, but somet things are beyond their control. For example, mars has less gravity than earth, so peole would grow taller, but be frailer and weaker than their earthen cousins. That alone doesnt make them a new species, but put together every other variable in the enviornment + time, and you will have a new species eventually. And yes, we have proven evolution, and creationists deny it. That's why wooly mammoths had thick fur, while elephants have sparse hair. Ice age = savana. Why did the few surviving mamoths change to elephants?? The ice age ending. And mammoths and elephants are a different species. Your just stubborn, and your sayig evolutionists "think" when you refuse to see the proof in front of your eyes. And yes, more proof of evoltuion is found every single day. |
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| Troid92 | Aug 9 2006, 07:41 PM Post #148 |
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Oh, I think I understand what you're saying now. I just found this page through Google. According to this, it doesn't happen through regular genetic mutations. Now to figure out how valid that article is >_> |
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| Liksmaskaren | Aug 9 2006, 08:11 PM Post #149 |
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Read this and then explain to me how there can't be any evolution in the world. |
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| Redhalberd | Aug 9 2006, 09:19 PM Post #150 |
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Nuff said. Even if you still dont think theirs enough proof for evolution (though there is), theres more than enough proof against creationism. Im not saying i dont respect religious people, i just think it's rather far fetched and illogical. |
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