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| Guns; Yay or nay? | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: May 20 2006, 10:43 PM (872 Views) | |
| Pomegranate | May 25 2006, 02:26 AM Post #31 |
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but there are more ppl doing nothing wrong that own guns then ppl that get shot. of course though the ppl that get shot would be a lot more angry then the ppl that just had their guns taken away. XD |
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| Timmeh | May 25 2006, 02:27 AM Post #32 |
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...>_> Yes, quite a bit more angry. |
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| Liksmaskaren | May 25 2006, 05:44 AM Post #33 |
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I find guns bad. America is a strange place, and I think that all americans that thinks that guns are for fun should be disarmed and poked to death by their 30th birthday in five generations. |
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| Czar Dragon | May 25 2006, 11:10 PM Post #34 |
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Falling off a cliff doesnèt mean someone pushed you.
Dude! Taking guns away would lower the murder rate. just think for a moment. You have a better chance to live by getting hit with a rock than by being shot, and also you get a chance to put up a fight. You also have a much better chance to dodge a rock than to dodge a bullet.
In Canada it is rare to see guns being held by someone(excluding cops and hunters) unless it's a BB gun or a paint ball gun.
What you read was a myth. And most myths are false, some rediculously false. You breathe in and out about 350 times a day(just an estimate). so If therr were 128,000 people dying a year don't you think we would be extinct. I agree with Tim, guns shouldn't be used by anyone other than hunters or cops. Atleast than it would make it a lower chance for some killer to get a gun. |
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| Metroid Fanatic | May 25 2006, 11:22 PM Post #35 |
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Actually, that seems reasonable. You know, there is such thing as a birth rate, Red Phazon. <_< |
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| Timmeh | May 25 2006, 11:44 PM Post #36 |
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350? Once every two seconds * 30 * 60 * 24 > 350 Try over 40 thousand. Now, take THAT and multiply by 356. 14 240 000 That's a bit more like it =P I'm not sure if that figure is believable, though, to be honest. |
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| Czar Dragon | May 25 2006, 11:51 PM Post #37 |
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Still like Tim said, you would breath once every 2 seconds, all that adds up to an extremely high amount of breths. There is no way a birth rate could be that high. If it was the world would be more crowded, dead people would be berried deaper and people would have to be berried on top of each other |
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| Metroid Fanatic | May 26 2006, 01:24 AM Post #38 |
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"Each year, an estimated 3.2 million stillbirths occur worldwide, according to a new study involving data from 103 countries in all regions of the world." -http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/news/fullstory_33028.html |
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| Czar Dragon | May 26 2006, 01:31 AM Post #39 |
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14.2 Million deaths... That myth is fake i tell you. The worlds population is increasing not decreasing. I'm not saying that the death rate is 14.2 million, I'm saying that it isn't that high. |
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| MetroidSlayer17 | Jun 11 2006, 03:02 AM Post #40 |
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"The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed." -The 2nd Amendment If you understood guns, you would know that the founding fathers knew and know better than you. What you are proposing, taking away guns from the people, is a blatant violation of the Second Amendment. If you don't live in the US, then it is a violation of the right of self-defence all the same. You say that taking away guns would reduce crime, no? Well, someone like me, who is physically strong, could just break into whomever's house, snap the husband's neck and make off with their wife. If he were armed, however, I would likely get what I would deserve for such a thing- a 9mm heart attack. Guns are tools, not inherently weapons. It is easier to use a gun to blow open a lock than it is to hit an animal with it. The user could use the tool as a weapon, should the need or situation arise. If everyone who isn't a felon was armed, then the would-be felon would think twice about using his tool, in this case a firearm, for evil. Allow me to quote from Wayne LaPierre's book (minus the formatting)- Guns, Crime, and Freedom "On Feb. 27, black-uniformed men of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms wearing "coal scuttle" helmets and carrying German-made machine pistols attacked the Branch Davidian compound in Waco, Texas. Fifty years earlier, in January 1943, black-uniformed SS men wearing "coal scuttle" helmets and carrying German-made machine pistols attacked the Jewish compound in Warsaw, Poland. The BATF men were searching for illegal weapons reported by a paid informant to be in the Branch Davidian Compound. The SS men were searching for illegal weapons reported by a paid informant to be in the Warsaw ghetto. Reports from Texas indicate the Branch Davidians kept to themselves and harmed no one outside their compound prior to the BATF assault. History tells us the Jews kept to themselves and harmed no one outside the Warsaw ghetto prior to the SS assault. The U.S. broadcast news media tell us that the Branch Davidians practice comtemptible sexual rituals involving young children, so they are an evil religious cult. Nazi news media told the German populace that the Jews practiced contemptible sexual rituals involving children, so they were an evil religion. The BATF invited the U.S. news media to document the BATF assault to show the American public how dangerous the Branch Davidians are. The SS had propagandists document its assault to show the German public how dangerous the Jews were. Four BATF men were killed and 16 wounded in the initial assault on the Branch Davidian compound. Eleven SS men were killed and an unrecorded number wounded in the initial assault on the Warsaw ghetto. After the initial assault, the BATF men magnanimously arranged a truce so children could be evacuated from the Branch Davidian Compound (and they could tend to their casualties). After their initial assault, the SS men magnanimously arranged a truce so children could be evacuated from the Warsaw ghetto compound (and they could tend to their casualties). The BATF called up military units with armored vehicles to finish off the Branch Davidian Compound after encountering fierce resistance against the initial assault. The SS called up military units with armored vehicles to finish off the Warsaw ghetto after encountering fierce resistance after the initial assault. Fifty years have passed, but little has changed." End quote. Anyone has the right to own a gun. Whether they will use it for right or not is their choice. But putting a bandaid on the situation like you suggest will not help matters at all. Do you really want your government to have 100% authority over you? Because the Constitution says the government is by the people and for the people. Not for Big Brother. A wise man once told me how gun control works. Legislation, registration, confiscation, extermination. In legislation, the people's power, their firearms, is, at least on paper, taken away. Legislation was Hitler's first step too, by the way. Next the Gestapo... err... BATF would want to register your guns, a needless process that hides an ugly, evil motive- know where the power lies. When Hitler came to power, men who enjoyed shooting bolt-action rifles at targets were told to join the Wermacht (War Effort) is they wanted to shoot "military rifles." If their rifles were not given up, they would all be registered, and placed on the Gestapo's "hit list," rounding out Hitler's confiscation phase. Eventually, the Gestapo would raid the target house, and murder the owner of the firearm(s), usually the father, and confiscate the firearms, completing the extermination phase. Now, the Jews and whomever else were deemed as "undermicht" (inferior races) would be at the mercy of a lunatic, for their one power and their voice before the government was lost. It took just 10 mostly cheap handguns to repel an assault by the elite SS in Warsaw. Now imagine if the Jews had still been armed. You see, our politicians of today aren't quite as different from their Uncle Adolf as they want you to think. Gun control is like communism- it sounds pretty on the outside (although not to those who understand its mechanics), but it is ugly and corrupt on the inside. |
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| smartdude47 | Jun 11 2006, 03:07 AM Post #41 |
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i....refuse to read all of that! my opinion is that guns are a tool, and their properties and attributes are a reflection of the wielder's! yes...i made that up...you may all clap........NOW! er....maybe not, anyway, daz is right, guns will always be there! however, if we gave everyone a chocolate bar this problem would be solved! |
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| Timmeh | Jun 11 2006, 04:00 AM Post #42 |
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I deleted everything citing the 2nd amendment, because that's not a valid argument. "They said so!" doesn't work. I'm deleting anything that's a maybe or sometimes or probably, because you're only adressing one side of the issue. If one guy pisses a guy with a gun off, he will "likely" shoot him. That's the other side. Guns kill people, we know that, we need to know the statistics for either side, not isolated cases. I'm deleting the huge quote, cause it's too long, and I ask you to explain what the point of it was. I didn't see anything relevant to the discussion in there. We're not talking about firearms raids. We're talking about guns that kill people. Now I'm going to adress everything else: Firstly, yes, guns are inherently weapons. They were made as weapons, and when they are used, they are used probably over 99% of the time as weapons, with the exclusion of guns made for something else (which we're not concerned with right now) You're right, it's their choice what they use them for, no one cares about that. All those people that are shot each year? Whatever, it was a choice. We might as well hand out atom bombs! I REALLY hope you just misworded that, because if you didn't, that's one of the most bigoted and bullshitted arguments I've seen in a while. If you did misword it, and you just meant that everyone has the right to a gun, then this falls under the deletion policy of the 2nd amendment thing. Rights are granted by governments. We're not discussing governments as they are, we're discussing morals and people, and the way governments as they should be. Y helo thar, anarchist. Yes, I do like my governments making laws, thank you. Saving lives is neither 100% authoriy, nor is it against the people. I don't see you complaining about seatbelt regulations. A wise man once told you something that you twisted, shat on, beat, ate, regurgitated, put through a trash compactor, and marketed as "Grade A Bullshit" You've got NO idea how sick I am of "Well, I'm right, because you're hitler" arguments. EVERY FUCKING LAW starts with legislation. Gun registration is already in place, so don't even try that argument. Confiscation and extermination are already in place for controlled substances, like drugs, or explosives. Don't give me your Hitler shit. |
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| smartdude47 | Jun 11 2006, 04:19 AM Post #43 |
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first off, i would like to say i dont believe there was ever a man, second off, timaster, you had some good points there and all but do us a favor and... DONT BE A TOTAL ASS ABOUT IT! thank you, we listen to your opinions, and you dont have to flame somebody, you are not an overlord, and are not always right, so dont act like it, and if you really are reasonable, and do not get pissed all the time when humbled, than please rather than comment this, simply please make better use of the forum than what you just used it for. thank you for reading!
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| OmegaMetroid2486 | Jun 11 2006, 10:47 AM Post #44 |
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Guns....The pinnacle of whatever intelligence humans had in the 1500s... |
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| Timmeh | Jun 11 2006, 04:09 PM Post #45 |
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I agree, but where's the post telling MetroidSlayer not to be a total ass? He compared me to Hitler, is that somehow better than throwing a couple of curse words at him? For your information, Hitler was a far worse person than your average "stupid fuck," and his ideas were far more than "Grade A Bullshit." It's bad enough hearing the Hitler argument from my brother for every single argument he makes, without knowing that there are equally moronic arguments present in this forum. I absolutely refuse to apologize or acknowledge that I was wrong unless MetroidSlayer does it first. Comparing me to Hitler is about the worst insult I can think of. |
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