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Royal Marines
Tweet Topic Started: Apr 30 2006, 11:01 PM (1,032 Views)
Gold Leader	Jun 8 2006, 11:30 AM Post #31
Omega Pirate Posts: 1,068 Group: Members Member #119 Joined: February 13, 2005	Quote: less-than-veteran Can't blame you there, I'm not that proficient at AC3D either. Well, the blockiness makes it look more human, but I take it the ship was stolen from aliens judging by your question? gegojr, marines in the modern army have crew cuts. I suspect that here they treat them the same way, hence hair short enough to fit comfortably in a helmet?



-058-	Jun 8 2006, 01:28 PM Post #32
Elite Pirate Posts: 529 Group: Members Member #264 Joined: May 6, 2005	Uh, no, it's a totally Human ship. The question was a misunderstanding upon if you meant I had taken the design from another artist, or if you meant which faction it belonged to. Crew-cuts aren't actually required after the first day(to my knowledge), but it does stand to reason to keep hair short if you're in the military. Besides, I already have a character--one who is not the one in armour--who has a ponytail.
	There is something... ...Greater than your friends... ...Greater than your family... ...Greater than the entire world... ...and it starts here.


magmoormaster	Jun 8 2006, 05:17 PM Post #33
Elite Pirate Posts: 912 Group: Members Member #337 Joined: July 3, 2005	DUDE! the flawless as you call it looks awesome! maybe we could use it for our game... except that its not halo...
	Whatever happens to us as individuals, some things never die, can never die so long as we look into our hearts and look at the stars and truly see... and remember. Late Knight Productions


-058-	Jun 8 2006, 06:01 PM Post #34
Elite Pirate Posts: 529 Group: Members Member #264 Joined: May 6, 2005	Sure isn't.
	There is something... ...Greater than your friends... ...Greater than your family... ...Greater than the entire world... ...and it starts here.


Gold Leader	Jun 8 2006, 09:09 PM Post #35
Omega Pirate Posts: 1,068 Group: Members Member #119 Joined: February 13, 2005	Hmm, about the hair, is that character a tomboy? The crew cut would make sense then...



Timmeh	Jun 8 2006, 09:13 PM Post #36
The Electryc Penys Posts: 3,481 Group: Old Team Member #10 Joined: January 27, 2005	magmoormaster,Jun 8 2006 01:17 PM DUDE! the flawless as you call it looks awesome! maybe we could use it for our game... except that its not halo... For your 2D, on the ground, Halo game? <_<



MetroidSlayer17	Jun 8 2006, 10:28 PM Post #37
Sheegoth Posts: 257 Group: Members Member #322 Joined: June 26, 2005	Just thought about this, but if that alien's skin can repel small arms fire... then it would easily repel a .357 magnum. Compared to even a .223 (at ranges longer than 75 yards) the .357 magnum is a pretty dinky round. Heck, if you want to kill that thing, you could just make a .243 revolver or something similarly powerful ( if the shooter can stand up to the recoil.) Besides, large caliber doesn't equal lots of power. A .45 ACP caliber handgun, for instance, is about a sixth as powerful as a .30-06 caliber rifle, but a .30-06 caliber rifle is about a fourth as powerful as a .50 BMG caliber rifle. The difference is all in velocity (for stopping power) and sectional density (for penetration.) I have already explained velocity, but not sectional density. An arrow has excellent sectional density, allowing it to penetrate through sandbags that a 8X57 can't. Suffice to say that the closer a projectile's shape is to an arrow's the more effectively it will penetrate (which is why the DU penetrator rounds are so effective.)



Gold Leader	Jun 8 2006, 11:31 PM Post #38
Omega Pirate Posts: 1,068 Group: Members Member #119 Joined: February 13, 2005	The Gauss rifle in StarCraft uses 8mm Uranium-tipped spike rounds which have a point smaller than one thousandth of an inch. MS17, how effective would that be considering your info?



-058-	Jun 9 2006, 01:51 AM Post #39
Elite Pirate Posts: 529 Group: Members Member #264 Joined: May 6, 2005	Right, because CQB usually occurs at distances greater than seventy meters? It's not the alien's skin, it's semi-organic self-repairing exoskeletal armour plating. A .223 round can hardly penetrate modern body armour; it is most certainly not used in this particular universe. The smallest standard rifle round is a 6.8. As for .357, a Magnum shot at five feet will go through near anything. And if it doesn't, the kinetic force of being slammed with a bullet that big at supersonic speeds will pretty much incapacitate the target and shatter a good deal of insides near the impact site. At distances where a rifle round would be more effective, a rifle is used. That's why they issue rifles as standard weapons as opposed to handguns--it's just that at five feet, not only is a Magnum handgun gonna dish out more punch, it's gonna do it faster and with more agility. It's a lot easier to swing a pistol around to target after target than it is a rifle, as well as being more compact and less encumbering, and easier to quickly aim and fire. No, Gold Leader, she is not a tomboy, she's a soldier. Soldiers don't get long hair because it tends to get caught in things which can cause the soldier to end up dead. The Gauss weapons used by infantry forces aren't like the ones used in Starcraft--there are very few handheld Gauss weapons, and those few are semi-automatic, long-range armour-piercing or anti-personelle sniper weapons.
	There is something... ...Greater than your friends... ...Greater than your family... ...Greater than the entire world... ...and it starts here.


MetroidSlayer17	Jun 9 2006, 07:12 PM Post #40
Sheegoth Posts: 257 Group: Members Member #322 Joined: June 26, 2005	Gold Leader,Jun 8 2006 11:31 PM The Gauss rifle in StarCraft uses 8mm Uranium-tipped spike rounds which have a point smaller than one thousandth of an inch. MS17, how effective would that be considering your info? Not so good. Even DU can't hold an edge when it is that thin Then again, if the tip isn't just that 1/1000 of an inch, it would be very potent at 8X57 velocities. So if I am understanding you that it just narrows to 1/1000 of an inch, then that would be one powerful round. To 58- Have you ever shot any firearm? A handgun is extremely hard to use. No matter what distance, a rifle in .223 or above is 100% better than any pistol .380 ACP and above. When firing a pistol, only your hands are there to support the thing, producing two results. One is tremendous recoil, as only your hands are bracing against the gun. Two is the result that it is hard to hold the pistol steady, since you can't brace it against any large part of the body. Also, the .223 is very effective at penetrating all body-armor at distances up to 400 yards, save for SAPI plates. Heck, the only thing that will penetrate a SAPI plate is a full-powered rifle round, or .243 and up. And penetrate it will. A .223 out of an M-16 will penetrate about 27 inches of soft tissue (muscle,) which is enough to kill something as weak as a human, even with armor on. A 30-06 out of a M1 Garand, however, will penetrate 60-something inches into soft tissue. A .50BMG will penetrate around 300 inches into the same tissue.



-058-	Jun 9 2006, 07:25 PM Post #41
Elite Pirate Posts: 529 Group: Members Member #264 Joined: May 6, 2005	Contrarily, the entire reason the M-16 uses a smaller round is because it was thought that wounding an enemy and capturing him, rather than outright killing him, would be more tactically intelligent. A .223 has trouble penetrating sandbags, and even hiding behind light brush can slow the bullet enough to make it survivable unarmoured. In Somalia, there were reports of enemies taking more than five direct hits before going down for good from the 5.56 millimeter round. Also, the bullet fired from an M-16 is a lot less viable at ranges below fifty yards, as it's still superheated from the explosion of propellant--someone hit with an M-16's bullet at those ranges is much more likely to survive, as the bullet is prone to tumble or shatter. Handguns are designed for close-quarters combat, where you don't NEED to brace it, you just need to loose a lot of munitions in someone's general direction. Rifles aren't good for that because at such close ranges, it's difficult to bring the weapon to bear on multiple opponents, it's bulky, and as previously stated, can be less powerful at close ranges, while a high-powered handgun can deliver crippling or fatal injuries rather quickly, is eaily snapped-to a new target, and doesn't impede the user's mobility.
	There is something... ...Greater than your friends... ...Greater than your family... ...Greater than the entire world... ...and it starts here.


Gold Leader	Jun 10 2006, 02:21 AM Post #42
Omega Pirate Posts: 1,068 Group: Members Member #119 Joined: February 13, 2005	Even though I'm finding this discusison extremely interesting, we are off topic. But hell, keep going if you want to Maybe we should start one just for this MS17, taking into account what you said about the SC Gauss Rifle, would it be able to pierce say, a foot of a metal maybe 50% stronger than our titanium or steel today? (I'm attempting to rationalize this weapon's efectiveness against the foes in SC, in this case a tank. Sorry if that's too many variables up there.)



smartdude47	Jun 10 2006, 02:27 AM Post #43
Omega Pirate Posts: 1,427 Group: Members Member #705 Joined: April 9, 2006	handguns can be more accurate if you simply steady them, for instance against a wall, or your other hand which could be against your hip or something, but other than that, handguns totally aren't that good, and are a last resort....just a question, who here actually has shot a firearm of any type...(not counting bb gun and paintball gun....and any other that is not really a firearm, you get the point). i really hope that if you want to make a gun, you have shot one, because a video game is far different, if you think people will fly back from a shotgun blast like in re4, than you are in for a great surprise!
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Gold Leader	Jun 10 2006, 02:39 AM Post #44
Omega Pirate Posts: 1,068 Group: Members Member #119 Joined: February 13, 2005	I've never fired one.. yet.. Going to a shooting gallery sometime this year >_> Well, I've seen the kind of recoil from a Beretta which doesn't seem that bad. It only takes a second to re-allign yourself with a target not more than 20 meters from your standpoint, but what smartdude said is true. Handguns are last resort, nothing more. Of course, at extremely close range (-58-: .. at five feet...) a handgun would be preferable, but by the time an enemy is that close, you're probably dead unless your surprising him. In this futuristic case dealing with a highly advanced enemy which is practically wiping out human armies, I don't think it would even be economical for the millitary to arm soldiers with almost useless weapons such as handguns. Give them compact, HE grenades. They wouldn't be that expensive and could still blow through a wall or light vehicle unlike a handgun. Sure, they don't have alot of range, but they pack more punch at roughly the same distance... Does that sound right to you guys or no?



Czar Dragon	Jun 10 2006, 02:55 AM Post #45
Elite Pirate Posts: 837 Group: Members Member #663 Joined: March 9, 2006	one question. What does HE stand for?


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