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| Tweet Topic Started: Oct 23 2012, 09:15 PM (568 Views) | |
| craftman | Oct 23 2012, 09:15 PM Post #1 |
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Conference National
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Sometimes in life things arnt aways what they seem , but tonight it was exactly what it seemed . Grove were beatan by the better team , not a particularly good team , but never the less the better team . This Grove team seem clueless , lacking any creativity , relying on constant hopeful long balls with no end product . Then take the option of changing things by bringing on fresh legs ( with less than 10 mins to go ) , poor JJ must wonder what he has to do to get in the team. I'm not one to see a manager moved on , but I can't see what Shaun brings to this team , a bench left redundant , virtually no vocal encouragement and a style of football tonight that won't win many matches. Rant almost over , I can't knock the players efforts or commitment , but something's got to change ! PS Kinsey worked his bollocks off again , but he isn't a miracle worker without any decent supply he's unlikely to score. :angry: |
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| holly10 | Oct 23 2012, 11:01 PM Post #2 |
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Playing in the park
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Surely at this level of football players are employed for their skill? lol Don't they know what to do, even if it is to try that litle bit harder, run a little bit faster, put a more determined tackle in, oh no, they have to wait for the manager to tell them. It is the players who are being paid to do the job, it is so frustrating watching, when I could play better myself at 64 years old |
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| honda | Oct 24 2012, 07:20 AM Post #3 |
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League 2
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Craftman , Was,t there so can,t comment on the match but you have watched the beautiful game long enough for me to know that your,s and Reece,s assessment will always be fair . Motivation and ability plays a big part in being able to manage, in the factory ,in the office, on site or wherever one is given such responsibilty, but in my opinion Shaun don,t cut the mustard at this level. After the "meet the manager " night earlier this year I said after hearing Shaun speak, that although he sounded plausible enough he never put any flesh on the bones, that he talked the talk but could he walk the walk?, to some people it may seem that I am conducting a witch hunt against Shaun, I can assure you my only agenda is to see K,A,F,C, progress at all levels regardless of whoever is in the "hot seat". This Saturday the reserves have got a tough game on their hands but win or lose I will guarantee that each and every man on the park will give 110% for K,A,F,C, each other, and not least for Carl and Scott, plus there will be several team members there who are not able (for various reasons) to play, encouraging their teamates on, I ain,t for one minute saying that the reserves are the bees knees what I am saying is that there is a totally different attitude right across the board in the reserve set up. Since my initial anti John Rowley stance I have seen the monumental effort that he puts in for K,A,F,C,and have been eating big portions of humble pie ever since,but I do feel that it is time for a him to take stock of the situation before it is too late. |
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| honda | Oct 24 2012, 07:28 AM Post #4 |
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League 2
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Holly, You at 64 may be able to play better but are you one of the boys ? if not you would,nt get a game (witness J, J )
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| reece1 | Oct 24 2012, 08:33 AM Post #5 |
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Premier League
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it seems at the moment we have a few decent players and some that are just making up the numbers.i find it hard to believe congleton have picked up liam newman now who hit three goals last night in a 7-1 win.liam was prolific at winsford before joining witton albion,chris smith was a decent forward hitting 46 for flixton i believe before jioning castle where he was frozen out to budrys and thompson in their championship winning campaign.were these players approached,i watched congleton at stone before smith was on contract,didnt see anyone from kidsgrove.WE should be able to find players other than from stone and norton before clubs in lower leagues snap them up and achieve success.IM not saying all the players shaun has found are poor ,far from it,just we need to look at other clubs more or remember decent players from the last couple of years who can still do a good job |
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| coop | Oct 24 2012, 08:54 AM Post #6 |
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Evo-Stik Premier
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| Hoover | Oct 24 2012, 08:09 PM Post #7 |
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Playing in the park
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I agree 100% coop. To suggest our players or management give less than 100% is a bit disrespectful. I accept its all about opinions. A criticism about a team performance is one thing and sometimes fair, but to question commitment levels or an individuals ability is neither fair, healthy or helpful on an open forum, and should perhaps be looked at by 'forum administrators'. |
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| honda | Oct 24 2012, 09:00 PM Post #8 |
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League 2
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Hoover, Open forum !!! you,ve got it in one, opinions good or bad can be discussed on here, I do agree that "personal digs" commenting on issues other than ability are a little undesirable but as for needing the adminstrator,s monitoring on football matters I must disagree with you. The vast majority of forum contributors are known to each other and do not hide behind nom-de-plumes, which then makes for a more open exchange of views. There is no question that the majority of the first team set up do give 100% effort but to use an analagy , if you do all your swimming in the local swimming pool then 100% ain,t going to be enough if you attempt to swim the English Channel , somewhat of an extreme example but I,m sure you get what I mean. For myself, I am fairly new to the Grove fans fraternity but I have seen many "old heads "being shaken this term at the present state of affairs, and many supporters are genuinely concerned at the none progress being made. |
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| Blue Mugge | Oct 24 2012, 09:03 PM Post #9 |
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Evo-Stik Division One
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[Employed ???? These players get expenses at best] Coop, you and I both know that this is rubbish !! Referees and officials get expenses on top of a flat fee, which is calculated at a rate per mile. Name me a player whose wages are paid at a rate per mile - and I aren't talking about when they use their own car to take themselves and other players to an away match as this is paid on top of their "wages" to save the cost of a coach. If they are only paid "expenses", how is it that some players get double the expenses that others get - irrespective of where they live? The word "expenses" is mainly used when referring to a player's remuneration when dealing with the HMRC. I believe that up to a £100 per week - you may know the exact figure -can be classed as expenses and anything over this is subject to tax. I am sure that between us we could name SEVERAL players at Evostik level who receive well over a £100 per week !! Some of these players would play at Staffs County League level if you paid them the same amount, as the money is all that matters. There are definitely players out there who are not 100% committed to their club, although I am not implying that any in the current Kidsgrove squad fall into this category. Unfortunately, even at this level, money can usually buy success as the best players go to where they will get the most "expenses" ! |
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| Still singing the blues | Oct 24 2012, 09:13 PM Post #10 |
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Conference North
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Twaddle If you can't come on an independent forum and give your honest opinion of what you think about a game you have paid to see, without fear of 'big brother' looking over your shoulder, then its time for us all to pack in as supporters. If someone is crap then why should we not be able to say that amongst our fellow fans? Grove fans don't tend to go over the top with excessive bad language and don't tend to get too personal (unlike fans from other clubs we could mention) so what's the problem with a bit of banter. And if you know commitment levels are not what they were, why should you not question these as well. I can't say what the exact levels of commitment are this season but I know for a fact that, on the whole, they don't measure up to the last few seasons. I'm not blaming Shaun for all of this either. After all he has a busy full time job. But that's exactly why his commitment level can be nothing like Wardy's last season. Wardy was retired and lived every minute for the football. He was obviously more committed because he had more time to be committed. That was just a question of circumstance. However, this commitment filters through to the players. Hence, last season, the likes of Scruff and Hodgy could be persuaded to play Saturday's and midweek games even though they had better paid things to do - the commitment came from the top. I don't know what the answer is and I don't know if the right thing is for Shaun to carry on or not - that not for any of us to say. However, I think we are perfectly entitled to voice our opinion on our own fans website, as we have always done. After all, there's nothing stopping Shaun putting his argument across, as previous managers have done. I can't think for one minute Alan would start deleting posts because someone had the temerity to suggest that a certain player wasn't good enough. But the minute this started happening would be the minute I stopped logging on to the site to see what was happening. |
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| dogbox | Oct 24 2012, 10:42 PM Post #11 |
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Evo-Stik Premier
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As I've said previously I really don't think players turn up not to give %100 but because they love playing the game no matter what expenses they are or not getting & a lot of grove players no doubt are playing Sunday football to which shows how much they love the game. As for naming of players on this forum then in my opinion they don't have a choice as long as it is about football the players would be more than happy to receive praise & plaudits when they do well so they do have to accept criticism especially when it's from those that have paid £7 to watch them that's part & parcel of the game. |
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| AlanL | Oct 25 2012, 08:12 AM Post #12 |
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Administrator
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Before I comment on any individual aspects on how I administer the forum, I think it's worth pointing out that the vast majority of posts on here are respectful in tone, don't use bad language and have something constructive to say. You only have to look back at the thread prior to the Loughborough game - lots of people posting with different viewpoints while taking on board what others were saying. I read every post (even Honda's jokes!!). Occassionally, there may be one that could be deemed a little controversial, and that's where I make judgements as to whether the content is appropriate. I rarely, rarely delete posts (except those that are spam) for the following reasons: 1. It's an open forum, yes. So are the bar after the game, the pub, the stands. Over the years I've seen forums disppear after a couple of comments criticising a player/official/director etc. I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but shutting down a forum doesn't stop people thinking what they've put. The usual consequence of doing so is to generate bad blood between the fans and club - this can't be a good thing. 2. You generally create more of a fuss by adopting a heavy-handed approach to censorship. The majority of posters on here have been Grove fans for years and only have the best interests of the club at heart. As such, there is an element of "self-policing" that takes place - again see a recent thread for evidence of this in action. 3. I find other clubs' forums a useful reference point. There's far more direct criticism of players and management on those of other local clubs than there are here. I'm sure in the fullness of time, the FA will seek to have every site like this that gives fans a voice shut down. Both Mickleover and Gresley's sites carry a recently released edict from the Derbyshire FA around the use of social media, basically warning clubs not to express any negative opinions on the wonderful game that they run. It's heartening to see them taking time out on important issues like this while doing nothing to sort out racism in the game. In the meantime, I shall seek to run a forum that people enjoy visiting and that provides an open, yet respectful, enviroment in which to air opinions. |
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| michelle | Oct 25 2012, 08:56 AM Post #13 |
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Evo-Stik Division One
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I disagree STB in that Wardys commitment was greater due to him having more time. I have know lots of managers who still do a day job, have a family and more but give everything to football. Its down to the individual not how much time they have. Just my opinion :-)))))) |
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| Hoover | Oct 25 2012, 10:51 AM Post #14 |
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Playing in the park
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Great debate guys, but did not mean to undermine genuine supporters who pay good money to watch local football. I agree with all of AlanL's points (Including being subject to Hondas Jokes! Just kidding Honda keep em comming) and think that this is a fair and open forum. In fact I was only offering my own oppinion about questioning commitment levels, which understandibly is different from person to person and secondly have seen at first hand what happens when whats written on a social media board gets inside a players head. From what I have seen 99% of people on here want the Grove to do well. We would all do this in a different way which is what makes forums like this so good. The FA is treading on a minefield around the use of social media and has not a clue how to handle it. Perhaps they should let diligent administrators like AlanL do what they do best and run an interesting open forum. |
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| honda | Oct 25 2012, 03:35 PM Post #15 |
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League 2
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Hoover, Could you please have a word in Craftman,s shell like, he has slagged off every one of my jokes,It,s enough to give a bloke a complex. Thanking you in anticipation |
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