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Topic Started: Feb 24 2012, 08:18 AM (543 Views)
AlanL
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Need to pick up 3 points tomorrow to keep in touch with the group of teams above us. It would alos be nice to banish some of those memories from tha horrible defeat there earlier in the season.

Drayton may be in the bottom four, but they beat Hucknall 3-0 last week.
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ATTENTION ALL EVO-STIK CLUBS - Having a bad season? Find yourself in relegation trouble? Then get yourselves down to Kidsgrove where we'll happily hand you some points in your survival quest.

We've now played 11 games against the bottom seven sides. How many have we won? NONE. That's why our season's been such a let down and we've gone from promotion contenders to bottom half, making up the numbers.

Today was typical: we were rotten except for the last 20 minutes when Sam and Liam added some spark, too late by then.

Time to start looking to the future I think.
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Disappointing to say the least.

Shotton was the best forward player when he came on for the last 15 minutes, hard to understand why he was on the bench. Can only think of 2 chances we created in the first 75 minutes of tepid football.

Have to echo Alan's thoughts above. Apart from a couple of performances in the FA Cup and the Leek games we have largely been disappointing this season, especially at home (5 wins out of 15 in league). Although we all know that this squad of players should be doing better, it isn't and has had long enough to try.

One or two young lads must consider themselves unlucky not to feature as they are probably thinking that they can do no worse (at a fraction of the cost), as we seemed a bit clueless all over the pitch today.





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Thought we had a good tempo first half and passed it well,but never really troubled the keeper. Second half drayton much better but mr shotton did well when he came on. Tackle on scruff a disgrace,and only gets a yellow.same with danny first half. Ref must have left his red card in the changing room. :o ...... Must do better,,,!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Taxipaul
Feb 25 2012, 09:53 PM
Thought we had a good tempo first half and passed it well,but never really troubled the keeper. Second half drayton much better but mr shotton did well when he came on. Tackle on scruff a disgrace,and only gets a yellow.same with danny first half. Ref must have left his red card in the changing room. :o ...... Must do better,,,!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Taxipaul, I am in agreement with you in this instance, I think Grove played well for the first 30 monutes without creating a decent scoring chance, some of the football and passing was as good as I have seen this season, there were a couple of half chances which Walks would normally put away but apart from that it was the same old same old, we really do not work the opposing keeper half enough.
As for the tackle on Scruff I thought for one moment Norman Hunter had been reincarnated it was a disgrace,the one involving Griggsy was made in revenge for a bad tackle that Danny himself had made on their No 2 for which Danny was lucky to stay on the pitch himself.
Just where do this league get their referees and line officials from are they all cloned off of the same idiot ? I know that I get on about refs but honestly some of the decisions yesterday were beyond belief, and as for the dug out line official, he was more interested in having a running argument with Wardy and his coaches about only two people allowed to be standing by the subs dugout, it got so bad that Bucko had to stand behind the fence, UNBELIEVABLE, he even called the ref over to lecture the three of them, UNBELIEVABLE.
Heres a question for all to ponder, what different starting eleven would you have picked yesterday bearing in mind that Sam Hall had ( by his standards ) a poor game against Leek and Liam was cuptied also against Leek.
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Honda , I was looking for your assessment of the reserves game yesterday.
I know you weren't there, but you didn't need to be . Same old story - centre backs not picking up the strikers, non-existent midfield, disjointed formation and NIL instruction from the dug-out ! Does this sound familiar ? So no surprise that they lost 4-1 , against a very mediocre side.
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Heres a question for all to ponder, what different starting eleven would you have picked yesterday bearing in mind that Sam Hall had ( by his standards ) a poor game against Leek and Liam was cuptied also against Leek.


Team selection is up to the manager and its not an easy job and we can all be wise after the event. However, my opinion is that Walker and Kinsey are not the most mobile of forwards and I would have thought that Shotton would have started even though he was cup tied against Leek. Shotton's movement makes space for other players even when he is not on the ball, and I don't think the same can be said for Walker and Kinsey. Walker makes good runs in the right areas (in the box) but is not the type of player to drag defenders out of position. I am sure that the Market Drayton defenders would have been less comfortable facing Shotton than the other two. Kinsey, I think, has struggled since coming back from injury and looks a yard off the pace. Shotton aside, I think the side picked itself, although many might argue that Sam Hall could have started - again, a difficult one to call for the manager. I do think the shape of the team was a lot better with the substitutions and the urgency in the last 15 minutes was certainly better. However, against teams like Market Drayton, that urgency should be there from the start.

As already said the ref was abyssmal, but we expect nothing more these days. He booked Mulholland, deservedly, for a shove in the back on one of the players in a bit of handbags, but later their number 15, who looked like he had been wound up like a coil before coming on, shoved Griggs in the face right in front of the ref. I know Griggsy made a meal of it but nonetheless it was at least a yellow, if not a red. Consistency is all we ask for. 30 seconds later the same number 15 lunged in on Taylor for that shocking tackle which again could have been a straight red. A very lucky boy indeed to only pick up one yellow card for the two incidents.

As said by Honda, that the 'assistant ref' was more concerned with how many people were standing up in the dugout than concentrating on getting his decisions right on the pitch says volumes for the standards of modern day refereeing at this level.
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The team - as Dave says, it's easy to be wise after the event, but that's one of the good things about being a fan rather than a manager! I thought we lacked any drive in the final third for a large part of the game. We played OK for the first 30 minutes, but didn't create anything, and we're so slow getting back onside at times it's unbelievable. I thought Liam did enough against Grantham to earn a start, maybe he would have if the Staffs Cup game hadn't have come along. If we are going to split him and Kinsey over a game, I'd be interested to see Liam start and get at the defence (they couldn't get near him on Saturday) and then bring on Kinsey in the second half once they're worn down.

The ref - outside the heat of the game I accept that some decisions are very difficult: the severity of challenges, offsides, balls crossing lines etc - all judgement calls that officials (or any one of us) can get wrong or interpret differently. Not helped by players diving around, over-reacting and generally trying to con them as much as they can.

What is maddening though, is the sheer inconsistency in identical situations. On Saturday, Drayton had a free kick which their player immediately took and drove into the Grove player who could have been no more than a yard from the ball. The ball went out and the ref awarded a throw in to them. EXACTLY the same thing happened at Shepshed earlier in the season, only this time the ref booked the Kidsgrove player and let Shepshed take the free kick again. How can that make any sense?

Oh, and TWO minutes added on time? Really?
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AlanL
Feb 27 2012, 08:33 AM
The team - as Dave says, it's easy to be wise after the event, but that's one of the good things about being a fan rather than a manager! I thought we lacked any drive in the final third for a large part of the game. We played OK for the first 30 minutes, but didn't create anything, and we're so slow getting back onside at times it's unbelievable. I thought Liam did enough against Grantham to earn a start, maybe he would have if the Staffs Cup game hadn't have come along. If we are going to split him and Kinsey over a game, I'd be interested to see Liam start and get at the defence (they couldn't get near him on Saturday) and then bring on Kinsey in the second half once they're worn down.

The ref - outside the heat of the game I accept that some decisions are very difficult: the severity of challenges, offsides, balls crossing lines etc - all judgement calls that officials (or any one of us) can get wrong or interpret differently. Not helped by players diving around, over-reacting and generally trying to con them as much as they can.

What is maddening though, is the sheer inconsistency in identical situations. On Saturday, Drayton had a free kick which their player immediately took and drove into the Grove player who could have been no more than a yard from the ball. The ball went out and the ref awarded a throw in to them. EXACTLY the same thing happened at Shepshed earlier in the season, only this time the ref booked the Kidsgrove player and let Shepshed take the free kick again. How can that make any sense?

Oh, and TWO minutes added on time? Really?

Alan Please tell me who holds the ball better than Kinsey which allows other players into the game? Kinsey can take a pass you can go for a piddle and a cup of tea and Kins will still have the ball when you get back,a player like that is priceless.
Kinsey for me would start every time with the choice of Walks or Shotts up front, I do think that as an impact player Shotts would be my choice to come on for the last 20 mins when the defence are tiring, but who am I to pick the team ? Wardy and Bucko don,t do too bad.
The biggest dilema for the terrible twins (Wardy and Bucko ) is midfield where any of the midfield players has a good reason to moan if left on the subs bench, I don,t think that I have seen any club this season that have the riches of Ross,Sam, Charlts, Grigsy and when available Ash Carter,and I have,nt even mentioned Steve Brannan, thats some talent to have in one club.
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I'd swap some of the talent for 20 more points.

To my mind, if you're good enough for 20 mins, you're good enough for a full game. It's all very well Kinsey holding the ball up, but he needs someone to lay it off to - the first half on Saturday we just came to a shuddering halt as soon as we got 25 yards from goal.
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AlanL
Feb 27 2012, 09:57 PM
I'd swap some of the talent for 20 more points.

To my mind, if you're good enough for 20 mins, you're good enough for a full game. It's all very well Kinsey holding the ball up, but he needs someone to lay it off to - the first half on Saturday we just came to a shuddering halt as soon as we got 25 yards from goal.

Alan The inference was not that Shotts is not good enough for 90 mins, rather that as a defender the last thing I would want to see is either Shotts or Walks coming off the subs bench when I was getting knackered, and, in that respect I happen to think that the terrible twins (Wardy and Bucko) have got it right.
Yes another 20 points would probably get us promotion, but having swopped some of our midfield for the points how would we sustain our position in a higher league without that talent? but I know where you are coming from and it is frustrating.
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