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| IZFAS Recovery: Overview; The review of the meeting held 2/3/10 | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Sep 4 2010, 02:58 AM (2,614 Views) | |
| Slucer | Sep 4 2010, 02:58 AM Post #1 |
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Floating
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IZFAS recovery meeting: Overview Composed by Invader Sheep, CitrusRush, and Slucer This meeting was called in order to provide the various members of IZFAS with an excuse for the behavior presented on the 2nd and 3rd of September, 2010. The following information is an overview of what occurred, and anyone who would like to add something or debate on removing something, can PM either Slucer or CitrusRush. Swiblet specifically asked that the present admins list their involvements. In this topic, the list will be placed at the end, along with questions already asked by members. All of this is to prevent any repeated questions and of course, we ask you to please place any comments or unanswered questions in this topic. Do not flame the admins via PM, do not flame them in another topic. In fact, if you cannot resist flaming in this topic, at least try being tactful about it. When the meeting started there were only two admins present, and Swiblet took immediate control to ensure a few points were made perfectly clear. The first things Swiblet did were to apologize to every member, to take all of the blame and responsibility upon himself, and finally to ensure the present members' questions were answered. Swiblet: This was a silly joke that was stupid on all the admins' parts, although ultimately, this was not a bad thing; People worked together to solve riddles, to take back IZFAS, and they all worked together to blame me.* Next to speak was G4P. G4P began with the story of how the "hack" was made up from when he and Cosmo were chatting one day. G4P: So I said "Hey, wanna play around with the forum?" And then she said "How?" I said we could pretend it got hacked and change an account name since we have so many people who get on and never post and make SS. So we figured why not? It'll be harmless fun and then it'll bring the site together since it had been so dull recently....Also, it is fun messing with people. So we came up with this plan. We decided to wait two weeks after the meeting, once things had cooled down. One at a time, I PMed the admins and told them of this plan. I got Swib's permission and everyone was excited. We thought it was going to be a fun, happy time.... when the site would get together and solve what had happened. We made riddles, we did all those things. When it started, I never thought it would get such negative thoughts. Of course, I don't know why. It's pretty self explanatory that if a site gets hacked, then everyone will go nuts. So why nobody brought that up is beyond me. Not that I thought of it so I'm not one to talk, but still. Anyway, we did it. After G4P, came Jon. Jon expressed his deepest apologies and regrets for the members affected. Jon: I'm probably the worst of the bunch in terms of sheer maturity. Over the years, I've grown over a lot of things- the Drama stuff Skoo and Swiblet went through, my teen step sister becoming a mom, and the fact that soon, I'll be working as an adult. But all of that was thrown away simply for the fact that I didn't step up to the plate and say "Hey, maybe this isn't such a good idea...." and etc. I may not be the main culprit of this disaster of a prank, but I certainly feel the worse from the aftermath from the admin side.... I'm sorry for a variety of reasons. I'm sorry for not being mature like I was this year, I'm sorry for insulting you all while in the character of SS, all in all, I'm extremely sorry. Over the course of the meeting, it was often mentioned that people may have overreacted. This was debated and not resolved obviously due to the contrast in opinions. The attending members brought up many good questions which will be listed at the bottom of this post. The main point of this meeting was not to place blame or to yell at the admins. The main point was, in fact, to help resolve and settle the arguments and debates to be had and to ultimately put it in the past. Questions asked What if people had registered during the time? Response: The admins feared that and made sure no one could register during that time. Who played SS (Sadistic Stranger)? Response: Listed in the 'Involvement List' This post will be edited as more questions come about Those involved G4P- Controlled SS, Thought up SS Cosmo- Controlled SS Jon- Controlled SS Skoo- No involvement but kept quiet Josheh- Made banner GHP- No involvement but kept quiet Swiblet- Approved G4P's idea, Kept quiet, Made voice recording Nat- Made SS avatar, encouraged the others, kept quiet |
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| Swiblet | Sep 4 2010, 03:10 AM Post #2 |
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Sadistic Stranger
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Please feel free to post your opinions in the threads below. This was an emergency meeting and I understand that some of you weren't able to make it due to the short notice. I'll hope that the members that were at the meeting will answer the questions that people ask, which I already answered at the meeting. I'll answer any others. However, if any of the comments are anything like "FFFFFUCK FUCK ARGH FUCK DAMN I HATE YOU ALL FFFFFSHIT ARGH" like some dA journals I've seen, then I'll delete the offending comments. That kind of comment is considered spam and trolling. Please calm down before posting if you feel the need to spew random expletives at your monitor. Edited by Swiblet, Sep 4 2010, 03:12 AM.
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| Simply Nat | Sep 4 2010, 03:27 AM Post #3 |
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Nat fo Shizzle
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I missed the meeting. I'm just going to add my thoughts and involvement in this post. Involvement: Made SS avatar, encouraged the others, kept quiet. Personal thoughts: Personally, I can't understand why people took this so serious. It might be because I never viewed this site as my "life", like others do, but as a hobby and a great opportunity to communicate with people I call friends. That's why I mostly feel sorry for the people that puppeteered SS, since they started this with good intentions and ended up getting most of the crap. They don't deserve that. I'm deeply touched that many members tried their best to help those that weren't coping so well. I hope that the people that weren't coping so well get better and it makes me sad that some were so upset they had to take a break. I'm not so touched that other people, who keep calling this site their life and the people on it their friends, started to turn their back on them. I can't help but look down on that. I think that any person who doesn't even attempt to understand what his/her own friends think fails at being a true friend. Friendship only works with mutual understanding. That's my honest opinion and really the only thing I can think of saying right now. |
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| Josheh | Sep 4 2010, 07:26 AM Post #4 |
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Caustic Fiend
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I thought it would be good if I did my part, because, well I sort of trenched it along when the others thought give up, overall, the hacker was meant to do two things, forum wise - Bring us together; which however much some may argue that it tor us apart, it didn't. I could safely say that I could see quite a lot of teamwork happening, with even occasionally hearing by some of the more mature members that 'this is fun'. An secondly, bring out your true personality. Some say in danger one's personality goes in itself, in this case, that was true, now hate me or not, some acted way to drastically, and at some point Jon acting as SS even tried to calm the place down, and if some of you had listened to Slucer or someone like Supernova, this whole thing would be calm and would be over before you knew it. But other users kept on at their screaming, swearing and overall worrying, hell, do you guys realise how many sob stories we had at the end of this? At least 7 people said the same, 'In reality, my life sucks, I have 0 friends' etc. You can't all have shitty lives, I mean you got a good enough life that you have won yourself over a computer/laptop, you're not living in a cardboard box. Look, we don't all have great, fulfilling lives, it's a fact, but coming on the forum and saying that you have lost all faith in Admins because of a sick joke? Really...? Well I'm not going to turn this into a rant because that's the least of want to do right now and, of course, like what every other Administrator is trying to do so greatly, I shall also do, I take somewhat all of the responsibility for the harsher 'Clues' made. I am truly sorry. And I hope each of you will soon forgive us, even though that seems slightly stupid at this point in time. |
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| Nightshroud | Sep 4 2010, 07:27 AM Post #5 |
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Voice of Keef
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I'll admit, I was a little worried when I was first told IZFAS had been hacked, but when I logged into the forums and saw for myself, I was pretty sure it was a hoax. I took it the way you had all intended, for enjoyment, but I did notice how freaked out the other members were. I've seen something similar to this before, which is why I probably took this as well as I did. The Phoenix Wright Fan Musical was having trouble getting members to complete their assignments, so the admins pretended to be the villians and kidnaoped the admins and would only release them when assignments got done, which worked. I figured you guys were going for a similar approach, or to just get us to work together. I say that even if this did end negatively, the latter succeeded. We did beat the log-in record after all. I'm not saying what happened was right though, but I'm not going to show any hostility for it. I understand why you guys did it, and you've apologized and are trying to make things right again. That's all that really matters in the end. |
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| pockymonster | Sep 4 2010, 07:34 AM Post #6 |
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Haha, that's a good idea. When I first heard that the site was hacked, I was actually convinced that it was legitimate, and I was all "Wow, why would anyone hack this site out of all the others?" and kind of started insulting SS, which in hindsight is kind of embarassing XD But after I realized it was just a prank, I thought it was kind of neat...The SS character was kind of a fun villian you guys created..the banner was cool, too, haha. I really don't think people should take this site so seriously..there's more to life then IZFAS. Anyway, I think we should all put this behind us and all be friends again. For those who feel betrayed by the admins, remeber they had no intention to hurt feelings, only to stir up some lighthearted mischeif and have some fun. |
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| Invade | Sep 4 2010, 07:49 AM Post #7 |
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Underfed Artist
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It was fun. I'll start with that. In the beginning, when I thought it was real, I was worried and a little irritated. As several of you might remember, on the first night we agreed, "we just have to answer those riddles and see what happens." Especially when the little group of us began to realize it was fake, I decided to just answer those silly riddles and enjoy myself. Ahhhh, if only more than a handful of us had done that! The ones who ran around screaming missed out on a whole bucket on amusement. That last riddle really had us confused, too... took a lot idea-bouncing before we got it. Whoever played SS for that one deserves some credit, because that was the challenge I was looking for. (; Drama aside, it was an innocent idea with good intentions. Those of us who enjoyed ourselves would love to do it again sometime. On the subject of the meeting... I ended up passing out and missed most of it. I suck. :P I'd say it went well, and after discussing the situation, we're much better off. A few people haven't fully forgiven yet, but you cannot always please everyone. Time heals all wounds. |
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| Dee | Sep 4 2010, 09:11 AM Post #8 |
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Irken Elite
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Well, when I first saw it, I knew it was a hoax. As I said in the chat, hackers usually hack a site to oblivion. Maybe they'll cosmetically change it a bit. However, they DON'T stick around and ask riddles. So, I took this as an offense, as if we're taken for stupid. At least, I should be taken as stupid. Also, I feel it was WAY too liberally done. There are over 500 people on this site. You can't expect every single one of them to go "hey, look! Some psycho hacked the site and is asking riddles! fun!". No, most of us took it as offensive, and a violation of our trust. It was apparently supposed to be a test of loyalty and such. Well, OK, so if it means that you're testing our loyalty towards you, what about your loyalty towards us? We're the members, the people that keep the site alive. If we weren't here and putting our faith in you, you wouldn't have a job. If we weren't here, there'd be no site. As the admins, you're supposed to PREVENT this. Not cause it. And now what if it really happens? Will we all think it's just the admins again and leave? Now, as I said, I knew it was a hoax from the start, and I knew the admins were involved. I heard that Cosmo told Rush to "watch out for tomorrow" the day before the event. So, I didn't take it seriously, and just joked around with it. However, it was stressful, yes. I changed my avatar as a joke (because I was in the position of the character from the anime), and just had fun poking at SS. Anywho, before it was stopped, and in the aftermath, I said I was going to leave. And I still am. I was just expecting a PM this morning about the chat, but it's not here. So, I said I was going to leave, and put my account up for whoever wants it. At some point, someone PMed me in a very rude way asking me to "put myself in their shoes". Alright, fine, I can do that. Here's my observation: Why was this ever approved? It's hard to imagine seven admins saying this was a good idea. And when I heard it was because the forum was getting "boring", I was very offended. Perhaps, it's slow because school has started for most of us? Summer's over, yes? I also heard it made us "stronger". I don't think so. If anything, trust has been lost, people have left, and if this happens for real, no one will take it seriously. It has made us weaker. In a sense, one could say it made us stronger. We worked together to solve the riddles... but that was when it was happening, and most believed it was a hacker. When everyone found out it was the admins, one could say a different story. I honestly feel this entire thing was uncalled for and done too liberally. I'm unsure how long it was thought out, but on the internet, hackers are our terrorists, and if they hijack your site, you feel scared, as if they hijacked a plane. When you find out it was just the pilots, it's offensive. Like, as if to say we're stupid. Also, this was supposed to be a "game". We have a game forum, don't we? How about an RP forum? Try this again, but under the name "Werewolf". Google it. It's a forum game where a player dies each night, and everyone starts accusing each other. That's a bit more... controlled, don't you think? I believe I've made my point. One might ask why I'm taking this so seriously. One might ask why I don't have a sense of humor. Well, ask. Say I'm stupid. Because I am. I'm only trying to say that I was just offended. Some of these admins are my friends, and when I looked at that banner and SS forum and saw what they were doing, I felt it was just mean, and of course, an abuse of power. So, as of tomorrow, I'm leaving, whether I get the PM or not. It could be from a week to never coming back at all. I've trusted many people who have betrayed me and put my life in a blender as a result. I am not about to let it happen again. Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me. I was, however, upon notice of my leaving, was given many kind words that made me want to stay. However, I was also given insults and much more, too, which is one of the main reasons I'm leaving. Also, after a good hour and a half of sitting down after it was over, I played in my mind when I saw it initially, and just how angry I was that we were taken so gullible. That, is the main reason I'm leaving. Just because I was hit with direct and indirect insults from people I thought were my friends. I'm not letting this happen anymore. So, call me stupid. Say I don't have a sense of humor. Say whatever you want. Because I already know that I'm a terrible person who shouldn't be alive. Just say it. Because I don't fucking care anymore. |
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| Cosmographia | Sep 4 2010, 11:39 AM Post #9 |
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What time is it?
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First, I would obviously want to apologize for yesterday. It was midnight, I had just gone home from the movies, I logged on, and had received several IM's on MSN that they had to stop the games. I was shocked, I hadn't thought we had to subdue to some members even if others were telling us they were having fun. Saying this, you probably already know I was enjoying the games; I had logged in as SS and at some points, mostly posted: "this is a game, have a laugh". Yes, those were me. I was approached by G4P, at first, I thought it was a bad idea, but it wasn't because of the trust, it was because of the work we were doing, we had just gone out of a meeting for Nubs of Doom. Trust had never crossed my mind, I hate to say. I eventually agreed to it to have a change of pace, figuring it'd be a little mischief; I had even changed my avatar for Beatrice just for the occasion. "Problem, Ushiromiya?" as my title said, it's what Beatrice says in the game whenever the main character, Battler, was stuck solving her riddles. So you can imagine the sheer delight when I saw Dee change his avatar to Battler, the opponent against Beatrice. It was almost too perfect, and I thought he was having fun; same went to most of them. I knew some people had thrown in an uncontrollable rage fit, and this is where I messed up, I brushed it off. I saw it like a cyber-social experiment, and let people speak despite breaking the rules, or basically insulting one another; letting it see how it develops, knowing my only purpose in the games were to mislead you into thinking I was SS. I should have stepped in, I should have listened to other admins who told G4P it wasn't such a good idea instead of saying "live a little", I should have told my closest friends the event so they would be prepared, I should have done many things, but I didn't. Because I didn't, I shouldn't regret it; it happened, and I already have enough guilt than to let my conscience eat me alive. I hope the same applies to any other admin who feels the same. I would like to say something at this point too. Everyone continued saying that they just wanted me to be free, and everything would be peaches and cream. I was flattered, but at the same time, somewhat saddened. I'm happy so many of you members see me whatever way it is, and thinking about it your way, I would understand why I got so many angry dA notes telling me I stabbed them in the back. Problem is, that I feel like I had been put on a pedestal, and as they say, eventually it was taken to high upwards, that there wasn't enough oxygen. I had let people see me for something I am certainly not, and when I would show the real "dark side" of me, the prankster and enjoyment of fun, small and organized chaos, everyone was acting like they didn't know me anymore. The idea for some were that I never made mistakes, and I would always be like a forum-mother/sister to all you guys. Ask any admin, when the games began and I saw the panic, I joked by saying: "Mother hen senses are tingling", but I was being serious. At many points, I wanted to break in and say: "this is a game! Come on you guys, you can solve these"; I eventually did when I posted my dA journal telling them that we were all fine, and should just play along. "Grin and bear it as I've learned" was really the message I wanted to give. To control from making this message longer than it should be, I would like to apologize openly to everyone who sent me the: "you betrayed our friendship" notes on dA. Friends like to play with each other, maybe we the admins had taken that for granted and abused it, but we all apologized, and that's all we can do at this point. I was at first regretting I had warned Rush and a few members prior, but now, I'm glad it had helped some people see things clearer. I was worried that leaving for a week without saying a word would only cause more panic. Whenever I logged on, it was to see you guys progress, I was cheering for you, and every time someone would get the riddles right, I'd leap for joy. More over, I'd like to apologize especially for my friends at the RP, who are the members I have befriended the most. Spending time with you guys really entertained me when I was confined at the house during the strike, it made this online friendship into a family in a way, and I feel like that died because of me. I guess I just want to say I'm deeply and truly sorry to the members who probably hate us now. I'm not asking for an apology nor to stop hating your admin team. Personally, I love you guys too much to have wanted to actually hurt your feelings, and maybe I had abused the amazing trust we had developed over the course of just a few months. We never questioned your intelligence, or else we wouldn't have done riddles to begin with, and we never would. Friends like to joke with friends, but it seems it had gone far enough. If some of you guys are really leaving because of this, I apologize personally, but I greatly agree with what the other admins, especially what Josheh, have said. |
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| Simply Nat | Sep 4 2010, 12:32 PM Post #10 |
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Nat fo Shizzle
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Wow, Dee, you just lost any respect I ever had for you. I think you know why. Or wait, you probably don't, because it would be rude of anybody to ask you to "put [your]self in [the] shoes" of any other person besides you, especially if it's someone who wants to help you. Want some sugar with that opinion? Edit: Okay, I'm sorry, written in anger. I'm not going to cover it up though, because it's honest. Edited by Simply Nat, Sep 4 2010, 12:52 PM.
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| Invader Neek | Sep 4 2010, 01:10 PM Post #11 |
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I find that while I was worried a little for our progress, I do not see myself as mad about the whole thing. I had not been back for awhile so that may also play into the fact that I did not get a little mad. I know I did blame Swib, but I also did point out facts that did prove that he was not it at all. Hahaha I guess I was quiet incorrect in all accounts. But, I don't think the response to all of this turned out in the best way. It truthfully shows who are friends on this sight. Friends can jump out and scare you but you don’t hate them forever about it. You just need to laugh about it and get over it. Trust, it’s what has been said to have been broken on this sight, but by who is the real question. The Members think they have been betrayed by the Admins for playing a cruel joke on them, while the Admin trusted the members to take this in a better way and actually bring the group together. Well I think that now is the time to just forgive each other, for we are all slightly at fault. I do admit asking us to ban one of our members was a little extreme. But overall the prank was harmless, until it got out of hand. It really shows how everyone responds differently to different stressors. At least now we know that this was a bad idea, and hopefully will not happen again. I admit you had us all for the most part fooled on who it was, and for that I tip my hat to you. I hope the others can learn to forgive this and move on. Because if we can get through this I’m sure we can move through even harder things ,which are bound to come our way. |
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| Awesomesaurous | Sep 4 2010, 01:11 PM Post #12 |
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Well said, TCPM! I agree that the overreaction on people's parts was out of line - and the flaming and rulebreaking (cusssing) on both sides was really ridiculous. However, it's true that not everyone has been here long enough to make an intuitive guess about the true motives behind this prank, and even for the older people, it was still kind of unsettling. The thing is, someone mentioned it's like when your bosses at work dress up as terrorists or pirates or whatever and scare all the workers, it's just for fun, but that's not entirely true - this is the internet, you can't see who's behind everything, and there's no way of knowing for sure whether it's an admin or a real hacker. I don't want to leave IZFAS - it's by no means my life, I have a very fine life, it's just that this is the only site I know where I can foster my animation skills and my love of Zim. I want its integrity to be preserved, you know? I think I can forgive all you admins - you're good leaders, many are talented, and you've owned up for a "joke" done in poor taste. However, I'd really think hard before ever doing something like this again. That aside, once we have a little while for the shock to wear off, I could totally picture a Sadistic Stranger day next year - and September 2, that's the day after Zim Day on September 1st (did everyone forget about Zim day this year?) But seriously, if you higherups have problems, talk to us! You're the leaders, if something isn't working, let us know and we can try to fix it! |
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| Dee | Sep 4 2010, 01:17 PM Post #13 |
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Irken Elite
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*sigh* I don't mind. If anything, I'm just realizing how truly hostile this site is. The truth is, I don't truly know why I'm angry. Maybe it's because the idea of people thinking I'm stupid enough to believe that the site was hacked, and then have it so I answer the riddles like an action figure. I have two bad traits of my mind. 1. About two years ago, my mom once randomly started joking that I'd amount to nothing, and that I'd be living in my younger brother's house, and he'd be cleaning up for me and doing all the work. Afterwards, I ran into my room and began crying. Then, she came up into my room. What did she do? She started yelling at me, grounded me, and left. I didn't know she was joking, but it hurt. Ever since, any jokes insulting me, I take very seriously. It's a bad trait of my mind, and that's what's going on now. I was insulted, my feelings were hurt, and I'm getting yelled at. 2. My brothers are quite disobedient, and constantly yelled at. However, because I have so many, my dad always says "you guys". I always thought it used to include me, even though I didn't do anything. However, after a few years, he clarified that if it doesn't apply to me, that it doesn't matter. However, my mind always thinks I'm included. I don't know why. Again, it's a bad trait of my mind, but it is true. So when the other admins are telling people things, I think every single comment applies to me. So that's why I'm so upset. --- This is why I have such self-loathing. My mind is so broken and messed up I just want to break my neck. So I'm sorry that my mind has a hard time processing things, but it's just the way it is. And that's why I say I'm stupid and an idiot, because in truth, I am. |
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| Simply Nat | Sep 4 2010, 01:36 PM Post #14 |
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That's sad, but I wasn't joking, I was stating my honest opinion, and I tried to be nice about it, though honest opinions are mostly hard to voice in a nice way. It's the only thing I can do and I think it's needed. I gave you my email adress which is the one I have for MSN. I'm angry at you right now and feel like you've been the one to betray one of your friends and me, too, but if you'll let me I'd love to talk to you in a nice way. |
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| Dee | Sep 4 2010, 01:41 PM Post #15 |
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Irken Elite
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Well, I'd love to talk in such a manner as well, but I mean I don't feel like talking right now mainly because I'm afraid of what you'll say. To me, it seems like you hate my guts. If you do, that's fine. A lot of people hate me now I guess. I honestly can't think straight as of the last 10 minutes, though. I just feel that the hostile attitudes here are making me afraid of staying any longer. |
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