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yass	Aug 11 2017, 10:32 AM Post #1
Administrator Posts: 3,640 Group: Admin Member #1 Joined: April 8, 2009	Having been recently hospitalized for appendicitis it was also revealed through imaging that I had a lot of gallstones. I asked the surgeon if he was planning on removing the gallstones, to which he said he was not, but if anything, he would take out the gallbladder. Fortunately, I was able to avoid a surgical procedure for my appendix, opting to try an antibiotic treatment that they've been doing (and studying the results of) in Europe. I thought I might have need of my gallbladder so I reasoned I would just do the gallbladder cleanse later on. Thanks God my research led me to... something I was not aware of. I started here (top search result) and stopped to verify something that didn't sound quite right. Quote: The apple juice contains limonoid which helps soften any gallstones and alleviate any pain you are experiencing. I mean, limonoid sounds like lemons, limes, and lemonaid! Putting the word limonoid into search, all I could see from skimming over results was that limonoid derives from citrus fruit. Pressing on and making sure I wasn't missing anything, I queried apple juice contains limonoid The gal who wrote the page that said apple juice had limonoid in it posted this step in the recipe for the Gallbladder Cleanse: Quote: Drink 1 qt of apple juice each day for 6 days. Drink the apple juice in addition to your regular diet. If you're a diabetic, even 4oz serving of apple juice can be sickly sweet. Yes, 100% apple juice, with no sugar added. One quart a day for 6 days? The apple juice contains limonoid query led to this read, which had information that is good to know. Here is an extract: Anyway, the premise of this treatment seems to be that in some way drinking apple cider (or apple juice, it depends who's giving the advice), usually combined with olive oil, will 'emulsify' or otherwise change the nature of gallstones so that they can pass through the bile duct & into the gut. Frankly, it's hard to see how this would work - there's a sphincter on the bile duct that ensures that fluid flow is very definitely one-way, out of the bile duct. So the mayonnaise mix you've drunk - & that's essentially what it is - isn't going to move up & into the gall bladder. Nor is it in some strange way going to change your blood pH: that's controlled within fairly strict limits by your body's own homeostatic mechanisms. (Apparently there are things you can take - under medical supervision - that can act to dissolve gallstones, but they're blood-borne & take months rather than days to have their effect.) Despite this, promoters of this 'cure' will tell you that yes, it works, & you can see & feel squishy 'gallstones' in your faeces... Amazingly large numbers of them - more than you'd expect a gall bladder to contain. So what are they actually seeing? (Let's not think about the feeling part!) The outcome of a chemical reaction, in the gut, between lipases (the enzymes that digest fats & oils) and the olive oil component of the 'cure'. We know this because doctors have done the necessary experimental work on a patient's self-provided 'gallstones', produced after she'd followed the mayonnaise regimen (trust Orac to find the details of these things!) Quote: Microscopic examination of our patient's stones revealed that they lacked any crystalline structure, melted to an oily green liquid after 10 min at 40°C, and contained no cholesterol, bilirubin, or calcium by established wet chemical methods. Traditional faecal fat extraction techniques indicated that the stones contained fatty acids that required acid hydrolysis to give free fatty acids before extraction into ether. These fatty acids accounted for 75% of the original material. Experimentation revealed that mixing equal volumes of oleic acid (the major component of olive oil) and lemon juice produced several semi solid white balls after the addition of a small volume of a potassium hydroxide solution. On air drying at room temperature, these balls became quite solid and hard. They concluded that Quote: ... these green "stones" resulted from the action of gastric lipases on the simple and mixed triacylglycerols that make up olive oil, yielding long chain carboxylic acids (mainly oleic acid). This process was followed by saponification into large insoluble micelles of potassium carboxylates (lemon juice contains a high concentration of potassium) or "soap stones". In other words, the apple juice/cider & olive oil combination, plus the body's own lipases, is forming little gobs of oily soap... A little biology knowledge goes a long way in this context :-) http://sci.waikato.ac.nz/bioblog/2009/08/apple-juice-gallstones.shtml Regardless, the first link I went to has interesting things to offer. I'm sure everyone who shares the gallbladder diet has the best of intentions. So, the diy treatment may be inefficient after all. I'm still wondering what if anything will work. Unfortunately it will be a thousand times more difficult to sift out information for all the articles about the cleanse. Then again, I feel like I just sifted out something of value that is a jewel of information. Note - replaced two embedded links in extract with archive pages as they were both 404.
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yass	Apr 19 2018, 12:59 AM Post #2
Administrator Posts: 3,640 Group: Admin Member #1 Joined: April 8, 2009	Back to researching. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4027340/ Apium graveolens (Apiaceae) Lavender Flowers Decrease cholesterol level, Condiment. Side note (will relocate later): Capsella Bursa-pastori (Brassicaceae) Shepherd's-purse Entire plant Diuretic, For bladder & kidney spasm Ficus carica (Moraceae) Fig Fruit, latex Destroy urinary & gall Stone Tamarind indica (Fabaceae) Tamarindus Fruits For kidney and gall stone 3.4. Plants acting on gall stones Different types of plants used in the treatment of gall stones are Apium graveolens, Bauhinia cumanensis, Bauhinia excise, Costus scaber, Chamaesyce hirta, Cissus verticillata, Capraria biflora, Cocos nucifera, Eleusine indica, Ficus carica, Gomphrena globosa, Kalanchoe pinnata, Portulaca oleraceae, Solanum melongena[65].
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yass	Apr 19 2018, 01:24 AM Post #3
Administrator Posts: 3,640 Group: Admin Member #1 Joined: April 8, 2009	Trying to figure out if Tamarind is sold in the produce dept of grocery stores around here but it's looking like I may have to go to an Asian grocery to find it. https://food52.com/blog/13126-the-sweet-sour-flavor-booster-you-need-to-try
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yass	Apr 19 2018, 01:25 AM Post #4
Administrator Posts: 3,640 Group: Admin Member #1 Joined: April 8, 2009	The soft, succulent, juicy ripened pulp usually is used in confectionery and household as an ingredient of chutnies, pickles, curries, preserves, beverages, and sherbets. Tamarind fruits have several nutrient values, electrolytes, phytonutrients, vitamins, and minerals. Different components of essential elements, phenolic substances, volatile components, organic acids, fatty acids, antimicrobial activities, antibacterial activities, antioxidative activities, antisnake venom activities, antiinflammatory activities and antidiabetic activities exist with tamarind. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/B9780128031384000551
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yass	Apr 19 2018, 01:27 AM Post #5
Administrator Posts: 3,640 Group: Admin Member #1 Joined: April 8, 2009	https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2221169115300885
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yass	Apr 19 2018, 01:31 AM Post #6
Administrator Posts: 3,640 Group: Admin Member #1 Joined: April 8, 2009	Oh, now here it says Tamarind causes gallstones formation... 10 Most Common Side Effects Of Tamarind One Should Know Table of Contents Following Are The Most Common Side Effects Of Tamarind:- 1. Raises Risk Of Bleeding: 2. Causes Hypoglycemia 3. Causes Allergies 4. Damages Tooth Enamel 5. Causes Gallstones Formation 6. Causes Acid Reflux Problem: 7. Produces Laxative Effects 8. Interacts With Antibiotics 9. Make Cough Worse 10. Enhances Vasoconstriction Effects Conclusion http://www.stylepresso.com/most-common-side-effects-of-tamarind-one-should-know/
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yass	Apr 19 2018, 01:36 AM Post #7
Administrator Posts: 3,640 Group: Admin Member #1 Joined: April 8, 2009	https://www.webmd.com/vitamins/ai/ingredientmono-819/tamarind
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yass	Apr 19 2018, 01:59 AM Post #8
Administrator Posts: 3,640 Group: Admin Member #1 Joined: April 8, 2009	Wow, just wow. This is a keeper. Something to print and use for reference: http://www.alwanza.com/healthcare/gallstones.html Here is a small excerpt just to note the berries mentioned: The following foods help the gallbladder heal and some must be eaten daily (pick which ever of these foods your body tolerates): grapes and/or grape juice grapefruit and/or grapefruit juice whole raw apples cucumber salal berries papaya I'd never heard of salal berries. I wonder if they sell them in the produce dept? Probably not. https://thenorthwestforager.com/2015/06/29/salal-berry/
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yass	Apr 19 2018, 03:17 AM Post #9
Administrator Posts: 3,640 Group: Admin Member #1 Joined: April 8, 2009	In conclusion, the major reported risk factors for cholesterol gallstones are not applicable for gall- stones in southern India. Tamarind, a common in- gredient of a southern Indian diet, and higher BMI appear to be risk factors in the formation of gall- stones in this population, where the reported pre- dominant type of gallstones is pigment/mixed. http://medind.nic.in/ica/t05/i3/icat05i3p97.pdf
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yass	Apr 19 2018, 03:22 AM Post #10
Administrator Posts: 3,640 Group: Admin Member #1 Joined: April 8, 2009	III. Diabetes / metabolic syndrome and gallstones Since the prevalence of diabetes, obesity and metabolic syn- drome independently and collectively are increasing; their relationship with gallstone disease needs a review. Choleli- thiasis especially in women with Type 2 Diabetes is frequent. A number of autopsy studies showed an increased preva- lence of gallstones in diabetics, while others have shown no association. One noteworthy clinical study where gallstone disease was diagnosed by abdominal ultrasound or histo- ry of cholecystectomy in 308 diabetics and 318 controls showed a higher incidence in diabetics (32.7%) compared to controls (20.8%) (19). This correlation is often mentioned in the literature. In Diabetics the total body cholesterol is increased independently of obesity, which leads to more lithogenic bile. Secondly, they may have diminished gall blad- der motility. However diabetes alone does not significantly increase the risk for gallstones. With growing incidence of diabetes in India, gallstone disease in type 2 diabetics offers a fertile area for critical studies. http://www.apiindia.org/pdf/medicine_update_2010/ge_and_hepatology_05b.pdf
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yass	Apr 19 2018, 03:34 AM Post #11
Administrator Posts: 3,640 Group: Admin Member #1 Joined: April 8, 2009	https://growyouthful.com/remedy/tamarind.php
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yass	Apr 27 2018, 02:10 AM Post #12
Administrator Posts: 3,640 Group: Admin Member #1 Joined: April 8, 2009	I ran across tamarind in the produce department of a local grocery store. Am having one now. It's like lemons... sour, but good. Now to find ways to use it. https://www.tastingtable.com/cook/national/tamarind-recipes-how-to-eat-use There was a mention of Okra Sambar (recipe) there and garlic, onion, cilantro are all in the recipe and I'd love to try it. I may have to visit an Asian market for some ingredients. Vendakai (Ladies finger / Okra) Sambar https://revisfoodography.com/2014/12/vendakai-ladies-finger-okra-sambar/ Other links http://theepicentre.com/ingredient/cooking-with-tamarind/ https://cooking.stackexchange.com/questions/13444/how-do-i-use-whole-fresh-tamarind Edited by yass, Apr 27 2018, 02:18 AM.
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yass	Apr 27 2018, 03:01 AM Post #13
Administrator Posts: 3,640 Group: Admin Member #1 Joined: April 8, 2009	yass Apr 19 2018, 12:59 AM Back to researching. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4027340/ Apium graveolens (Apiaceae)LavenderFlowersDecrease cholesterol level, Condiment. Side note (will relocate later): Capsella Bursa-pastori (Brassicaceae)Shepherd's-purseEntire plantDiuretic, For bladder & kidney spasm Ficus carica (Moraceae)FigFruit, latexDestroy urinary & gall Stone Tamarind indica (Fabaceae)TamarindusFruitsFor kidney and gall stone 3.4. Plants acting on gall stones Different types of plants used in the treatment of gall stones are Apium graveolens, Bauhinia cumanensis, Bauhinia excise, Costus scaber, Chamaesyce hirta, Cissus verticillata, Capraria biflora, Cocos nucifera, Eleusine indica, Ficus carica, Gomphrena globosa, Kalanchoe pinnata, Portulaca oleraceae, Solanum melongena[65]. https://www.healthbenefitstimes.com/figs/
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