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DISCUSSING HISTORY
Topic Started: Jan 6 2010, 07:01 AM (947 Views)
Archbishop Thomas Tallis
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If the Pope makes Tallis a cardinal, Tallis will want to participate in the conclave. He will almost have to if there is talk of him being elected. I can't speak for Wolsey. An Italian subplot sounds exciting!

Charles V was the Holy Roman Emperor during this period (I think--he was in 1517 anyway.) I also thought he might have been the King of Spain, but I'm not willing to say that with much faith. I think that was mentioned in class when we discussed this issue.
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Henry Percy
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So we're skipping ahead with regards to foreign diplomacy. Charles V would be HRE and King of Aragon and Castile. .. possibly the most powerful man on the continent. It would make sense as the Reformation and the counter-reformation unfolds. Maximillian I (who was sorta HRE until 1519) wouldn't have been as committed to the Pope. Charles V had to keep Aragon, Castile and the HR Empire together with Catholicism, so he needed the support of the Pope.

The subplot with France means that Louis XII is still King of France, right?
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Thomas Howard
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Charles V is established as king of France, supposedly for many years now. His heir would be Francis I, I guess.

With regard to any wars - perhaps there's been a stalemate for a few years, with just few minor movements in Italy, like city-states rebelling against France? Emergence of the reformation and (in future) accession of Francis I could plunge the Catholic world into wars again. Meanwhile, the Pope, keen to push the French afar from his borders, would be preparing for the outbreak by selling absolutions.
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King Henry VIII
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Now that that plot's been stalled, I'd like to make Louis XII the King of France, actually. I don't know why Charles was made instead of Louis, as Mary married Louis.

Is this okay with what you've figured out?
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Thomas Howard
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I suppose the change's alright. It would actually help fitting things historically.

Although it doesn't immediately explain the choice of Charles, I think most of us are directly under influence of HBO show which is splendid, but vastly incorrect. It's plagued by enmasse of historical events that happened over the course of many years, and often differently, while it seems in the show they happen one after another in squence devised by script writers. For instance, Thomas Howard of The Tudors is the mixture of two Thomases, father and son, 2nd and 3rd Duke of Norfolk. Point being, some if not all of us take the show as point of reference and probably impose that on their view of the game world, but that view often varies from history as it was.
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Francesca de' Medici
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Okay, to sort this out.

Charles V is the Holy Roman Emperor (prematurely, since historically, it would have been Maximillian I) as well as king of Spain, Naples and Sicily

Louis XII is King of France

The Pope (for now) is Julius II (Giovanni della Rovere)

is that right?
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Archbishop Thomas Tallis
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I have never seen the HBO show.

Yes, I think that those figures are all correct, Francesca.
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Thomas Howard
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Well then, you do miss quite a show Cody.
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Pope Julius II
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I know! I don't get HBO! I need to invest in (or borrow) the DVDs.
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Thomas Howard
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I know we've just started the Pope plot, but Katie asked me to revive the discussion thread with another topic: WAR! War never changes... (Ron Pearlman, hellz yea!)

So, Katie wants to start Anglo-French-Scot war somewhere in the future of FKAC. We've been talking about it a little and I came up with this idea: France holds a good chunk of Italy and Emperor doesn't like that. So, he incites an anti-French revolt in the Duchy of Milan, which he later supports by invading France. At the same time, Henry's ambition to launch new fleet of ships and rule over English Channel bring England into strife with France over naval supremacy. England signs a pact with the Empire to rout the French and war breaks out for good. Of course Scotland joins in with a threat of invasion from the north, honouring her Auld Alliance with France.

The Milan revolt, with Emperor's involvement looming in, might break out while Pope is still in England, forcing him to hurry back to Rome for fear of hostilities in Italy. Also, it means Princess Mary's betrothal to king Louis will be entirely abandoned.

Let's bainstorm over this. Loopholes? Questions? Suggestions? Are we ready for war plot? Who would do what during the war?
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Archbishop Thomas Tallis
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I am going to say that the Pope dies in England, thus causing even more drama as the new pope (Francesca's dad--although the characters think it might still be Wolsey or Tallis) will have to put up with the war.

What say ye all? I'd rather Julius dies in England and the world is in whispers about the possibility of the English Cardinals romping into Italy and taking over (which won't happen obviously--as much as Wolsey might like it to.)
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Thomas Howard
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I'm totally for Pope's death. Super drama. Of course wildest rumours about poisoning would start spreading across both England and continent.

Tallisand Wolsey (if we get him finally) might be getting ready for trip to Italy and be suddenly stopped by the breakout of war.
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Catherine Willoughby
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Me likey!

Death! ... Destruction? :)
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Francesca de' Medici
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Francesca's father will support Henry and Charles against France. To receive his support, he'd probably require something like the Diet of Worms and make Henry and Charles swear against Luther. Throw in the counterreformation and it'll be awesome. ;)
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Pope Julius II
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Add all of that in with the fact that Thomas Tallis is going to formally leave the Roman Catholic Church soon (after seeing the murdering of the pope and the politics surrounded by trying to get to the papacy) will make a SMASHING dramatic time.
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