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Was it all worth it?
Yes, the restoration was worthy 2 (50%)
Yes,(based on present arguments)I am otherwise uneducated 0 (0%)
No, the restoration was a waste of time and expenses 2 (50%)
No, (based on present arguments)I am otherwise uneducated 0 (0%)
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The Restoration Of Telos IV; Starwars Expanded Universe
Topic Started: Mar 7 2008, 06:15 PM (193 Views)
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Poll Subject:

The restoration of Telos IV, an Outer Rim planet in the Starwars Expanded Universe.

Participants are urged to argue the following points:

- The effectiveness of the project as a whole
- The worthiness of the project in terms of time and resources
- Pros and Cons
- Any other related subject

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My position: Yes, the Restoration Project was worthy

Firstly:

Prior to the Jedi Civil War, Telos IV was a prosperous planet. It served as an important military base for the Old Republic and the Jedi during the Mandalorian Wars. It also housed a meditation retreat and farming enclave for those serving the world as part of the Republic Agricultural Corporations. It also provided a plentiful source of Fauna (species) attracting hunters and other tourists.

The planet also held a strategic location in the war efforts.

Keeping these facts in mind, one is unlikely to dismiss the importance of the planet before it's desecration from the Sith Fleet then under the command of Saul Karath.

Secondly:

The Restoration Project was one that was intended for many planets. Telos IV, having once been an important Republic location, was chosen as a template for the project. The restoration efforts on Telos would determine if the project was successful enough to be expanded to other worlds.

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"Telos is instrumental to the stability of the Republic. Its success or failure will dictate the economic forecasts of many other worlds."

~G0-T0



Holding the fate of numerous planets at stake, I deem this project most important.

Thirdly:

Due to the efforts of the Restoration team, Telos IV enjoyed 3,900 years of prosperity.

Fourthly:

During the Galactic Civil War, Telos IV was one of the planets in the Kwymar Sector that allied itself with the Rebel Alliance.

Other points of interest:

Definitions:

Ancient Greek: Purpose
Modern Greek: End

Simply proof of the purposful inclusion of the planet in the Starwars Expanded Universe.[/color]

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Let me just begin by saying that the restoration project is a complete waste of republic credits. At the time of the restoration, the Republic was on the brink of total destruction, and the gratuitous spending on the restoration of a project that could have gone very wrong and taken a very long time should have been spent on it's own survival. Not only that, but it would have been very possible that even after the planet was restored, the artificial ecosystems would have been so delicate that it would have taken the Sith a lot less to wantonly destroy the entire planet over again. Some corporations might even take part in the planet's restoration for it's own gain.
Companies like Czerka have been notorious for fueling public misery for their own monetary gain. Allowing a Republic funded operation such as this to go into the hands of a passive civilization is too risky, since big corporations can elbow their way in and take control of the situation. It's too much money going towards one project to not attract the attention of Czerka and cause conflict, possibly even toppling the Republic. At this time, taking down the Republic is a magnificently easy task.
The Sith could take advantage of the Republic's fragile state and command an attack of Telos IV. The restoration project would be annihilated, and the Republic would have just wasted a staggering amount of credits. The credits should simply be spent on finding ways of eliminating the Sith and stopping further wars as opposed to restoring planets and inviting further destruction with the belief that planets' ecosystems can be rebuilt afterwards.
So as you can no doubt tell, restoring a war-torn planet might not be the best idea. It's a waste of credits that can go terribly wrong and result in more destruction than rejuvination.
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Points made by Starscream:

1. The misuse of Republic credits.
2. The delicacy of the successful restoration.
3. The use of the program for corporate gain (ex. Czerka).
4. Possible usurption of program (ex. Czerka).
5. The consequences of the abolishment of Telos IV.

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1. The restoration project was an ultimate success, therefore, many other planets could also be saved. Bearing that in mind, the money was worth it. You also forget the fact of telos's crucial strategic positioning. It was not just some random useless planet.

2. Ofcourse, when undertaking a project of this magnitude, one must expect a certain level of imperfection. No such imperfections arised, however. Let the leader of the Telosian Restoration Project (TRP) be introduced.

Chodo Habat is an Ithorian, one of a race renowned for their knowledge and abilities concerning nature and ecospheres. Who better to place in charge of such a project, I ask.

The following are the alliances, both private an otherwise, that aided and ensured the strong success of the TRP.

i) The alliance with the Zabraki Engineer Bao-Dur.

When Citadel Station was developing the shield network that allowed the Ithorians to purify and reseed small portions of the surface, they worked with Bao-Dur. Bao-Dur designed and oversaw the installation of the shield system's planet-side components. Bao-Dur also aided the Jedi Exile in sabotaging Czerka's efforts.

ii) The alliance with the Jedi Exile.

The Jedi Exile agreed to negotiate a truce with Loppak Slusk (Leading exchange Crime Boss) as well as rid Chodo's herd of Czerka. She thwarted Czerka Executive Jana Lorso who sought to steal their latest infrastructure droid, and seized her administrative assistant B-4D4 to obtain compromising information from the Czerka mainframe for Chodo to expose to the Telosian Council.

iii) Aratech and Supremem Chancellor Cressa.

For the restoration of Telos, Chodo also relied on infrastructure droids to plan and manage the project. Commissioned by Supreme Chancellor Cressa, a G0-T0 Infrastructure Planning System was provided by Aratech.

The chancellor was also responsible for funding the project.

iv) Onderon and Queen Talia.

The Government of Onderon provided Flora (vegetation) and Fauna (species) to aid in the restoration.

Aiding planets/moons include:

-Onderon (Cannoks)
-Dxun (numerous species)

With such cooperations, and such an intelligent leader, the probability of a strong, successful operation highers significantly.


3. The efforts of Czerka were impeded by the Jedi Exile and company, leaving no significant negative effects.

4. The possibility of Czerka taking over the project was also present, but again, the Jedi Exile removed all risk.

5. 3,900 years of success were forged from the successes before the planet's situation returned downward. Plenty of time to award worthiness to the cause.

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Well if you want my opinion, it was a boring planet to be on, and I wanted to kill everyone on there... but that's just cause it took so long to do.

As per the topic, I believe that Telos was the riskiest, planet to do it on, for the mere fact that it was the first. I'm kind of leaning more towards the SHOULD have gone for a more middle of butt fuck no where, so that when it came to more important planets, they already knew how to do it. Had the main character in KOTAR not come around, the project would have been a major flop. Since it was saved, the other planets shall be easy, cause they already know what they're doing.

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Much like Aldaras said, if the Jedi Exile hadn't poked their head into the matter, then the entire project would have failed. Putting the Ithorians in charge was a smart move on the part of the Republic, but they don't have anything to speak of in their speechcraft. A more persuasive and verbally adept being should have been in charge of the diplomatic matters to prevent Czerka's attempt at takeover.
Also, when I spoke of the fragility of the TRP, I had actually meant the physical delicacy. The Sith could have very easily infiltrated the project and disabled shields and destroyed ecosystems, or they could have just given the planet an orbital bombing like before. It would be very easy to unravel the work done and cost the Republic a lot of money.
I'd also like to bring up the reprocussions of rebuilding a wartorn planet. Without some kind of reminder to future generations the affects of war on a global scale, no one will want to avoid war. People will just never see it's devestating affects without a symbol. Also, they'll believe that planets can be rebuilt, so how much harm can possibly done if war ravaged planets can be brought back to life on a whim?
And on another note, how many planets since Telos IV have been repaired? If it was such a wonderful pilot project, how come no one followed it's example?
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Firstly, Starscream, get your tenses right!

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if the Jedi Exile hadn't poked their heads into the matter


Since when does one Jedi Exile count for numerous people with numerous heads?

On Topic:

There is no way to know the destiny of the project, were it left untouched by the Exile. You only make assumptions, which are quite weak when compared with fact.

Do you, Starscream, believe the ability to speak Basic more important than the ability to stabilize ecosystems in this matter? To me, it seems the knowledge of the subject is more important. Translation droids are storming the joint anyway. How hard would it be to pick one up and use it?

I hope you realize there were no sentient beings on the actual surface of the planet, save Bao-Dur and the hidden academy. Citadel Station floats above the planet.

There is a Jedi Academy on the planet. A JEDI ACADEMY! That within itself is plenty of order and justice, don't you think? This academy is just one of the many reasons why this planet is so tactically important. I think the Jedi are more than capable of keeping peace, don't you?

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so how much harm can possibly done if war ravaged planets can be brought back to life on a whim?


Well I will tell you...

...infact I cannot on account of this question being majorly flawed.

This Restoration Project was anything but a simple 'whim'! If it were such a basic, dogmatic topic, we would not be having this debate.

As to your last inquiry, I am ever so glad you brought it up.

For an official list, you'll have to wait, but due to other factors, such as increased tourism, I'd say it has lightly affected other worlds for the better.[/color]

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Firstly: bite my ass. My finger must have slipped or something when I hit the D. It happens all the time, but I fixed it, happy?

And if the Exile were male, then he would have numerous heads!

And no matter how much difficulty taken in repairing the planet, people will still have the mindset that wartorn planets are repairable and takes away from the devastation of large scale battles. The TRP shouldn't have been a pilot project for planets that would be destroyed in future wars, but to repair the planets destroyed by past wars and to prevent future destruction.

And other than Telos, and maybe Dantooine, I can't think of any planets that have been successfully restored like Telos.
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Firstly: Make all the excuses you want!

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And if the Exile were male, then he would have numerous heads!


In canon Starwars History, the exile was infact female, so this defence is deemed worthless.

The TRP was a project to repair previously destroyed worlds. It was not a plan of recovery for future wars.

One major item you have as of yet failed to note is the fact that this project would serve other planets with other causes of destruction. Planets that developed some terrible plague, or if there was a catastrophic planetary event or something.

The impression you give is that your opinion is as follows:[/color]

"These planets will not be healed so that the people of Telos who don't even live there anymore anyway will be constantly reminded of the terrors of war, even though they are no longer there and would never be reminded anyway."

This is a very intelligent position. I award you on it's excellence.

First example: Katarr

A breif note on the tragedy...

3,952 BBY

The last known hundred members of the Jedi Order had secretly assembled on the planet. However, one of the participants, Master Atris, alerted Darth Nihilus of the fact that the Jedi were secretly meeting on Katarr, in a hope that the combined Jedi would be able to overpower him and ensure the cessation of the mysterious attacks on the Jedi. However, the Jedi were no match for Nihilus, who used his massive Force powers to feed off of the life on Katarr. The only survivor, a Miraluka named Visas Marr, was taken as Nihilus's apprentice. All other fauna and flora was destroyed.


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Okay, okay, jerk.
I got nothing. Are you happy?
And I still think people would treat the Telos Restoration as an excuse to undermine the perception of the devastation caused by war.
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I hear ya, but it just ain't enough.

Any other opinions/arguments would be interesting to hear...

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The restoration was not worthy, because Ithorians, are dumbasses. Bla Bla, we need help, we need more money, lets deprive the republic of valuable resources while Nihlus destroys everything and makes his way to Telos. Then the Ithorian goes, look Jedi exile, I know what’s wrong with you, help me, and I will try and help fix your problems. Cutting off Ithorian heads, was the most pleasurable moment of that entire game, other than force choking Atris to death, may her rotten soul burn in hell.

If the restoration was actually directed by the republic, or as much as I hate to say it, by an Ithorian closely monitored by the republic, the whole project would have made a whole lot more sense. Instead, those lovely green organic meatbags wasted credits that were necessary for Republic war efforts, and reconstruction of less severely damaged planets. Telos should have been another Malachor V, not a money pit that set the republic back, because it did, it set it back far, it would be stupid to assume that Admiral Carth's fleet didn't take tremendous damage in the battle for Orbital Station. Then there is the problem of Telos' fuel consumption, trillions of republic credits were wasted on making Orbital Station orbit. Why the hell did the station cover half the planet anyway?
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