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Some old lore stuff
Topic Started: May 6 2009, 03:41 AM (558 Views)
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From the Exodus forum (Ex's former Draenei guild).

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Paladins and Priests

I found out that Draenei use other naming for these classes.

Paladins = Vindicators

while Paladin clearly indicates a Knight, a medieval hero going on the quest and keeping his code of Chivalry, the Vindocator is something different.

To Vindicate means to clean something from shame and dishonor, to continue ones work in way. As such Vindicators: pay great attention to Honor, and try to restore it (by Fighting Evil which consumed larg part of the race?) They are NOT like classic paladins, they are no Knights in Shining armour, rather warriors of great honor and resolve wielding the Light (As such they are -no- preachers)

Priests = Anchorites

Anchorite is a sort of religious hermit, who devotes himself to meditation and understand of divine ways.
Draenei anchorites are no hermits, as such I think they are more of scholars and are closer to buddhist monks rather than to Catholic priests. They are no preachers, rather more of Guides as in eastern philosofies, so draenei priest should be adressed as Sensei, rather than Father....so to speak

PS: Female version: Anchoress



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Information from Rise of the Horde:

Capital city (or at least the grandest city) on Argus was Mac'Aree (this isn't from the book, but from in-game).
Known cities that were on Draeneor: Shattrath, Temple of Karabor, Telmor
Draenei resting place on Draenor: Auchindoun (near Telmor), also known as the city of the dead. Draenei bury their dead.

Details of the flight from Argus: Only a couple hundred Draenei fled with Velen. The rest became man'ari. They gathered on the 'longest day of the year' on the 'tallest mountain of Argus'. K'ure, the original naaru inside of the Exodar, appeared above them, wrapped them in a shield of light (think giant bubble), and they ascended into the Exodar, which then vanished out of sight. Velen stole the ata'mal crystal from a grand community temple on Argus, which was given to the Draenei millenia ago by the naaru and is what 'summoned' the Exodar to them. The crystal broke into 7 pieces when the Exodar appeared. It was warm to the touch, and could grant healing and visions.

Kil'jaeden is not so corrupt as to be beyond human comprehension. He, and Archimonde, still believe they are doing what is best for the eredar race and that Velen was a fool and traitor. He doesn't believe he is evil. (no mustache-twirling). The man'ari eredar view life as the end justifies the means, and that the strongest have natural right of power, survival of the fittest. They are not corrupted by blood, but instead pursue the goals of the Legion out of voluntary free will.

Draenei do not have children very often. Because they are so long-lived, they do not generate offspring very rapidly. When Durotan and Orgrim stayed for a day in the Telmor, they saw not a single Draenei child.

Draenei seem to believe themselves superior to other races. Not in condescending way, but sort of like a parent or guardian. They have a 'holier-than-thou' belief in regards to wanting to protect other races. Similar to the way you would treat a pet. You love it and care for it but know that you are far greater than it (and thus is your duty to protect that which is less fortunate as you). To other races, this belief can come across as haughty and arrogant.

Draenei hunt in the same manner as orcs. They do not seem to cultivate livestock. In Rise of the Horde, bands of Draenei hunting parties go out and stalk animal herds, and pick singles off from the pack.

The orcs started attacking the Draenei before they drank the blood of Manneroth. They were still corrupted by Kil'jaeden, but not through direct blood corruption. They were corrupted by lies and tricks, but willingly made the choice to attack the Draenei and see them as a threat.

Velen is very, very, very, very old. He is describing as being not only far older than an Elder, but so old, that he is older than ancient. Durotan describes him as being all but outside of the space of time itself.


And another thing (not fact, but my opinion): I believe the Draenei have community-families rather than smaller family units (in other words: they are more like orcish society than human in terms of family, where entire communities/clans are raised as one big family). If you look at the Exodar, there isn't a single house. Even the inn puts the beds right next to each other. There are no doors, and no separate rooms (although Rise of the Horde conflicts with this, as it shows the Draenei having rooms).

MOST Draenei, were alive on Argus. 25000 years ago. According to this passage:

"All but a handful of us know what we fled on Argus", said Larohir. "We remember it. We remember what Kil'jaeden did, what happened to our people. We would--we will--happily die to preserve even a handful of our race uncorrupted."


That passage right there states that only a very few Draenei are unable to recall Argus. While the ratio now is probably closer to 50% because the destruction of all but a handful of Draenei, that still means that it is *normal* for Draenei to reach 25000 years old, and older.


Another thing: The sacking of Shattrath almost made the Draenei race extinct. Velen knowingly had the people living there stay there to be slaughtered. They died volunatarily. Velen and Larohir devised that the orcs would not stop until every last Draenei was dead--and that the only way to achieve that was to make them believe it was true. And the only way for it to look true, was if it was true. Even though Shattrath *could* have been evacuated, Velen ordered the Draenei there to defend it with their last breath, even though they had no chance at all. (though he *did* tell them why they had to stay and fight, and they voluntarily did so)

This is an extremely complicated moral decision and it is very likely that some of the Draenei that are still alive believe that Velen *could* have saved the people of Shattrath, and instead sent them knowingly to their deaths. In other words: a good RP hook.

It also means that, because Velen made sure to make it look like the entire Draenei race had been all but wiped out by only saving a small handful, that the NPCs and players we see in-game aren't just a representation of a greater whole, but are quite possibly the exact number of Draenei that still live. Draenei probably number less than 100 right now. They fled from Argus with only several hundred, and the orcs slaughtered almost all of them, so it is very likely that there are only 50-100 Draenei left in existence. (which would mean that the players in our guild are quite possibly 10% or more of the entire Draenei population)


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Just had a moment of englightment there and thought I'd search for 'Karabor'.. guess what:

"Before the shattering of Draenor, the Black Temple was once the Temple of Karabor, a sacred site to the Draenei. Shortly after the formation of the Horde, Gul'dan ordered the temple conquered, and transformed it into the headquarters for the Shadow Council, renaming it the Black Temple in the process."

Sorry just woke up.. lore can't wait though 

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-K'ure, the original naaru inside of the Exodar-

I love lore, because wait, there's more to this as well!

"I am K'ure of the naaru. You stand within the heart of my ancient vessel.

Oshu'gun, as the orcs named it, is the ship that first brought the draenei to this world. Though we fell from the heavens and crashed (I laughed..) here many hundreds of years ago, my weakened energies have remained trapped within this wreckage. Regrettably, I am the source of the orc spirits' pain."
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Wow, this is really great, really usefull, thanks!
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That is extremely useful.
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EDIT: Fixed the quote issue.

I understand that this is old information; I just thought I would update bits of it whilst I have a free moment on my lunch break. This is just information I have gleamed from the game/books so it’s all open up for debate. Again, it is just playful banter.

Class Ranks:

Looking at the NPC in game and looking at their skills used on various websites…

Community Leader – Exarch
Warrior - Harbinger
Paladin - Vindicator
Shaman - Farseer
Priest - Anchorite
Hunter - Unknown
Mage - Unknown

Thereutor is the Greek for hunter, but I can’t find any NPC hunter types with a title. Also Mages don’t seem to have titles, but their area in the Exodar is called ‘Mystics’, so that might be an appropriate title. As shown in the opening posts, the Draenei classes have little tweaks that make them different from the norm – like Anchorites aren’t really preachers or vicars, they are more like philosophers.

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Details of the flight from Argus: Only a couple hundred Draenei fled with Velen.


I can’t find any exact numbers, only “a fraction of the Eredar race followed Velen”.

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K'ure, the original naaru inside of the Exodar, appeared above them, wrapped them in a shield of light (think giant bubble), and they ascended into the Exodar.


This is retconned. The uncorrupted Eredar escaped on an unnamed ship which the Orcs called Oshu’gun that then… ‘crashed’ on Draenor as K’ure fell ill.

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Kil'jaeden is not so corrupt as to be beyond human comprehension. He, and Archimonde, still believe they are doing what is best for the eredar race and that Velen was a fool and traitor. He doesn't believe he is evil.


Although he still believes he is doing what he thinks is right, he is far more evil, powerful and twisted than he was when he joined the Burning Legion. Fel corruption corrupts absolutely. ;)

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Draenei do not have children very often. Because they are so long-lived, they do not generate offspring very rapidly. When Durotan and Orgrim stayed for a day in the Telmor, they saw not a single Draenei child.


However we do see a lot of children in-game in Outland. Its safe to say that there would be none on the Exodar as it was a military operation to take the ship, and bringing children with them would be… well… ill advised. I read somewhere that the Draenei didn’t start reproducing until they landed on Draenor, because that was the first time they felt safe to do so.

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Draenei hunt in the same manner as orcs. They do not seem to cultivate livestock.


Other than Eleks, which they breed.

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believe the Draenei have community-families rather than smaller family units (in other words: they are more like orcish society than human in terms of family, where entire communities/clans are raised as one big family).


Seconded. I get the feeling they are like communal collectives where everything is shared, everyone knows everything about each other, there is no such thing as a private life and they would all help each other without question. In an ideal situation. Whether this developed from being on a ship together for 24,000 years, or if they were like it on Argus I don’t know.

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if you look at the Exodar, there isn't a single house. Even the inn puts the beds right next to each other.


The Exodar is a Naaru ship, and the Naaru don’t seem like door sort of… ‘people’. Of course the Draenei could have put them up, but even their old cities on Draenor don’t have them. I kind of think of it as part of the community feeling – they have nothing to hide, and visitors are always welcome.

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That passage right there states that only a very few Draenei are unable to recall Argus. While the ratio now is probably closer to 50% because the destruction of all but a handful of Draenei, that still means that it is *normal* for Draenei to reach 25000 years old, and older.


We are also led to believe that memories of Argus are fragmented at best. 25,000 years is a lot of memories. As for the age, it’s not exclusively stated that Draenei are immortal or extremely long lived. It could because they lived with a Naaru for so long, or it could be to do with the pods on the Exodar and other Naaru structures that look awfully like sleep pods or some such – that’s just speculation though.
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Thanks for all the info -- there's certainly quite a bit to chew on!

Although much of it now seems contradictory, most of my prior and limited Draenei RP was taken significantly from this WoWinsider piece together with some general Wowwiki background. The article linked to a Dramatis Personae lore outline, but again in light of the above information, much of it seems skewed.

Two key attributes were the "first names only" scheme:
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Names: First names only, generally one to three syllables, with frequent use of double vowels and diphthongs. Examples: Zalduun, Vedaar, Zhanaa, Vishael


and the "age" issue:
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Age: The Draenei are oddly careless about time, and most don't know exactly how old they are. It is assumed that the Draenei have a lifespan of approximately a thousand years.


As mentioned above, the lifespan of Draenei hasn't been resolved one way or the other as far I can tell. How are you guys roleplaying the age aspect and do you also agree with the "first name only" belief? When considering the heavy communal emphasis I suppose it would make sense. Destron's great travelogue linked in Exaythe's detailed guild proposal suggests that the 'collective' constitutes a family unit and it's name is taken as an effective surname, yet the first name takes precedence in identifying the individual, even to new acquaintances.
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May 6 2009, 01:18 PM
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K'ure, the original naaru inside of the Exodar, appeared above them, wrapped them in a shield of light (think giant bubble), and they ascended into the Exodar.


This is retconned. The uncorrupted Eredar escaped on an unnamed ship which the Orcs called Oshu’gun that then… ‘crashed’ on Draenor as K’ure fell ill.

Yeah, meant Oshu'gun there, not the Exodar. :)


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That passage right there states that only a very few Draenei are unable to recall Argus. While the ratio now is probably closer to 50% because the destruction of all but a handful of Draenei, that still means that it is *normal* for Draenei to reach 25000 years old, and older.


We are also led to believe that memories of Argus are fragmented at best. 25,000 years is a lot of memories. As for the age, it’s not exclusively stated that Draenei are immortal or extremely long lived. It could because they lived with a Naaru for so long, or it could be to do with the pods on the Exodar and other Naaru structures that look awfully like sleep pods or some such – that’s just speculation though.


Yep. At 25,000 years, it's pretty much going to be a big fragmented and jumbled story in your mind even if you were alive for all of it. It's doubtful they can really remember with clarity anything further back than a couple thousand years, if even that much.
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May 6 2009, 04:34 PM
and the "age" issue:
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Age: The Draenei are oddly careless about time, and most don't know exactly how old they are. It is assumed that the Draenei have a lifespan of approximately a thousand years.


As mentioned above, the lifespan of Draenei hasn't been resolved one way or the other as far I can tell. How are you guys roleplaying the age aspect and do you also agree with the "first name only" belief? When considering the heavy communal emphasis I suppose it would make sense. Destron's great travelogue linked in Exaythe's detailed guild proposal suggests that the 'collective' constitutes a family unit and it's name is taken as an effective surname, yet the first name takes precedence in identifying the individual, even to new acquaintances.

My own Draenei was alive on Argus personally, being a 'young adult' in Draenei years when Sargeras came. So she's up there in years. But I jot up the majority of it to be wild memories with many of them quite likely to be made up or half-believed due to how impossible it is to remember all of it.

And yep, only first names. With the exception of a rare few, 99% of the Draenei NPCs support this.

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May 6 2009, 04:34 PM
How are you guys roleplaying the age aspect and do you also agree with the "first name only" belief?

As far as Vryndir is concerned he is not sure of his exact age but he was a child when the Draenei feld Argus on Oshu'gun so it must be rather old. And regarding the first name only issue I did not give him a last name but instead got inspiration from an NPC in Blood Watch who's name ends with "of Mac'Aree" and came up with "of Ash'Aleth" which would be a village on Argus.
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Thereutor is the Greek for hunter, but I can’t find any NPC hunter types with a title.

Just a note for precision, that's not a word in greek. But I'm betting it derives from a greek word, as the proper word would be "Thireftis"/(Thee-reff-tees)/Thereutis which is very similar to the "Thereutor" you posted :)
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For the first name thing, I am 99% behind it as 99% of the NPC’s don’t have a surname. Being ‘of’ somewhere seems more like an informal title personally.

The hunter thing, yeah, Thereutis didn’t seem Thereutor and with the other language perversions we get spat with by Blizz it seemed quite fitting with the other titles.
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May 6 2009, 05:17 PM
My own Draenei was alive on Argus personally, being a 'young adult' in Draenei years when Sargeras came. So she's up there in years. But I jot up the majority of it to be wild memories with many of them quite likely to be made up or half-believed due to how impossible it is to remember all of it.

Yeah, that sounds like a reasonable approach especially as the exodus itself was likely very distressing and many would perhaps try to bury the more painful memories.

Agreed on the first name thing then. I do like the "Ash'Aleth" combination though, Vryndir. Although as Atiia notes, due to the paucity of similar titles amongst the NPC's maybe it is more of an informal honorific title? In any event I think I must visit Blood Watch again -- it has been so long!
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Kinda like William Pitt the younger, and William Pitt the Elder.

Or, for example, I could be called Daniel of Sheffield, as that is where I am from. Its nothing to be proud off, personally, but for Jessere he might be proud that he is from that that place, and honours his name with it.
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While looking for some Draenei language information I came across this blog: Farseer Aurhia's Journal.

There's a bit of coverage on some translations and greetings, including:

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Arkanon Poros - /ARK-uh-non POH-ros/ this is the most common greeting you'll hear among Draenei. Literally, this means "Journey be enough." It is a general wish for things to go well and for the recipient to be safe.

Use: Usually combined with the vocative form of a person's name: Arkanon Poros anAurhia! Arkanon Poros aStonemug!


Khronakai Khristor - /HKRON-uh-kye hkree-STOR/ The Kh is like the Greek X or the Scottish CH. Roughly, this means "eternal glory".

Use: Again combined with the vocative form of a name: Khronakai Khristor anAurhia


Personally, I would find the "Ch" a more natural morpheme when writing these greetings based on the NPC's pronunciation, but that's just being a wee bit pedantic. Aurhia also has a helpful entry on running a tavern event amongst others.
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I think the notion of "First Names Only" for Draenei should have been debunked by now. There are an overwhelming number of NPCs of other races, such as Orcs, Humans, and Elves, and more noticably, Trolls, that do not have surnames in their NPC tag, but who should be assumed to have a surname 'In-Character'.

As there are several Draenei NPCs with surnames, it wouldn't make sense to assume they do not have them at all just because most of them have titles rather than names (such as a few Anchorites, Artificiers and Vindicators).

Rather, I would assume (from the style of the Draenei names, eg two words stapled together much like Orc or Tauren names) that they are a reflection of the Draenei's own choices in life (For instance, "Disidra Stormglory" is quite clearly a Shaman) and possibly similar to how Gnomes choose their own names once they reach a certain age to replace their family name.

This would also make sense with the Draenei being quite likely to be more 'aloof' of their parentage, given how many Draenei die prematurely due to, well, lots of bad things (Night Elven children are said to reach maturity at around 80 to 100 years old, so presumably that is even longer for Draenei, which leaves ample opportunity to be orphaned in your early teens), and not so focused on using actual family names linking them to one another, but rather have a surname that distincts them from their peers (compare to two people with the same first name in a grade-school class being distinguished by their surnames).

I would also like to add that Disidra Stormglory is an NPC added to Dalaran city in Wrath of the Lich King, so it's not simply a matter of Blizzard not being consistent in TBC.
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