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| Tweet Topic Started: May 6 2009, 03:41 AM (558 Views) | |
| Drustai | May 6 2009, 03:41 AM Post #1 |
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From the Exodus forum (Ex's former Draenei guild).
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| Isilra | May 6 2009, 08:11 AM Post #2 |
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Wow, this is really great, really usefull, thanks! |
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| Veyshnavi | May 6 2009, 12:15 PM Post #3 |
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That is extremely useful. |
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| Atiia | May 6 2009, 01:18 PM Post #4 |
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EDIT: Fixed the quote issue. I understand that this is old information; I just thought I would update bits of it whilst I have a free moment on my lunch break. This is just information I have gleamed from the game/books so it’s all open up for debate. Again, it is just playful banter. Class Ranks: Looking at the NPC in game and looking at their skills used on various websites… Community Leader – Exarch Warrior - Harbinger Paladin - Vindicator Shaman - Farseer Priest - Anchorite Hunter - Unknown Mage - Unknown Thereutor is the Greek for hunter, but I can’t find any NPC hunter types with a title. Also Mages don’t seem to have titles, but their area in the Exodar is called ‘Mystics’, so that might be an appropriate title. As shown in the opening posts, the Draenei classes have little tweaks that make them different from the norm – like Anchorites aren’t really preachers or vicars, they are more like philosophers.
I can’t find any exact numbers, only “a fraction of the Eredar race followed Velen”.
This is retconned. The uncorrupted Eredar escaped on an unnamed ship which the Orcs called Oshu’gun that then… ‘crashed’ on Draenor as K’ure fell ill.
Although he still believes he is doing what he thinks is right, he is far more evil, powerful and twisted than he was when he joined the Burning Legion. Fel corruption corrupts absolutely. ![]()
However we do see a lot of children in-game in Outland. Its safe to say that there would be none on the Exodar as it was a military operation to take the ship, and bringing children with them would be… well… ill advised. I read somewhere that the Draenei didn’t start reproducing until they landed on Draenor, because that was the first time they felt safe to do so.
Other than Eleks, which they breed.
Seconded. I get the feeling they are like communal collectives where everything is shared, everyone knows everything about each other, there is no such thing as a private life and they would all help each other without question. In an ideal situation. Whether this developed from being on a ship together for 24,000 years, or if they were like it on Argus I don’t know.
The Exodar is a Naaru ship, and the Naaru don’t seem like door sort of… ‘people’. Of course the Draenei could have put them up, but even their old cities on Draenor don’t have them. I kind of think of it as part of the community feeling – they have nothing to hide, and visitors are always welcome.
We are also led to believe that memories of Argus are fragmented at best. 25,000 years is a lot of memories. As for the age, it’s not exclusively stated that Draenei are immortal or extremely long lived. It could because they lived with a Naaru for so long, or it could be to do with the pods on the Exodar and other Naaru structures that look awfully like sleep pods or some such – that’s just speculation though. |
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| Baelana | May 6 2009, 04:34 PM Post #5 |
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Thanks for all the info -- there's certainly quite a bit to chew on! Although much of it now seems contradictory, most of my prior and limited Draenei RP was taken significantly from this WoWinsider piece together with some general Wowwiki background. The article linked to a Dramatis Personae lore outline, but again in light of the above information, much of it seems skewed. Two key attributes were the "first names only" scheme:
and the "age" issue:
As mentioned above, the lifespan of Draenei hasn't been resolved one way or the other as far I can tell. How are you guys roleplaying the age aspect and do you also agree with the "first name only" belief? When considering the heavy communal emphasis I suppose it would make sense. Destron's great travelogue linked in Exaythe's detailed guild proposal suggests that the 'collective' constitutes a family unit and it's name is taken as an effective surname, yet the first name takes precedence in identifying the individual, even to new acquaintances. |
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| Drustai | May 6 2009, 05:14 PM Post #6 |
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Yeah, meant Oshu'gun there, not the Exodar. ![]()
Yep. At 25,000 years, it's pretty much going to be a big fragmented and jumbled story in your mind even if you were alive for all of it. It's doubtful they can really remember with clarity anything further back than a couple thousand years, if even that much. |
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| Drustai | May 6 2009, 05:17 PM Post #7 |
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My own Draenei was alive on Argus personally, being a 'young adult' in Draenei years when Sargeras came. So she's up there in years. But I jot up the majority of it to be wild memories with many of them quite likely to be made up or half-believed due to how impossible it is to remember all of it. And yep, only first names. With the exception of a rare few, 99% of the Draenei NPCs support this. |
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| Vryndir | May 6 2009, 05:29 PM Post #8 |
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As far as Vryndir is concerned he is not sure of his exact age but he was a child when the Draenei feld Argus on Oshu'gun so it must be rather old. And regarding the first name only issue I did not give him a last name but instead got inspiration from an NPC in Blood Watch who's name ends with "of Mac'Aree" and came up with "of Ash'Aleth" which would be a village on Argus. |
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| Kaz | May 7 2009, 08:07 AM Post #9 |
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Just a note for precision, that's not a word in greek. But I'm betting it derives from a greek word, as the proper word would be "Thireftis"/(Thee-reff-tees)/Thereutis which is very similar to the "Thereutor" you posted
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| Atiia | May 7 2009, 09:32 AM Post #10 |
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For the first name thing, I am 99% behind it as 99% of the NPC’s don’t have a surname. Being ‘of’ somewhere seems more like an informal title personally. The hunter thing, yeah, Thereutis didn’t seem Thereutor and with the other language perversions we get spat with by Blizz it seemed quite fitting with the other titles. |
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| Baelana | May 7 2009, 01:21 PM Post #11 |
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Yeah, that sounds like a reasonable approach especially as the exodus itself was likely very distressing and many would perhaps try to bury the more painful memories. Agreed on the first name thing then. I do like the "Ash'Aleth" combination though, Vryndir. Although as Atiia notes, due to the paucity of similar titles amongst the NPC's maybe it is more of an informal honorific title? In any event I think I must visit Blood Watch again -- it has been so long! |
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| Atiia | May 7 2009, 01:29 PM Post #12 |
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Kinda like William Pitt the younger, and William Pitt the Elder. Or, for example, I could be called Daniel of Sheffield, as that is where I am from. Its nothing to be proud off, personally, but for Jessere he might be proud that he is from that that place, and honours his name with it. |
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| Baelana | May 11 2009, 07:38 PM Post #13 |
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While looking for some Draenei language information I came across this blog: Farseer Aurhia's Journal. There's a bit of coverage on some translations and greetings, including:
Personally, I would find the "Ch" a more natural morpheme when writing these greetings based on the NPC's pronunciation, but that's just being a wee bit pedantic. Aurhia also has a helpful entry on running a tavern event amongst others. |
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| Sanara | Jun 12 2009, 03:00 PM Post #14 |
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I think the notion of "First Names Only" for Draenei should have been debunked by now. There are an overwhelming number of NPCs of other races, such as Orcs, Humans, and Elves, and more noticably, Trolls, that do not have surnames in their NPC tag, but who should be assumed to have a surname 'In-Character'. As there are several Draenei NPCs with surnames, it wouldn't make sense to assume they do not have them at all just because most of them have titles rather than names (such as a few Anchorites, Artificiers and Vindicators). Rather, I would assume (from the style of the Draenei names, eg two words stapled together much like Orc or Tauren names) that they are a reflection of the Draenei's own choices in life (For instance, "Disidra Stormglory" is quite clearly a Shaman) and possibly similar to how Gnomes choose their own names once they reach a certain age to replace their family name. This would also make sense with the Draenei being quite likely to be more 'aloof' of their parentage, given how many Draenei die prematurely due to, well, lots of bad things (Night Elven children are said to reach maturity at around 80 to 100 years old, so presumably that is even longer for Draenei, which leaves ample opportunity to be orphaned in your early teens), and not so focused on using actual family names linking them to one another, but rather have a surname that distincts them from their peers (compare to two people with the same first name in a grade-school class being distinguished by their surnames). I would also like to add that Disidra Stormglory is an NPC added to Dalaran city in Wrath of the Lich King, so it's not simply a matter of Blizzard not being consistent in TBC. |
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