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Givers and Takers; Everyone needs help!
Topic Started: Jan 29 2008, 09:05 AM (125 Views)
elmilie
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Let me start this off by saying helping people is something I like to do, I try to help people whenever I can, and I will continue to give people help as long as I play the game. Having said that there are some things that can annoy somebody that is giving help I realized you have mentioned some in "Kenji's helping rules" but I would like to include a few others:

Givers vs Takers -

Many things in this game you cant do alone, there is a purpose behind that and helping people do those things can be fun and rewarding.

Please take one step back and ask yourself a question...

"Do I ever give people help? (and not just your friends or LS members)"

There is no requirement to do this, and if you never give anyone help that really dosen't bother me at all. Unless.....

"Do I ask people for help?"

If the answer to this is yes then the answer to the first should be yes as well, although giving help should be "no strings attached" if you are taking help you DAMN well should be willing to give some help to others...

Helping is one of those things that you should have a "pay it forward policy" it isn't really recipicated (although it can be) It should usually be passed on to others who need it...

I know I have been the benificiary of help, and I will repay it by helping others.


PL ing -

PLing is very boring to the PL, I have never met a single person who has said WOW! I LOVE PLING...cause nobody does...We do it for ppl we are friends with, LS members, and others to help...but this is not something that should be requsted as help...if you are sending /tell's to Healers in the LS for PL's *Please Stop*

If you want a PL ask over the Linkshell, if anyone is available they will say "Yes I am bored out of my mind so i will come PL you"

I know ppl have a hard time saying "No" to these requests, I do, because if I do say NO you think I dont want to help you, which is not the case, I do want to help you but PLing really isn't help.

If you think you need a PL then....Party setup <---(please check it)
This is especially true if your PT is 40+, there is no reason to have a PL beyond that point. PL can help a party, but doing jobs right can also help a party.

If you are under 40 and want a PL then please send /linkshell not a /tell! :)



I realize that this sounds like I'm mad or something but I am not, I am sending message this before I(and others) get to that point Vana 'deil is a happy place for me and I wanna keep it that way.

Please give me feedback about this topic, if you agree or diagree i would like to know.








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elmilie
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One thing I forgot to mention...

If you are a lower level and cant help, and feel like all you do is take help, that is ok you time will come, everybody has to get into a position to help, i just think some people forget how they got to that position :)
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Aeneas
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yes, i think these are good points. i often think if i have given enough help to others to earn help to finish my own tasks.

but there are a few things i would like to note:
-some people cant be on very often sometimes, and so might appear to be unhelpful, and only ask rather than give. people like this should still receive help. if they just logged in to help others, then they wont be able to advance themselves, and return the help later on.

-simply showing up to an ls event will gain you some "giving points" because the ls will start to recognize you. in other words...if you never show up, even for non-help related things, people will wonder "who is that guy?"

-related to the note above, even if your character cant really help the cause very much (too weak for the mob, lacking other useful skills) you should still consider showing up to show you are willing to help. saying "i would help but im too low" in /l is overlooked very easily.

-depending on your situation, i think people should think about avoiding exp parties ON help day. parties can go a long time, tying up several ls members that could be useful to help others. again, it depends on your situation (maybe saturday is your only free time, only time your static can meet, etc) but think that people might need your help.

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Kenji Masuda
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I completly agree with everything you both have said. I for one owe this LS BIG TIME for all those pallas runs i put you guys through. For example i really want to help Aeneas with OSE. and i really want to help out everyone else as well.

however, a couple of added points should be that if you ask for help and someone else is busy already, you should not hold it against them especially if they are mid-whatever they are doing. For example, Bam was holding a Garrison the other day and i would have been happy to go help, in fact i was there when the idea was proposed, however when it actually happened i was in my static party with jemi volk and hadori. And i know for a fact that Bam holds no grudges for me not being there.
on the same note, Do not stop what you are doing to help others if what you are doing currently is important to you. you should not feel pressured to help just because someone asked you too, on the opposite end Don't pressure people to help, (i know i jokingly do it a lot but im just kidding) if someone says im busy and i cant or you get no response when you ask, then stop asking. its ok to make sure they all saw it but don't drag it out, be adult about it.

Also i would really like to send the message that if you have asked multiple times and have not received help, hang in there and Be tenacious about your approach we will help when we can. mention what you need every other day in /l and it will happen eventually. Don't take it personally if it takes a while to get to you , trust me, if the ls dosent like you, you will know pretty quick.

on a final note:
"If you think you need a PL then....Party setup <--- :green: please check it :red: "
ROFLMFAO


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Bamomine
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I am so sorry that i didnt see this thread before thankyou you both for you support! :P
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Channellock
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lmao get'em elm ! get'em :P
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