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| Paul Sabricki Mental Health; What do you think? | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Jul 3 2006, 04:33 PM (957 Views) | |
| ANDREWS | Jul 3 2006, 04:33 PM Post #1 |
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I think that it is not proved that he is a schzophrenic. He killed my fave character and should be harshly punished!!!! HE IS GUILTY and responsible for LUCY's death!!!! HE IS A manic murderer. HE should totally receive a death penalty. |
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| ert | Jul 3 2006, 04:58 PM Post #2 |
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I agree he lkilled my fave charecter lucy but that s a dissaese... lucyyyyyyyyyyyy |
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| ANDREWS | Jul 3 2006, 05:19 PM Post #3 |
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This guy should actually die. This Sabricki killed her......... And that's why he should be murdered. Maybe he should know WHAT KIND OF FEELINGS COULD SOME GET OF THIS BIG BUTCHER`s KINFE????????????? But we're of course so humane and that's why his liability is the best way to act in this case. That's why I'm asking this question to you. PLEASE Look at her eyes, and hear how she`d said "Thank you" to DR Corday in All in the family???? I am a man of 21 y.o. and I was really depressed after this episode. I cried like a child What is your reaction????? Poor Mr. Sabricki? Those who in the US - HAPPY 4th of July to you! |
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| englishpetal | Jul 4 2006, 02:33 AM Post #4 |
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I cried at that episode too and it was very sad but I do think that he is a schizophrenic, the way he was speaking afterwards about Lucy and Carter supposedly wanting to take away his organs is an indication that he was mentally ill. And ANDREWS, I can't figure out if your above post is you going a little OTT or if it reflects your true feelings, look at this objectively, he is just a character. |
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| JonSt | Jul 4 2006, 09:31 AM Post #5 |
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I was actually more pissed at his wife for defending him :angry: |
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| ANDREWS | Jul 4 2006, 12:06 PM Post #6 |
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HE is a character. And what else? He (like a character) is a criminal. As this disease (Shizophrenia) is not actually proved HE is guilty. This illness should be legally proved (during the trial) to prove he is NOT GUILTY. Otherwise he should be proved GUILTY and criminally liable. Little disclaimer: I am 3rd year Law student His wife should defend him. That's great. She also could try to prove his mental illness. That is also good (for his wife). She also should receive good legal advices from her family's advocate to prepare for the trial. That is the legal requirement for this kind of cases. But is is a tragedy that there were no criminal trial on Sabricki's case. Everyone in the Hospital agreed that he is just a psychiatric patient. That`s wrong - as I think. So, we just have different opinions on Sabricki's case. Innocent girl died and everyone supposed that it's just a bad fate. This is the most shocking tragedy in the ER and I'm trying to understand it. A little about my objectivity. I THINK THAT LUCY IS THE GREATEST CHARACTER. I didn't change my opinon after watching oher episodes and seasons. I LOVED HER FROM 5-01 to her death and after. Am I objective? OF COURSE NO. THat is just my not-so-objective opinion. But fact leaves. Young girl shouldn't be put in the grave this way....... |
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| englishpetal | Jul 4 2006, 01:25 PM Post #7 |
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Okay, well let's just agree to disagree - about the schizophrenia/death penalty not about Lucy, I love her as well. I'm not objective either, I work with psychiatric patients so I'm seeing this argument from their POV as opposed to the legal POV. |
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| ANDREWS | Jul 4 2006, 04:27 PM Post #8 |
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What is POV??? And what about the trial? I think only juries and judge could decide this. As well I've seen these episodes some years ago. And from that time I always feeling injustice. And, of cource pain. Lots of pain. It seems to me that it is not so good for all Lucy's fans! She actually wasn't just a nice character for many people. I'm keeping in touch with lot of htem and we're discussing this topic. These debates could be running always while people still watching ER. That's why his end could get some nice feelings to those people! And after this kind of desicion (of course, in the ER) injustice feelings could be erased from those people's minds, and perharps pain could be transformed into a kind of Sweet sorrow...... I've opened this topic on many ER-related forums and everywhere is the same discussion. So, you can consider that he is surely ill? MAybe I'm wrong, my desicion is based on procedural matters. Also my points are so emotional (AS I've said I love Lucy). But try to understand them please. ANOTHER DISCLAIMER. Of course I am not female, as written in the forum. I just have some technical problems with forum profile which doesn't allow me to change my gender info (and other information, but that is not so critical). If Admin could help me I will be grateful. I am male and I am 21 y.o. My name's Andrey. S. is the initial letter of my last name. |
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| englishpetal | Jul 5 2006, 04:00 AM Post #9 |
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I can tell that this is a very emotive matter for you, by looking at your posts which are quite jumbled and disorganised, and I am trying to understand. What I am saying is I do not agree, I'm not saying that you're wrong and that you don't have expertise in the legal area, of course you do, you have told me that. POV - point of view, I should have typed perspective or something else, my apologies.
They should decide what? Whether or not he is a schizophrenic and deserves the death penalty? Only with the assistance of a psychiatrist or another expert witness and medical records to try to prove or disprove that particular diagnosis. And even with my lay knowledge, I do know that this does occur because a judge who is an expert in law has no right to decide whether or not somebody is mentally (or otherwise) ill and they do not pretend to be. Oh and to change your gender go to 'My controls' then 'Edit my profile'. |
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| ANDREWS | Jul 5 2006, 12:35 PM Post #10 |
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Yeah.... Sorry. Of course they should deside the outcome of the tria but NO on the diagnosis. But within the trial these psychiatric tests should be done (in the way you've said). That is a pity that in ER there was no trial on this case at all. What about my way of writing. Sorry once again. I am just a little disappointed on that case, and that's why I'm writing this way. Actually I'm alone in my opinion. No one agreed with me in the case |
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| englishpetal | Jul 5 2006, 02:00 PM Post #11 |
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Yeah it is a shame, but this is ER, where storylines are often unrealistic. I'm glad that we seem to have come to some sort of agreement ... I think? |
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| ANDREWS | Jul 5 2006, 02:41 PM Post #12 |
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Yes. WE come to agreement. That's great. But Lucyyyyyyyyy is the best of ER!!!!! I miss her too much. Now I am speaking about her as Lucy's fan and not as lawyer. She's the brightest star in the ER series. And she is the most POSITIVE character in ER. There are absolutely no drawbacks there. |
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| DutchCharmed | Jul 5 2006, 02:49 PM Post #13 |
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Yes, Lucy was very cool. But it's just a show, so to me it isn't really such a big deal. ER has alot of storylines all at once, so it only would've taken more time to prove that Paul Sobricki was schizophrenic, just like with many other patients in the ER where we don't see that much of prove of the condition they have, we just have to believe what the characters say.. So many people on ER have said Paul Sobricki was schizophrenic, so I believe that.. |
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| MJS | Jul 5 2006, 09:02 PM Post #14 |
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yes, he is schizophrenic. and there is nothing that he can do about it. therefore, i think that we have no right to judge him. i'm not justifying the stabbings. i love lucy and carter and believe that they could have had something together. lucy's death was one of the worst moments on ER ever (along with mark's). but i still can't blame sobricki, i can only blame karma or god or fate or whatever caused them to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. |
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| ANDREWS | Jul 6 2006, 11:29 AM Post #15 |
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When about 30 people will say that your GREEN pen writes RED will you beleive? He is not JUST a patient, but he treated by ER staff like just a psychiatric patient. THAT'S A TRAGEDY I think. Sobricki is a cruel maniac murderer. HE KILLED LUCY! That's why we have right to judge him... OF COURSE THAT"S NOT A LEGAL OPINION Have you seen the episode "Rampage" (the end of 7th season) when Mark killed the murderer (refused to use electric devices to help him in the case of heart stop). And in the May Day (the end of 6th) Kovac refused to bring murderer to the hospital by helicopter (and this murderer died). What do you think IN THIS CONTEXT? |
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