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| There Are No Angels Here 05-04-06; Discuss the episode here. | |
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| Doozer | May 5 2006, 03:56 PM Post #16 |
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It's pretty ironic that the one episode you don't like here is the one episode they do like over at erforums.com.
I think it was very well done and good to see another side of Pratt. Good stuff!
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| swimmer36 | May 5 2006, 06:40 PM Post #17 |
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for an africa episode...this episode was good. on ER standards tho...it wasnt that great. the only good part was when the police walked in on that one girl in the shower...cuz they were hiding the lady in labor..that was good. |
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| stcommodore | May 5 2006, 08:10 PM Post #18 |
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I can't believe you people. I know the mean average age of the posters here seems to be very young, but thats no excuse. ER has been in the quality we are use to in Chicago showing us what the world is ignoring in Africa. The UN cuts funding, drugs, and more and what do we all do? We would prefer to change the channel see better news, or go back to Chicago ER. I think in a way this epsiode had the character invlovment S1 had with only 6 characters, something we don't see anymore. We Mary McOrmick (sp?) in a totally different light then we did in West Wing and get a chance to see Carter again. It was an ensamble episode and finally taught Pratt it was time to grow up. Oh well, I still liked it. |
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| alizarin | May 5 2006, 09:01 PM Post #19 |
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It's not ironic, it's pathetic! They're just promoting their own side of the fan-wars. You can see the same posters dropping into other sites to stick up for Carter (nothing to do with the situation in Africa, though they'll try to have you believe it is!) So much for their assertion that ratings are dropping because of Luby - the lowest viewership of the season turns out to be one that focuses on their beloved Carter!
Doesn't matter whether you "believe you people" or not - posters are expressing their opinions, to which they are entitled. Just because viewers don't like the Africa episodes, doesn't make them bad people. I'm sure people DO care about the situation - but watching an episode of ER isn't going to make it all better. And why are you so sure that all of us are ignorant about Darfur? I get my news from BBC World Service radio and TV - where they've been covering the situation in the Sudan for some months now. There really is no need to get on your morally superior high horse about this just because you liked the show and others didn't. If you liked it - as others upthread have also done - why not write about that instead of hectoring those who were disappointed in it? ER is a TV show about an emergency room in inner-city Chicago - if that's what people tune in for - fine! |
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| GoofyGirl | May 5 2006, 10:00 PM Post #20 |
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It was okay and is was very nice to see Carter I missed him! But the previews for next week pissed me off first we all know Clemete is messed up so i say just put him in a nut house and they say stay tune for the big new and they luka and abby and i wanna no what i news is!!! |
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| Canuck21 | May 6 2006, 01:43 AM Post #21 |
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I've never been to Africa before but I know what suffering is. I was a refugee once in a refugee camp and know what hunger and sickness are, I've been through them but still, I couldn't careless about this episode. I watch ER for entertainment and I get entertained when it's in Chicago with my favorite characters. I was fine with the first few episodes in Africa but this is getting too much. People who usally don't care about world events care even less when things are shoved to them. |
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| Liana | May 6 2006, 07:19 AM Post #22 |
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Hmm. I am perfectly well aware that there is suffering and poverty in the world - I watch the news and read the papers. I don't need a fictional TV show to tell me that. That said, I am not averse to the idea of it being done - but it could be done as a miniseries or something, it doesn't need to be IMHO randomly inserted into a series of ER. I think the fact remains that the viewership aren't interested in an Africa episode, and when they read the summary in their TV guides or whatever saying it's (yet) another Africa episode, they don't bother to watch - not because they don't care about Africa or suffering or poverty but because they watch the show for their current favourite characters - and unless their favourite is Pratt, this episode doesn't offer anything in that respect - fans of Carter may watch for this reason but I think many of the Carter fans decided to stop watching when he left, and don't bother anymore. JMO. End ranting. |
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| Calla Queen | May 6 2006, 10:00 AM Post #23 |
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I just wanted to add another 2 cents to my previous post, in response to many of the "Pro-African" episode fans (for the sake of identification). I, as many others here, DO appreciate the political debacle of many of the world wide situations, not in only in Africa, but throughout the world...including many in the USA, my 'home country'. It all comes down to the political credo "What's In It For Me," ....a very short-sighted way to live in our very small world today. But the overwhelming financial consequences of acting on every one of them would quickly bankrupt every nation in the world. I am NOT insular, but I know my limitations as well, & vote my concience for my country's leaders, hoping they will actually use a more universal ethic than the norm, but knowing once in power, they likely will fall into temptation...."Money & Power corrupt...almost absolutely!" And especially in horrific, chaotic situations like a military coup or civil war. Pratt, Carter, Debbie, & Stephen are doing what one person can, within their abilities, which is far greater than many others. But still as one unarmed person, doing the right thing, you can easily bring your influance to an end in extreme situations like Darfur. The "Happy Ending" of There Are No Angels HEre was plausible only with the theatrical component of "suspended disbelief" that is absolutely mandatory to entertainment, with any kind of message, be it comedic, dramatic, or tragic. Based on this episode, I really question whether Carter has really learned as much about himself as he should have by now, especially about relationships & choices in the world. He still had the luxury of falling back on his family fortune when it came to "saving" the activist who'd been shot from jail. Business as usual for him! But how many of us could have "competed" with the effectiveness of his essentially "bottomless" wallet to go to for bribes? Take away the wallet & you have Pratt....with the same overconfidence & hubris to accept the "Angel" status so quickly. He has learned much in the past,.....been humbled by his errors & personal situations many times since his first appearance at County General, & he still holds to much the same view of himself & his relationship to others. SOOOO, back to the point,(FINALLY right?) ....I didn't enjoy these African episodes because the political spotlight on our 'beloved' ER characters did not seem to educate or effect very much character growth! The episodes in Rwanda/Congo seemed much more effective on both levels BECAUSE they did cause people to grow & change,...Luka, Abby, and even Carter to some extent!
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| Monchichi | May 6 2006, 11:52 AM Post #24 |
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Hello, I saw the eiposde last thursday and really wanted to find out the name and artist of the song that was played at the end. I've searched on the internet and can't seem to find it anywhere. I'm wondering if I can find some direction here? Thank you. |
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| Sydney | May 6 2006, 02:02 PM Post #25 |
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i dont like the fact that they did have any scenes back at County but i am happy that NBC would let their best show go to Darfur and really point out that there are problems there.i thought the episode was beautifully done and the music was great(too bad we will prolly never fin out what it is) my fave part...when that little boy came and took Pratts hand. soo cute |
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| i luv luka | May 6 2006, 05:05 PM Post #26 |
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it was definitly a good episode... though it was hard to believe that the characters were actually in darfur. like i read in an earlier post, "that's the cleanest IDP camp i've ever seen." it really does look incredibly fake. the fact that all the poor children had clothes on was hard to believe, because i have seen many a slum and most of the children have no clothes. but in this episode, they were all properly dressed and wearing brand new clothes. sorry i had to get that off my chest, it was bothering me. i do believe that, if, by showing all these episodes, nbc is helping to promote awareness, then it is a good idea. i hope that made sense somehow, sometimes my mind is all messed up. however, the darfur episodes really have nothing to do with the current ER plotlines so i am kind of disappointed. i do like catching up with debbie because we haven't seen her since the DRC episodes.the song at the end was nice; i would like to know what it is called. and yes, the scenes from next week look good. i knew it was only a matter of time before clemente went insane ER is winding down, and i'm not really looking forward to a summer of reruns and guessing. i'm wondering what kind of cliffhanger TPTB will leave us with...hm.... |
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| Kelly | May 6 2006, 08:17 PM Post #27 |
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That's why it's TV. I actually liked this episode cause it raised awareness to the genocide that's going on over there as we speak. I thought it was a good idea to incorporate it into a show that people actually watch. That's just my opinion. The episode itself wasn't all that bad either. I thought it was good. |
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| Yomine | May 6 2006, 08:21 PM Post #28 |
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I was bored, not that I don't appreciate things in Afrrica and the good thing is that they make northamerican people to be aware of what's going on, but still, I liked the actual ER |
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| Samka4evan'eva | May 7 2006, 02:22 PM Post #29 |
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I also think the Africa episodes are broing !!! Would anyone mind putting in the link for cranky recaps... I've lost the address !!! |
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| i luv luka | May 7 2006, 03:57 PM Post #30 |
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i think it was a good episode, although i have never seen an episode of ER that i don't like. no matter how bad everyone else thinks it is, i always seem to like each episode more and more. that's what most of my friends make fun of me for
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And it's Janjaweed, if I remember correctly. There were a lot of good points made in tonight's episode, and if you guys could get over yourselves, you might actually see that. It's real, it's happening, and these are peoples' lives that are being played with in Darfur. I've lived in Africa (though I am an American citizen) and seen that level of absolute poverty that boggles our western minds, so maybe it's a bit more real to me. *shrugs* But I applaud TPTB for shoving it down our throats, someone needs to!

....I didn't enjoy these African episodes because the political spotlight on our 'beloved' ER characters did not seem to educate or effect very much character growth! The episodes in Rwanda/Congo seemed much more effective on both levels BECAUSE they did cause people to grow & change,...Luka, Abby, and even Carter to some extent!







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