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All About Christmas Eve 12-08-05; Discuss the episode here.
Topic Started: Dec 8 2005, 10:54 PM (7,166 Views)
Delusions of Adequacy
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The patient's mother was in S9 and part of his really screwed up phase.and the girl in Africa (Gillian) was part of the same pattern. Before that and since that he's either been alone or very much a one woman guy. Andher was a virgin on his wedding night. The magazine he subscribed to was "Maxim" which is kinda like Cosmopolitan for guys, not porn.

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That's what makes all of them such a pain in the rear from time to time. But getting back from Africa? He was practically shouting to them about being able to do so much, downgrading patients who wasted the system as he saw it. But there is a basic point about it. He's an ER doctor, not a psychiatrist. He ought to realize, he should have especially learned that in Africa, that if people know they are going to be judged and graded by the doctors at the hospital, they are likely not to come. It is better to admit a problem that contain it to one's self because often, that's how they grow out of control. After all, I think most psychiatrists recognize eating disorders as a problem ............. but Luka's attitude that day, his approach, trivialized it.


Geez, you really need to get your episodes and seasons straight. the bulimic girls was in S9 and triggered Luka's "I'm just tired of it all" and then him asking Kerry for time away to sort himself out, all part of his depression and unhappiness in that season. Pretty much all of Luka's sexual mis behaviour (no, strike that, all of it) was in S9 and the whole point was that it was totally out of character for him - in other words, he doesn't screw around and that fact that he did was meant to show a guy who was just about going under). before that and after than he's been monogamous. It was nothing to do with his coming back from Africa. When he got back from Africa he was all about using basic diagnostic methods instead of relying on expensive tests which cost the patient money.

The incident with the wife beater was about the wife, not Lukas ego. The risk he took was getting himself puched in the face and that's what he got. If what happens off screen can't be brought up then why bring up him surviving the war?

Also the drive to loads of sexual activity will only damage a relationship if it happens outside the relationship. We have never seen Luka be unfaithful to anyone and llike I said all the sex previously wasn't about something Luka usually does or that made him happy, it was about him being very unhappy.

Alizarin is right, Pratt backed Luka up later and seemed to see the point of what he had been trying to do witht he whole testing thing. Anyway the example you gave of his post Africa behaviour didn't happen post Africa so I guess it's moot.

Honestly? If you're going to lay out a whole theory of a character you need to watch the episodes carefully and in order. They add up that way.
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Delusions of Adequacy
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The magazine he subscribed to was "Maxim" which is kinda like Cosmopolitan for guys, not porn.

Honestly? If you're going to lay out a whole theory of a character you need to watch the episodes carefully and in order. They add up that way.

A and B:

A: The school saw it as porn and threw Alex "into the clink" for it. It was porn enough for Alex to be hurt.

B: Got to judge them on what I see and "Luka" really hasn't shown me anything to judge him otherwise.
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Great episode, I always love "ER" holiday episodes :) I think it's weird that they also replaced the actor who played Steve, since they just replaced Oliver Davis with Dominic Janes. I wonder what all the switcheroos are about...At the end of the episode, it said "In Memory of Everett Sherman" does anyone know who he was?
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I don't know who is Everett Sherman but i just wanna say that i miss Oliver, he was really great as Alex :wub: ...i don't like the new Alex...
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"Maxim" is NOT porn, you buy it on the shelves on my local supermarket. Have you actually looked at a copy? Sheesh! You didn't even know what it was called! How can you possibly know what's in it?

And really, your views on Luka's character are getting waaaaay off topic. Why not take it to the Luka thread - most of it has nothing to do with this episode. Your repetitive (and often inaccurate) observations are getting boring for people who want to read about the episode. (And to that end, I apologise to everyone for being off topic too!)
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Got to judge them on what I see and "Luka" really hasn't shown me anything to judge him otherwise.


Your facts are wrong, you've mixed whole seasons up and don't know about a whole bunch of stuff about Luka.

See my point is that you've admitted that you haven't seen a lot of stuff so it isn't that Luka hasn't shown it only that you haven't watched it and what you have watched you've gotten scrambled up. BIIIIG difference there.

Anyhow, topic. Yeah - Oliver Davis made Alex a real character not just some dead eyed "troubled kid". I miss the little guy. I liked Alex a lot more than I liked Sam at the end of last season but I'm getting zip from the new kid.
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I think it's weird that they also replaced the actor who played Steve, since they just replaced Oliver Davis with Dominic Janes.


It's not weird - it's all to do with availability of the actors. Cole Hauser (who played the original Steve - brilliantly in my view, because he managed to combine creepy with charming) couldn't come back due to other commitments, then Oliver Davis also got a new part that didn't allow time for ER. I totally agree that new Alex is not a patch on Oliver. The one I feel sorry for is LC - who's now gotta really carry the scenes with both actors. She's doing a great job, though.
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And really, your views on Luka's character are getting waaaaay off topic. Why not take it to the Luka thread - most of it has nothing to do with this episode. Your repetitive (and often inaccurate) observations are getting boring for people who want to read about the episode. (And to that end, I apologise to everyone for being off topic too!)


Alizarin, you don't need to apologize for your short, appropriate paragraph you wrote in your post to Aurora Briteyes Otter Fasthorse.

Obviously, she hates the Luka character. She says not but then raves for several long posts. You're right - she should take it to the Luka thread and vent over there, although I don't think she'll receive a real warm welcome! :irritated:

This thread is about the episode. It is where the different characters and their actions should be discussed. That's why I like this board and the people who come here. They express opinions about different characters (some negative) but they don't devote long posts to "beat one character to death" :hit: :med:

If some people like to do that, there are several ER boards out there that I don't even visit anymore. The posters are so vicious about the characters and each other that occasionally the Administrator has to "break it up" fairly harshly.

So don't apologize, Alizarin, for your paragraph. I think I and a lot of others feel like you do! :Brandon:

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:)

Thank you!
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Page three, this section. I did start off talking about the episode but what I said about Luka concerning this episode was contested ........... and here we are.

Episode wise, the writers called Maxim the porn, not me. Just repeating how it was presented ................ (so don't take the free speech arguement up with me, but with the writers).

Oh, and btw ................ things and times vary. When I was a teen, they sold those illustrated by drawings paperback sex novels, the ones with the detailed, rather graphic writings by the shelfload in convenience stores.
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Thank you for your answer...i know what it is  ...i only ask because i'm french and i don't know how you call this thing in english! 

i don't know if it's a last minute gift ..someone told me Luka offered her one in a previous christmas.... so maybe it's a kind of joke beetwen them???
Does anyone remember this in a previous season????


De rien, Your WElcome! I am sorry that I mistakenly assumed you did not know what it was made of. But you are right! Luka gave Abby a gift of a snow globe that played 'Greensleeves' as her 'secret Santa' two years before, when she was still with Carter. In the Hindsight epi I believe. But I don't think it was a joke...she just hadn't thought to get him something before he mentioned his gift to her.

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As far as safe sex goes ...... or the lack there of ........ and all the implications there within, maybe it is just me who operates on things like check everything twice, always ask, assume nothing, when you start to think of possibilities then it is time to take care of them, think ahead what could mess you up and then go out and stop it before it materializes and most importantly, NO MATTER WHAT THEY SAY, TAKE YOUR OWN PROTECTIVE MEASURES, then this situation is even more inconceivable.


All I can say to you ..is "YOU GO GIRL!" You are very smart to handle your life this way. :clap: However on TV they don't often show or indicate the type of protection that is so very necessary to prevent both pregnancy & disease. But as I said 3 pages or so ago....no method is ever 100% effective in preventing unwanted pregnancies EXCEPT Abstinance,....which has been the method of choice for Abby & Luka previous to a few epis ago. ANd As I said during the Carter/Kem affair,......How did two people so well educated & aware of the AIDS & pregnancy problems allow themselves to "get caught" ? Very irresponsible, right? :hit:
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Wow. That's about all I can say on the entire episode. I loved it and I found it pretty funny it parts, it was a lot like "old school ER"... I just still don't know Abby Luka thing. It'd be cool if Abby was pregnant. She is always really scared about that stuff and I'd love to see her with a kid!!!! I just don't like Luka with her. I even liked that med student with her better...whatever his name was...

It really looked like they were going to break up and then she just blurts it out. I wonder if she's sure...or if this is just something to keep us wondering until next episode... Should be interesting.
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Happy Holidays and a great New Year to everyone at ERHQ! :Brandon:

As a Christmas present to you, I will keep this short!

Briana, I don't think Luka and Abby will break up. I think the way the eppy ended was a ploy by the writers/TPTB to keep us in suspense. They ended the eppy immediately after Luka found out, and of course, he was extremely surprised and caught off guard. They didn't allow even a nanosecond to show his reaction to the news.

Then they let us sit for almost a month to show the next eppy! ;) :iffy:

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You know when it is the next episode of ER ?
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the first Thurs in Jan 2006, on the 5th! :yahoo: Thank God that they won't put it off another week!! :Hyper:
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