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All About Christmas Eve 12-08-05; Discuss the episode here.
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lindz10
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Hey do you know where I can find screen caps for this eppy? I've been looking for them but cant find any...can anyone help?
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lindz10
Dec 11 2005, 12:21 PM
Hey do you know where I can find screen caps for this eppy? I've been looking for them but cant find any...can anyone help?

are there any particular scene you are looking for? i can try capyure them for you on my comp...
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Dec 11 2005, 11:49 AM
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How do you call Abby's gift to Luka in english???
Luka's gift was a great idea... 


Abby's gift is called a SNOW GLOBE ......they put any scenery or person's picture inside , usually in 3D & cover it with glass (or the cheap ones are plastic) filled with water & glitter or plastic flakes to look like snow falling when you shake it. But I could not make out what was inside the one she bought.......could you? Anyone? It obviously was a last minute gift from the hospital giftshop....but they still can be nice.
And YES, I thought Luka's gift was very thoughtful.

Thank you for your answer...i know what it is ^_^ ...i only ask because i'm french and i don't know how you call this thing in english! ^_^

i don't know if it's a last minute gift ..someone told me Luka offered her one in a previous christmas.... so maybe it's a kind of joke beetwen them???
Does anyone remember this in a previous season????
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Pretty sure Maura Tierney is not pregnant.

I think the snow globe had a view of Chicago in it.

And here's what I'm thinking - never mind ER Chief, they should make King of the World because he cooks, he does dishes, he bakes bread, he's gorgeous as all get out and he knows how to buy gifts even for the mothers of paramedics. I'm so in love.
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Dec 11 2005, 12:43 PM
And here's what I'm thinking - never mind ER Chief, they should make King of the World because he cooks, he does dishes, he bakes bread, he's gorgeous as all get out and he knows how to buy gifts even for the mothers of paramedics. I'm so in love.

I like your thinking! :P

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This season so far has been very good, the episodes remind me of those of early years. Season 10 was quite boring, so much so that I gave up on ER and missed seaon 11 completely. I didn't expect much from this season and was very disapointed that Susan was gone again but boy am I glad that I took a peek and stayed around.

Throughout the years, I've been on and off of ER and never saw Luby I in its entirety and only saw some glimpses. I wanted Carby to succeed so much because Carter and Abby were my farovite characters at the time but to be frank, their romantic chemistry was lacking and they were much better as friends. The worse thing though was Carter and Kem. Gosh, I couldn't stand them at all and that season pushed me away from the show. Now I'm discovering Luby II and it's awsome! I've never seen Luka and Abby so happy before.

Is season 12 the last season? That was the rumour two years ago and I'm wondering if anyone has heard anything about the series' future. If the show continues to be this good, I would like it to go on for a couple more years.
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Calla Queen: Thank you.

And for all that you said, okay, given, accepted. Admittedly, I don't know all the episodes.

As far as safe sex goes ...... or the lack there of ........ and all the implications there within, maybe it is just me who operates on things like check everything twice, always ask, assume nothing, when you start to think of possibilities then it is time to take care of them, think ahead what could mess you up and then go out and stop it before it materializes and most importantly, NO MATTER WHAT THEY SAY, TAKE YOUR OWN PROTECTIVE MEASURES, then this situation is even more inconceivable.

About Luka always wanting to have a family since he lost his own. Er, that doesn't ring right. First of all, he's been around for six years. If he wanted another one, why now? Why accidently? He has had plenty of time, plenty of oppurtunity to start another one deliberately before.

But then there is another point. He boinks like mad. From the reality standpoint, that is more of the attitude of someone who isn't ready to settle down (again) as the phrase goes.

It just seems the wrong kind of attitude, the wrong kind of expectation, all puns intended, that after maintaining a stud image that he would suddenly change to being with one woman, curtail his attitude, even modify his liking of women from being slim to being not so slim.

It may be all nice and all that he suddenly has the oppurtunity to start a new family ......... but his past behavior doesn't support that.

Luka seems to come across as super ego no matter how it is cut.

Remember when he got back from Africa? Hyping around on warp drive, saying how it was possible to do all that work to the rest of the ER staff? Rather beratting them for not being able to do it? Shouting down at the overdose patient because she used up so many tax dollars to lose a few pounds?

In short, hey, who died and made you God? Who made you the judge?

But he does judge and judges based on his estimations. When he thought the wife beater should be confined and then hyped the situation to start a fight, to get him confined?

It goes both ways as well. Cynthia Nixon is down and out and yet, still sees Luka as Apollo. Luka can drive his car like mad, put everyone else at risk, put people in the hospital, but he will walk away from it. Of course, he is shown remorseful, but Luka is like Colonel Kilgore, Air Cav, in Apocalypse Now: He never gets hit, not seriously (note comment up above about wife beater).

And let us not forget the begining. He leaves the house and the mortar falls then, at that time, and takes out his family. But Luka is fine, physically.

Think about it for a moment and compare: Mark Greene, attacked in the rest room. John Carter, stabbed and addicted to drugs. Pratt, face to the pavement and tossed in the klink. In Chicago, they have all had their moments of weakness. But not Luka. Never gets hit.

(Now, I could be wrong, there might be exceptions because I don't know all the episodes but from what I've seen, he's cast as Apollo and with Apollo comes an incredible ego).

About Abby being pregnant, law of averages, and story lines. Of course it is a story line but this is what divides a drama from a soap opera. In a soap opera, one doesn't care about logic or continuity or what was written last week. They write the story to make the point now as exciting as possible. Ie, such as Amanda's mother in Melrose Place being Hillary Michaels one season but someone else a few more down the road.

But in a drama, one tries to maintain consistency. Why? Because one wants to communicate to the audience a decent possibility that they could be in it, they could be there.

Now, of course, even ER isn't totally like that. I wish I had the nuclear batteries like they do as they go from day to day (well, actually, I do, but they don't put out that kind of energy, that kind of SPUNK!). Think about it for a moment, Abby goes from student rotation in nurse's shift and back to student rotation, straight? Sure, a lot of us could do it but could we issue medical care, if so trained, confidently? Between that, the bed hopping sex, I would say their certain degree of idealism, and an unanswered question here and there such as no discipline directed against Sam for hitting a patient, it's not reality. (and it shouldn't be reality, rather hate those kind of shows that do it for entertainment)

But it's basically there. There is a certain level of consistency, there is a level of character development, they don't bring in some Seven of Nine and turn all the attention of the show over to her, and so forth.

But when they do things that would be "nice" that fly in the face of possibilities, when they start showing an ideal world, then it can a little bit hard on the nerves.

Sure, it may had been hard on Kerry to go thru her legal battles as she did, it would have been a lot nicer if she didn't but face it, that's the way the world is. And it's doing it like that which makes the show a hit.
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Dec 12 2005, 03:17 AM
Is season 12 the last season? That was the rumour two years ago and I'm wondering if anyone has heard anything about the series' future. If the show continues to be this good, I would like it to go on for a couple more years.

I've read that there will be two more seasons after season 12! They sign for season 13 and 14! That's all i know! ^_^
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hello!! i new here ^_^ and my english is not so good so .. sorry about that -_-

mm... there are some pictures of this episode??? :wub:




byE!!!!
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:roll: I LOVE LUBY II!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I can't get enough!

Abby: Are we spending Christmas together?
Luka: That's what you said last night.
Abby: No I didn't.
Luka: You probably don't remember other things you said last night.
Abby: (blushing and smiling) Shut up!


CUTE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If anyone wants to read a detailed and very funny recap of the episode, go to crankyrecaps.blogspot.com

It's worth it!
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But then there is another point. He boinks like mad.


Not really. Season 9 was supposed to be Luka off balance and Gillian was part of that pattern. Before that there was Abby and Nicole the rebound gal. After that there was Sam for about a year and since her nothing until Abby. The promiscuous phase wasn't about sexual health it was about spelling out in letters THIS BIG that Luka was in trouble and struggling.

I'm still not getting the ego stuff either. As for him never getting hit - Pauly the wife beater, the mugger, viscious midget, patient's dad recently, Mai Mai - the writers seem to have thing about smacking Luka around IMO. He nearly died in Africa and the fact that he didn't doesn't make him any different from Carter who also failed to die following the knife attack. I'm not sure what point you're making about Luka not dying with his family. If he'd died with his kids and wife he wouldn't be in Chicago with his Tragic Past would he?

They all judge too. Mark (who took it to the max, letting the guy die), Benton, Doug, Carter, Abby - every last one of them. benton was more egotistical than Luka by a mile and Carter was pissier. As for when he got back from Africa - he felt passionate about it, about saving costs by not using unecessary procedures and about residents and students learning proper diagnostic methods not relying on ass covering tests. If anyone had died because of what he was doing I'd agree that we were being shown Luka as wrong, but they didn't.

Guess you don't like Luka much and that's fine but I'm not seeing that these are character traits carried only by him.

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Not getting the super human ego thing, either.

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As for when he got back from Africa - he felt passionate about it, about saving costs by not using unecessary procedures and about residents and students learning proper diagnostic methods not relying on ass covering tests. If anyone had died because of what he was doing I'd agree that we were being shown Luka as wrong, but they didn't.


In fact, didn't we hear Pratt stick up for Luka regarding this? I can't remember the exact incident, but sometime in S10 he told Dubenko, I think, that "Dr Kovac doesn't like us to do unneccesary tests." I got the impression that Pratt was fully on board with it by that time.
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Dec 12 2005, 12:06 PM
Not really.  Season 9 was supposed to be Luka off balance and Gillian was part of that pattern.  Before that there was Abby and Nicole the rebound gal.  After that there was Sam for about a year and since her nothing until Abby.


I'm not sure where they fit in season wise, but I seem to remember a mother of some child in the suiture room and a hooker here and there. Not to mention some girl in Africa.

Delusions of Adequacy
Dec 12 2005, 12:06 PM
The promiscuous phase wasn't about sexual health it was about spelling out in letters THIS BIG that Luka was in trouble and struggling.


Problems or not, it still comes down that he boinks alot. Think about it for a moment. He's with Sam and he gets Stuffed (or whatever it was) magazine. Was it truely for the articles on electronics as he told the principal? Or did he need, for whatever reason, some sort of other woman on the side despite having Sam?

Now, one might say, "Well, what was he going to do, cancel his subscription?" Perhaps or lock it up. Is that so unreasonable when he has a child about his place? I'm single and childless, my apartment is filled with police data such as on homicide, body recovery, forensics, human trafficking, but whenever I go where my niece and nephew will be, I ensure that data is not with me or locked up under absolute sinlge lock and key.

But.......don't see that in him.

There may be a psychological reason why he boinks a lot but the basic point is, regardless of the reason, this drive will destroy a relationship, not aid it. Something else as well, if it really is a psychological problem which it very well may be, if it is his way of handling some sort of stress, ........... what possibly makes anyone think that being in a relationship, with all its assorted stress elements, will "cure" it?

Delusions of Adequacy
Dec 12 2005, 12:06 PM
As for him never getting hit - Pauly the wife beater, the mugger, viscious midget, patient's dad recently, Mai Mai - the writers seem to have thing about smacking Luka around IMO.


I included the wife beater but remember, Luka provoked that, he asked for it. That could easily be seen as an attitude of being invincible, getting what he wanted with little risk to himself. As oppose to the others, I don't know them; I don't get all the episodes so if that is the case, it is a possibility. Still, for someone who supposedly gets hit a lot ........................ he looks rather good.

Delusions of Adequacy
Dec 12 2005, 12:06 PM
He nearly died in Africa and the fact that he didn't doesn't make him any different from Carter who also failed to die following the knife attack.
Which is why I only limited it to Chicago except for the Crotia reference. I knew he got injured in Africa but didn't know how bad. All I saw was him loaded on the airplane. So I only mentioned Luka and the others in Chicago, no where else, to keep the playing field level. After all, the show occurrs in Chi town.

Delusions of Adequacy
Dec 12 2005, 12:06 PM
If he'd died with his kids and wife he wouldn't be in Chicago with his Tragic Past would he?
True enough but perhaps that things that happen off camera are out of bounds, anyhow. If it is in bounds, then it goes to never being hit (much).

Delusions of Adequacy
Dec 12 2005, 12:06 PM
They all judge too.  Mark (who took it to the max, letting the guy die), Benton, Doug, Carter, Abby - every last one of them. benton was more egotistical than Luka by a mile and Carter was pissier.  As for when he got back from Africa - he felt passionate about it, about saving  costs by not using unecessary procedures and about residents and students learning proper diagnostic methods not relying on ass covering tests.


Sure they all judge. That's what makes all of them such a pain in the rear from time to time. But getting back from Africa? He was practically shouting to them about being able to do so much, downgrading patients who wasted the system as he saw it. But there is a basic point about it. He's an ER doctor, not a psychiatrist. He ought to realize, he should have especially learned that in Africa, that if people know they are going to be judged and graded by the doctors at the hospital, they are likely not to come. It is better to admit a problem that contain it to one's self because often, that's how they grow out of control. After all, I think most psychiatrists recognize eating disorders as a problem ............. but Luka's attitude that day, his approach, trivialized it.

Delusions of Adequacy
Dec 12 2005, 12:06 PM
Guess you don't like Luka much and that's fine but I'm not seeing that these are character traits carried only by him.
Well, that is what makes horse races. As far as like him or not, that's probably debatable. Wouldn't trust him in the open air, medically perhaps, but not elsewhere. He's got an attitude basis like a surgeon, the assumption that he's always right. Granted, at times, he shifts the other way, but that really only shows inconsistency which is dangerous as well.

As far as not liking him? The only ones I really don't like is Morris and Kayson. Morris because of actions, I still think he should have shot for smoking grass. Kayson because of attitude.

But Luka? Just don't see him as the angelic hunk that so many others do.
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Dec 13 2005, 12:46 AM


Morris because of actions, I still think he should have shot for smoking grass.

WTF?

Pretty judgemental for someone who detests this attitude on others :rolleyes:
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Dec 13 2005, 03:09 AM
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Dec 13 2005, 12:46 AM


Morris because of actions, I still think he should have shot for smoking grass.

WTF?

Pretty judgemental for someone who detests this attitude on others :rolleyes:

Got to remember where he was, what he was doing at the time, how he got the grass to begin with, and what he was doing afterwards.

He was on duty in the hospital and he went out to smoke a joint. Is this the person you want working on you?

He got the grass from a patient who depended on it for medication. Contraband or not, he stole it from a patient for his fun, nevermind about whatever benefit the patient was getting for it.

Finally, while everyone else is rushing around trying to handle the emergency because of the copter crash, he just sits there, zoned out, staring.

And this guy is now the head resident?

There is a term for this. It's called gross negligence and had anyone died under his care while he was like this, it would be manslaughter. Now, they don't shoot people for manslaughter ......................... but what he did was quite serious. Grounds enough to fire him, grounds enough probably to lift his license .......................... especially since I don't think we've ever seen any remorse what so ever.
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