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| jujubee | Sep 25 2005, 03:24 PM Post #91 |
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:wacko: First of all, I'm not middle-aged and I don't think Maura Tierney is ugly but I don't think she's beautiful either. She's just an average looking 40 year old woman and that's fine. If I were going to pile on the make-up, I'd want to look like Catherine Zita Jones or Angelina Jolie, not Maura! Thanks but no thanks.
I wouldn't say that about the Susan-Carter fans either but that's because they aren't strangely obsessive like some of the carby fans. What's with the Carby-yuss religion? It's completely wacko! So I have no choice but to assume they're just big Abby fans and not much more. Why would anyone want to condemn Carter to a life with her if they cared about him as a character and not just about a fantasy life for Abby? Sorry if it offended you but the thought of anyone supporting carby is just bizarre to me. |
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| Noah Carter | Sep 25 2005, 09:02 PM Post #92 |
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I was a fan of the Carter/Lucy relationship. If the writers had to revive someone from death, id pick Lucy cause they had a good thing going. I liked the episode where they kissed. |
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| ashmo | Sep 25 2005, 11:00 PM Post #93 |
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I made an assumption, like you did about Carby fans. I have no idea how old you are I was just proving a point that you don't know if most Carby supporters are what you ASSUMED they were. I don't know if all non Carby supporters are what I ASSUMED they were. Point.
You are not a fan of Carter and Abby together you have no idea what any reasons for other s would be. Also why couldn't anyone just be really big fans of Carter and that's why they like Carby? It's because in YOUR opinion Abby is not as good fo a character as Carter |
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| Gemma | Sep 26 2005, 06:25 AM Post #94 |
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In my opinion, Abby is generally a very dull character. She is very self absorbed and always seems to be after attention. |
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| MsMomERLover | Sep 26 2005, 08:48 AM Post #95 |
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In all fairness, there are not that many Carby lovers - these boards are just filled with a few people who post continually on behalf of that relationship. In contrast, I am finding that most anti-Carbies don't post or don't post about relationships.
But, we may be doomed to see that pairing again because Zabel and Germill were the authors of Luka/Abby pairing and that relationship looks like it's back on the horizon.
That's the point - Carter left happy and in love. I think that Kem is actually a very likable character, but what we saw so little of her (I think less than 4 hours worth of footage over 2 years) that most people don't feel like they know enough about her. And a lot of the negative information about her comes from people who want the character eliminated in order to facilitate a return to Carter and Abby. I think that we well get to know a lot more about Kem in Carter's story arc in Season 12. We may even get some clarification as to whether they will stay in Africa or move back to Chicago once the clinic named after their son has opened. |
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| LoveSeason10 | Sep 26 2005, 09:29 AM Post #96 |
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Hi ashmo, I am saddened that you were offended by the comment as to who the majority of the Carby supporters are. However, the fact is that most of the ones who post on this board (and the same ones post on other boards as well) who are in favor of that relationship are young teens or in their early 20s. As for being middle-aged and wanting to look like Maura Tierney, I have to agree with jujubee on this one. Tierney is just okay-looking for her age. She's not a knockout, she's not got a great sexy body (she needed some serious tricep work in the episode "Saint in the City"), she's just okay. And I think that MsMom did an excellent job of naming actresses who are in their 50s who look as Maura. Famke Janssen, Haile Berry, Patricia Arquette, etc. are all in their 40s and look as good, if not better, than Maura. So I don't think Maura Tierney should not get special recognition for her 'looking good at her age'. But that's not the issue. If Abby's character were written as an older woman who wants to love younger men, then I could completely respect that. However, the Abby character really is written as if Abby is in her mid-to-late 20s or early 30s, and Maura Tierney simply(despite all of lighting and other attempts to hide her age) does not look that young. Women are not the only ones who see this, but most men see this as well. If you ask a man if Maura looks good, they will say, "Yes, she's pretty." If you ask the same man if she looks like she is in her mid-to-late 20s or even early 30s then that same person is more likely to laugh than he is to say yes. This situation is only exacerbated when young men like Carter and Kovac (both of whom look like they are in the mid20s to early30s) are shown side-by-side with her, because they make her look even older.
This is precisely why threads like this exist. It gives everyone an opportunity to see the facts upon which the dedication to a particular relationship rest.
Actually, that sounds like a prima facie reason why one would like Kem over Abby considering that Kem never treated him as crappy as Abby did. But anyway...
I agree with enruobmal. So far, even in situations where I would not have expected it, Abby has been all about herself and how things affect her. Actually, I respect the writers for making a character like this, because these people do exist. However, it is also one of those things that makes Carter and Abby so incompatible. |
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| MsMomERLover | Sep 28 2005, 09:25 AM Post #97 |
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There is that aspect of Tierney playing Abby that makes the character very difficult to understand and believe. Then there is also the fact that Abby is essentially a 40-year old, recovering alcoholic, divorcee, who aborted her first child (perhaps without her husband's approval), whose family has a serious streak of mental illness, and who is just now starting to get her life in order. She is not the young woman struggling to adjust to life outside of her parent's home or life after college. She is not the innocent Barbie Doll like character who is starting to pull everything together. She is a mature, older woman with tons more life experience than either John or Luka and several times she has rejected the type of life that they are seeking. There is no responsible parent alive who would seek to wed their never before married child to such a person (i.e., John). And I would think that even Luka's father would be very very concerned. Ultimately, the writers need to have Abby look for someone with equivalent life experience, otherwise she really comes off as this odd Mrs. Robinson-like character. |
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| Delusions of Adequacy | Sep 28 2005, 05:37 PM Post #98 |
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I don't think I can agree with that. Luka was married, a father, bereaved, killed a guy, screwed himself over pretty darned good in S9, nearly died in Africa - he's packed some "life experience in" IMO. And I think GV does a good job of playing Luka older than he is himself. Luka comes over as near 40 to me. I don't care about MTs looks one little bit. She looks fine - but she doesn't look in her early 30s. And thats not a bad thing. It isn't only young things who are attractive. Its been her personality which has gotten on my very last nerve. Actually that's not true, it's the fact that even though we've seen her be completely up herself, mean to her mother, bossy with her brother, snotty with Luka, not there for Carter and totally professinally arrogant and superior it's obvious that the writers think she's got a right to be just that and want us to love her for it. At least in the premiere Pratt took her down a peg and youknow what? I liked her better for it. It's all the Abby worship from the writers which makes me pissed off with her. |
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| LoveSeason10 | Sep 28 2005, 07:15 PM Post #99 |
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Good point! When I think of Abby's life experiences, I see someone who has had the opportunity to have a family, to be married several times and she deliberately rejected those opportunities on each occasion. However, when I think of Luka, I see someone who had his family and his marriage forcibly taken away from him, and his past destructive behaviors are directly linked to the fact that he doesn't know how best to get that back. So it's hard for me to see Luka and Abby as being in a similar situation in their lives, because he is in his position because of what was done to him, whereas she is in her position because of what she did to herself.
Absolutely - older women are attractive. One of the things that I respected about Kim Cattrall as Sam on Sex in the City is that she was older, attractive and attracted to men of all ages, and that she was comfortable with it. However, Abby seems to be written as a much younger woman than Tierney. So instead of an older woman who is attractive, loving her age, and loving men, it seems like we get a 20-to early-30 something Abby who is being portrayed by an actress who is simply too old for the role as it is currently written. And if this show actually continues on for another 4 or 5 years, I think that the mismatch will be too obvious for them to hide. In fact, it almost makes me feel sad for Tierney because I think that they have boxed her into a corner here.
I agree sometimes Abby gets a lot of criticism based on people's dislike for worshippers - I absolutely am guilty of this from time-to-time. I don't mind a flawed Abby, who is "...up herself, mean to her mother, bossy with her brother, snotty with Luka, not there for Carter and totally professionally arrogant and superior it's obvious that the writers think she's got a right to be just that and want us to love her for it...", because there are a lot of people in the world who are just like that character. However, I think your very accurate description of Abby's character is one of many reasons why she is not right for Carter, and maybe not right for Luka (I like Luka and I think that he genuinely cares more for others than Abby). Anyway, thanks. Your comments really made me think. |
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| sepia865 | Sep 29 2005, 12:03 AM Post #100 |
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Dang...what's with all the Kem/Carter hate? Obviously he loved Kem more or he would not have made the sacrifices he made. He also wouldn't have kept pursuing her even when she was putting him off. That's REAL love. I think when Carter comes back he will have nothing but good news about his life with Kem. I can't see the producers creating a lot of drama there when Noah Wyle will only be making a few appearances--that's if the show survives another season without him. |
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| LoveSeason10 | Sep 29 2005, 11:00 AM Post #101 |
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Hi sepia865 and welcome to the ERHQ. I agree. I think that many people have been shocked by Kem/Carter hate, but I don't think that it is based on things from the show. It's more a matter of whether one supports Abby in everything regardless of how odd or dislikable her actions may be. Anyway...I agree that if one basis one's opinion on what was written, the personality and goals of the characters, then one can easily see Kem as the best possible match for Carter. I honestly don't know who the best possible match for Abby is? I honestly think that person has not yet appeared on the show. However, it sounds like Luka may get a second chance so we'll see. |
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| MsMomERLover | Sep 30 2005, 11:44 AM Post #102 |
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Hi all, Sorry about my absence, but I thing to do for my kids. LoveSeason10
Delusions of Adequacy
I couldn't agree more, especially after watching last night's episode, "Nobody's Baby". This woman has an awful personality!!! Last night's episode gave us yet more examples of Abby's personality: She tears up a postcard written to everyone in the ER, just because Jake didn't address it to her only, even though she was the one who got rid of him. What is she 11 years old? Are we supposed to find that cute? She declines to do her duty as a doctor with the saleswoman because she didn't like the woman's attitude. What??? It's called the Hippocratic oath and it applies to people you like and don't like. She is so immature to be so old and full of experience. But, I got the sense that we were supposed to cheer for Abby because she calls the woman a "bi***". Compare her actions to Kerry in Season 9 episode "A Boy Falling Out of the Sky". Kerry is actually mugged by a man, who is then hit by a car. Does she refuse to look at him, or even use this as opportunity to get her purse back? No, she is a professional - an adult. She immediately goes over to the man and attempts to administer emergency medical procedures to him. Abby is clearly not adult enough to do her job, and she certainly isn't adult enough to be in a serious relationship, and she isn't adult enough to take on the role of motherhood even though it appears that may happen for her this season. All of this crap we see and hear about her making a good mother and having a strong "maternal instinct" from a few of the show's producers and from her fans, ignores the simple fact that this woman has already been a mother. She decided to kill that baby. I don't care if you are pro-choice or anti-choice (i.e., pro-life), the fact remains that she got rid of her first baby. And she did so not because of the standard reasons of poverty or being a single mother. She could afford to have the baby - it wouldn't have starved or gone without its basic needs unfilled. The baby's father was involved in her life, had married her, and he even wanted children. He didn't beat her or abuse her in any way, and she had no reason to believe that he would abuse any children they might have. Was it because of the mental illness in her family? If so, then why push so hard for her try to have a baby a second time? That part of her life certainly hasn't changed. Basically, she decided to kill that baby because it didn't fit into her life at the time. Is that evidence of her "strong maternal" instinct??? I think that it is evidence of just the opposite.Not only did she get rid of her first baby, but she compounded the severity of her actions by not even getting her husband's, the baby's father's opinion, before she killed the child. What a great life partner. Even if she didn't want the baby, he could have adopted it and it would have been out of her life at that point so she could do whatever it is that she wanted to do with her life. The fact is she acted to end a life that she was only half responsible for without getting the knowledge and consent of the other party. That is a cold and selfish person. Abby is not a responsible adult, she is not a caring and sharing life partner, and she does not have a strong maternal instinct. She's not right for Carter (who is the exact opposite of all those things), and I really doubt that she is right for Luka. Sorry for the rant, but the antics in last night’s show were ridiculous. |
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| LoveSeason10 | Sep 30 2005, 02:28 PM Post #103 |
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Wow Ms. Mom, That's a mouthful. It's brave to talk about serious topics like abortion, and I was really happy when ER introduced it as part of Abby's character.However, I get the feeling that the producers have abandoned this part of her character's complexity because they are afraid of the potential economic impact on the show if it receives negative publicity. If Abby becomes pregnant, it will be interesting to see if the producers will mention that storyline again. They may be forced to if U.S. right-wing and conservative groups get wind of that development and Abby's background. It could certainly make for a more interesting show than what we've been getting lately. I also am always amazed when people talk about Abby making a good mother, and how those same people are able to ignore the fact that she has been a mother and rejected that opportunity by having an abortion. If Kem had had an abortion, we would never hear the end of it. It would be, 'Kem is a baby killer.' 'Kem is unworthy of a baby because of her abortion.' 'Kem is unworthy of Carter because of what she did in the past.' And on and on. But Abby has had an abortion, and these same people don't have anything negative to say??? It's funny and sad. |
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| BballLT15 | Oct 7 2005, 03:39 PM Post #104 |
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ABBY!!!! carby for eva!! |
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| LoveSeason10 | Oct 8 2005, 10:07 AM Post #105 |
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lol Well, I'll take the positive over the negative every time - so it's Kem over Abby every day of the week. |
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And I would think that even Luka's father would be very very concerned.
I think that it is evidence of just the opposite.
It's brave to talk about serious topics like abortion, and I was really happy when ER introduced it as part of Abby's character.

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