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| Who is the best girl for Carter? | |
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| LoveSeason10 | Sep 21 2005, 12:24 PM Post #76 |
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Good question.As far as I can tell the phrase "Carkem" was devised by Carby group. I have never heard of scripts or script notes or anything officially endorsed by ER that refers to Carter and Kem like this. All the shipping titles like Carby, Carkem, Luby, etc. date back to the Hollywood fad in 2002-2003 of calling couples by a mixed name like "Bennifer". Although that fad in Hollywood is now passe, some groups still insist on using that habit. I am split between liking and not liking that habit regarding naming couples. It certainly makes it quicker to type, but in some ways it also seems a bit out-of-date and infantile to me.
I agree, and thank you for the examples. Now that I think about time and Carter and Abby, I remember in Season 9 epi "Finders Keepers" when Luka asks Carter and Abby how long have they been together, and Carter says absolutely nothing, and Abby shrugs her shoulders. Yikes...even Luka could see the end coming.
That is the gazillion dollar question surrounding Abby Lockhart. Basically, from what we know about her in Seasons 6 - 11, this is a woman who has had relationships with 4 different men (e.g., Richard, Luka, John, and Jake) all of whom wanted to settle down and have families. None of these relationships worked. She is 0 for 4 in relationships like that. There is talk that maybe Abby is in the baby-having frame of mind, because in Seasons 10 and 11 she did a lot of baby related episodes (i.e., NICU, The Show Must Go On, etc.). So there may be some element of truth to that line of speculation. However, the fact remains that Abby has had a baby before. It was a baby with her ex-husband Richard, and she decided to have that pregnancy aborted. So her perspective on having a family may or may not have changed since that time. In some ways, Abby reminds me a bit of Carter's estranged mother. They share many of the same habits, good and bad, and I find it interesting that he dated a lot of older women (Abby Keaton, the character portrayed by DeMornay, the other Dr. Abby) in his quest to find himself. I'm happy that after his parent's divorce, and his grandparent’s deaths, he has been able to find peace in his life by understanding who he is and distancing himself from attempts that seemed like an effort to find a surrogate mother. If you examine these relationships, you see that these older women were women who could either provide the guidance that his mother, who is self-absorbed in her own grief, does not (i.e., the first Dr. Abby). Or they were women who had a serious problem in their lives and who needed someone around to console them through their issues, and whom he could think of as 'fixing' them (i.e., DeMornay and Abby). |
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| ashmo | Sep 21 2005, 10:24 PM Post #77 |
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| MsMomERLover | Sep 22 2005, 09:10 AM Post #78 |
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Thank you!
I agree with the second half of your last sentence - I like referring to couples by their full first names. It just seems more natural to me.
Yeah, I had almost forgotten about the abortion. I think even though she is 40+, she is still trying to find herself, and ultimately this is one reason why her relationships never work.
I never thought about that before, but he has had a lot of relationships with older women (the 2 Abbys, DeMornay, etc.), and in many ways Abby Lockhart has some of the same problems that his mother has. Both have had personal tragedies that have led them to become alcoholics. Both have a problem with intimacy and expressing their feelings. He couldn't fix his mother in Season 8, so he gets into a relationship with a woman with similar issues and tries to fix/'be there' for her. In the end, that kind of thinking never produces a lasting romance, and I am glad that the writers, producers, or Wylie (or some combination of all them) decided to have Carter realize this and just accept his life. Then love (Kem) showed up, like it usually does, when he wasn't looking for it. |
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| Loren | Sep 22 2005, 11:00 AM Post #79 |
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Abby Lockhart is the girl for Carter.
Kem is just horrible...ew! |
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Luby sucks! Luby II: It's not that pretty and it's not that special ![]()
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| MsMomERLover | Sep 22 2005, 11:44 AM Post #80 |
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Yeah, but I like to base my comments on what we actually saw about each character, and in the end Kem is a much better match for him than Abby - in terms of looks, personality, ambitions, etc. I'm not quite sure that we have seen the man who is best for Abby yet? Maybe, Dubenko??? I guess it depends on whether Abby/MT is willing to come to terms with her age and her place in life.
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| Loren | Sep 22 2005, 12:46 PM Post #81 |
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Ok my reasons why.... Kem- I don't like Kem because she made Carter go to South Africa with her, I know they had a baby together but some Carbies hate her. Abby- I know I haven't seen Carby in full yet but I think Abby is a good match for Carter because they are cute together and they have fun and laugher together. No way, Dubenko freaks me out with his hair and he isn't the sort of guy for Abby. |
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Luby sucks! Luby II: It's not that pretty and it's not that special ![]()
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| MsMomERLover | Sep 22 2005, 02:12 PM Post #82 |
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First of all, thank you for giving reasons as to why you feel the way that you do. I appreciate analysis more than I do rhetoric.
Well, 1) I think that the Congo is actually in Central Africa, not South Africa and 2) Kem didn't "make him" go anywhere. In fact, she didn't even ask him to go to Africa to be with her. She let him come to that decision completely on his own and without any pressure, even though she told him that she loves him and that she thought that they were great together (that's from epi 11.1). The other thing to remember is that Kem came to the U.S. because Carter asked her to. Now he is going to the Congo, because Kem needs to be there. That is what makes this relationship work. They are each willing to sacrifice in similar ways on behalf of the other.
POINT 1 I don't really think that Carter and Abby look cute together. The fact is that Tierney looks her age. She looks like she is in her early-to-mid 40s, whereas Wylie has a baby face. Yes, Tierney looks good for her age, but this is the 21st century. Most women her age still look good at 40, in that they do not have the same amount of wrinkles, etc. that their mothers and grandmothers had when they reached that age. The fact is that compared to other 40 year olds in Hollywood, Tierney looks average. There are several actresses who are older than she is and who look good for their age. Women like Andie MacDowell who's over 50, Melanie Griffith who is also over 50. Heck, Halle Berry is 40 and she definitely looks younger than Tierney. I have the hardest time convincing non-Tierney/Carby fans that the producers were actually serious when they wanted the audience to believe that Carter and Abby were supposed to be around the same age. POINT 2 As friends, Carter and Abby had fun and laughter together, but as a romantic couple they spent over half of their time together fighting and walking away from each other. The catalyst for bringing them together as lovers was a crisis situation, which as I stated before, is commonly acknowledged as one of the worst reasons for hooking up. Just like with booze, the next day everything looks different and the basis for the relationship crumbles under the weight of reality. That is exactly what happened with Carter and Abby as a couple. We see them in the last episode of Season 8 getting together, and then in Season 9 within less than 3 episodes we see them beginning the pattern of arguing-walking away from each other-coming back to each other-followed by more arguing, that typified that relationship for over 90% of its existence. In contrast, we do have in Kem and John a couple that laughs with each other, can even argue with other without turning it into middle school shenanigans about who listens or doesn't listen to whom, and genuinely enjoy each other's company whether they are ice skating, making love, or just talking until dawn. There is a happy and solid chemistry between them that is absent from how Carter and Abby treated each other as lovers. |
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| LoveSeason10 | Sep 23 2005, 09:10 AM Post #83 |
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Hi ashmo, :Brandon: How are you? MsMom - first of all let me say that this is one of the funniest posts I have ever read.
Yes, Maura looks her age and it is preposterous that TPTB are still writing for Abby as if she is in her mid-20s. I had never thought about it until now, but in comparison to many other actresses her age, Maura looks okay. Not great, not jaw-dropping sexy, just okay.
Amen...it's hard to ignore especially when it comes to the romantic relationship aspect of that character and some of her childish behaviors. I am hoping that in Season 12, we see Abby finally acknowledge her age, and become the mature woman mentally that she already is physically. I like the Dubenko suggestion, because he seems to be a mature character who knows where he is and what he wants from life. Whereas Luka and John were still searching for that when they were with Abby. I also think that because of Dubenko's maturity, I doubt that he will take much of Abby's crap, but he will still be there for her when she needs him. |
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| MsMomERLover | Sep 23 2005, 02:36 PM Post #84 |
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Well, she didn't seem to mature last night. I still can't believe that she got such an attitude with Pratt after he reminded her that she forgot to 'teach' her interns. :wacko: Oh, well... Really the character just doesn't fit the actress. I hope that Tierney recognizes that and starts asking the writers to make the character more plausible in terms of Tierney's evident age and life experience. |
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| bigshow | Sep 23 2005, 04:47 PM Post #85 |
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Carby forever and always!! Waiting for the greatest Carby reunion ever! ![]() ![]() | |
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| Dr. Hannah | Sep 24 2005, 11:06 AM Post #86 |
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[SIZE=14] CARBY! |
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| Noah Carter | Sep 24 2005, 04:58 PM Post #87 |
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I hope when they show Carter again, he breaks up with Kem and tries to get back with Abby cause im such a Carby fan. |
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| Gemma | Sep 24 2005, 05:07 PM Post #88 |
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I agree with MsMomERLover in regards to the Carter/Abby pairing. They weren't suited and spent most of their time arguing. I don't know what it is with the Carby followers, but Carby is one of the only TV pairings, which, in my opinion has no chemistry at all and is very much faked. I can't believe so many people thought they were great together... I also think when they were paired together, they both had their fair share of problems, as did Abby when she was with Luka. Abby had her alcohol problems, her problems with her mother, brother etc and Carter was still overcoming the stabbing and everything that followed. I don't even think Abby and Luka were a great pairing, but they were a lot more suited than Carby. In early ER episodes, I liked the idea of a Carter/Susan pairing. But again, the age difference and there was quite a lot of rank there. However, when Carter did make a move at Susan, it was quite sweet. But when they were paired together after her return, it wasn't as good as it could have been and I think the writing there was deliberate to make them not last very long. I wasn't the biggest fan ever of Kem, but you could see she made Carter happy and after losing the baby, their relationship did crumble, but they were able to strengthen their relationship again. It was nice that Carter left ER happy and in love. Lucy and Carter were amusing, but it was forbidden territory almost. It would have never worked with Lucy being Carter's student. But he obvious cared for her a great deal. I couldn't stand Abby Keaton, that woman has a really annoying voice. I believe if Carter and Anna got together, they would have been one of the best ER pairings. |
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| jujubee | Sep 24 2005, 09:10 PM Post #89 |
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It's because most of the Carby followers, as far as I can tell, are teen girls who adore Abby and have a crush on her though I have yet to figure out what they see in her. Carter is young, rich, and handsome. The modern day equivalent of Prince Charming. So it's no surprise that they want their favorite character to "get" him. There's no other logical reason why anyone should support carby especially because the writers took great pains to show how wrong they were for each other and how miserable Carter was when he was with her. JMO |
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| ashmo | Sep 25 2005, 12:56 PM Post #90 |
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I'm great thanks for asking, Love Season 10 I'm not a Carby fanatic becasue I really think there's no way in hell they will reunite and I don't mind if they don't, but to say there's no logical reasons to support them for what they had besides the reason you stated is a load a shit. To assume that most Carby fans only like them for that above reason is to also assume that most non Carby supporters are middle-aged women who couldn't look like Maura/Abby if they piled on makeup. I like Susan the most , but you don't see me or alot of others who are Susan fans on here claiming Susan and Carter are perfect beacause she is their favorite and Carter is "Prince Charming" That's my own opinion and I'm extremely sorry if I offended anyone but I was offended by the post above.
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Good question.
Yikes...even Luka could see the end coming.




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