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| palaka | Aug 2 2005, 05:03 PM Post #41 |
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Digital camouflage is actually a misnomer they said. Those "pixelised" pattern of squares is said to employed to model the texture of the typical backgrounds or environment using a mathematical function. There so many consideration during the experiment and one is the measurement in msec required to make a correct detection and time to make the correct identification of target shape. I don't know if the SAF digital goes thru such experiment...though there's a company that charge USD$75/hr. to digitise existing camo pattern. |
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| jepot | Aug 2 2005, 09:58 PM Post #42 |
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Im not quite sure if i got the info right a few years back but allegedly, the digitalization of a camouflage pattern further helps break the outline of a camo uniform in the sights of NVGs and other modern viewing contraptions. The pixelation is the key element there, so i heard. This along with a computer answer as to what is an effective camo scheme to a particular terrain are what i heard are the advantages to the digital camo patterns. One of the earliest semi-digital camos, the night desert parka type of camo was used in ODS back in 91, and this allegedly was useful in breaking out the outline of a camo uniform in the sights of NVGs. Just my half cents worth contribution to your query. Someone please correct me if I am wrong so we can all learn from this issue... |
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| palaka | Aug 3 2005, 10:45 AM Post #43 |
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yes, you are also right. The russians too...on their KLMK "lazer/Computer/Puzzle" camo pattern used first i think by their snipers especially in Afghanistan..![]()
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| flipzi | Aug 3 2005, 12:04 PM Post #44 |
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Then test should be conducted first before they deploy this cammie design. Come to think of it, will our PNP troops need such cammie in our cities? Who uses NVG? Siguro the SAF can use this in night operations during special missions. I believe the best cammie will be the design similar to what the PSG wear. We can design a green cammie like what the Army or Marines are wearing for the PNP combat units operating outside of cities. Their present green cammie looks more like a pa-pogi outfit and not serving as what a cammie should be. The point is that the PNP should test if these digital cammies are really effective. At hindi pampa-cute lang.
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| Wushu | Aug 3 2005, 12:55 PM Post #45 |
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its a symptom of the "military" way of thinking prevalent in the supposedly civilian pnp.... i agree that green camo don't exactly fit urban environments.... the local pnp swat teams are better off with black or midnight blue outfits..... |
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| flipzi | Aug 3 2005, 01:29 PM Post #46 |
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I suggest that the midnight blue cammie should be rid of that red patches. It makes the cammie more noticeable. Siguro, just .......... a combination of blue, black and a lighter shade of blue will be better. |
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| datu | Aug 3 2005, 01:47 PM Post #47 |
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flipzi said:
jepot said:
I dunno much either but, i read the idea for the digitized/pixel breaking up outline during various NVG lighting was made famous in the development of the MARPAT. The CADPAT, which the USMC based the MARPAT on, failed miserably especially when the fabric was exposed to moisture, for example, someone sweating heavily or when its raining, the outline of the soldier can be noticed under NVG. The problem the USMC found out was the fabric the uniform was made of. The MARPAT BDU also has differences from older Woodland BDU but thats different. Interestingly, USMC initially picked 3 camouflage patterns to base the new marine camo on, tiger stripe, Rhodesian color/British DPM and the digital pattern influenced by theCanuck CADPAT, the digital pattern was selected. When MARPAT was adopted but copyrighted the design by USMC preventing others to adopt it, the tri-service use of the Woodland BDU ended and the Army and USAirForce jumped on the band wagon and made their own digitized camouflage, the Army's ACU and AirForce digitized Tiger-stripe. |
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| Wushu | Aug 3 2005, 06:12 PM Post #48 |
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urban blue....![]() ![]() ![]() urban grey..... ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Riverine.... ![]() ![]() ![]() Black.... ![]() ![]() Red ![]() "Fractal-based (or "digitized") camo patterns work on a 3-dimensional plane, unlike the old typical 2-dimensional pattern. The mathematically-produced fractal patterns, which mimics naturally-occuring shapes better than geometry-based patterns, fool the human brain into perceiving depth, thus adding a 3-dimensional optical illusion to the mix." "This 3D effect has to be modulated correctly, in order to fool the observer. If you over-do the effect, the brain will sense that there's too much of a depth-of-perspective change in too small a space. Some digitized camouflage patterns lose their effectiveness (disruptive effect) out past 100 yards." "There are many proprietary fractal camo patterns available. The US Marines currently use MARPAT, and the Canadian army uses CADPAT. While all of these digitized fractal patterns are different, they pretty much all share the same (or at least highly similar) technology." riverine.... ![]() urban.... ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() "Camouflage is an identifier, a uniform, it promotes a position of authority and conceals the user under the correct conditions. It needs to look professional, daunting, and most importantly - stealthy in a combat zone. If the pattern is unique then there is less chance of friendly fire accidents. If the pattern and colors blend in better then there is less likely chance of the adversary acquiring you sooner." |
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| Wushu | Aug 3 2005, 06:28 PM Post #49 |
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Police Units in the Kingdom of Jordan to be issued new Advanced Digital Urban Camouflage Designated PSD Urban (December 19, 2004, Vancouver, B.C.) His Majesty King Abdullah II of Jordan recently embarked on an extensive camouflage development program to provide a pattern exclusive to the Jordan's Security Forces. ... The new Uniform cut and style was designed by guidelines from his Majesty with input from the Military and executed by the Military Office. Certain features from the current Jordan Armed Forces uniform were combined with the best features from the U.S. Army BDU, U.S. Marine Corp MARPAT and British DPM uniforms. The Head dress (not in photos) is styled on the German WWII Afrika Corp. M43 cap in the Digital patterns ... The digital pattern, designed by HyperStealth has a few improvements over other North American digital designs with both the Macropattern and Micropattern elements allowing for better concealment at farther distances and simulated reflection and shadows elements. A former Lt. Col in the U.S. military who was one of the first to see KA2 called it the best pattern he has ever seen. A former 30 year veteran of the U.S. Army (24 years served in Army Special Forces) commented that not only does it look good, it looks like it will be effective. ![]() ![]() |
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| flipzi | Aug 3 2005, 06:33 PM Post #50 |
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![]() This cammie above looks perfect for urban-based police units. ![]() This one looks better than the one above during night-time. But is it economical to have both so the cops can change their suit based on what time it is? I believe the above will a better choice for both day and night ops. Nonetheles, the PNP can either test if which among these two will be the better choice.
That's what intrigues me with how will a digitized cammie fool the observer when a cammie like the blue one will mix with the often grayish or whitish background provided by buildings, etc.
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