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| Chinese frigate runs aground in Half Moon Shoal | |
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| UncleSam | Jul 17 2012, 11:39 AM Post #131 |
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Not sure how I was acting 'uncivilized'.... And if anyone needs to calm down, I think it's Wardog. My post was calm, and did not attack anyone...unlike Wardog who called another an inflamatory name. Sorry, but that bothers me that you would lump me in with him. |
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| UncleSam | Jul 17 2012, 11:52 AM Post #132 |
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This is not accurate. The PLAN has already acknowledged the ship was on routine patrol, not transitioning thru the area. Also, there is definitely aggression involved when another nation's warship is patrolling another's EEZ without permission. If you don't believe me, just as the Chicoms, I'm sure they will agree. Finally, when the U.S. transitions thru another nation's EEZ, they definitely give a courtesy notification. Then again, the U.S. navy is welcome in most parts of the world, unlike the PLAN.
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| Parastriker | Jul 17 2012, 01:17 PM Post #133 |
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Very well. You have justified yourself. Carry on, please. If I had hurt your feelings, I am sorry, mea culpa. |
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| zundino | Jul 17 2012, 06:40 PM Post #134 |
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china will of course insist that there ship was patrolling in the area due to the fact that they claim the entire south china sea to be theirs but under the unclos, you are still wrong when you said that patrolling in another country's eez is an act of aggression. under the current unclos, other navies can even conduct military exercises in the eez of another country, an example of this was the joint us-so. korean naval exercises conducted in the yellow sea in 2010 within the eez of china. soviet warships and aircraft entered american eez during the cold war, the us didnt shoot down the soviet aircraft nor sink the soviet warships bec these were outside its territorial waters. |
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| Numbers | Jul 18 2012, 01:33 PM Post #135 |
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The US is actually among the countries who insist that the LOS freely allow for the entry & conduct of military exercises in the EEZs while China is among those who oppose this arguing that other countries should still seek permission or desist from conducting wargames or entry of military vessels & aircraft in EEZs. |
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| Wardog | Jul 19 2012, 08:02 PM Post #136 |
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'waggin my tail :-)
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^ To include entry of US intelligence gathering ships in its EEZ. e.g. USNS Impeccable incident |
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| lionking66 | Jul 29 2012, 11:03 AM Post #137 |
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![]() An aerial reconnaissance photo taken by a Philippine Navy Islander aircraft last July 12 shows five Chinese ships (2-6) providing security to a grounded Chinese frigate (No.1, inset) at Hasa Hasa Shoal near Palawan. The frigate, with bow No. 560, was refloated last Sunday. From http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?articleId=828650 Hey guys, listen to this discovery! I may be wrong but let me know what you think it is? 1. This news item is the first ever public disclosure by media courtesy of the Philippine Star of pictures surrounding the alleged chinese frigate that ran aground at Half Moon Shoal, some 60 nautical miles west from the nearest land mass of Palawan. 2. The pictures are labeled by numbers accordingly; 1- grounded vessel 2, 3, 4, 5,- are other vessels said to be assisting no 1 to extricate itself from the reef 3. The other (inset) photo is said to be the chinese frigate with bow nr 560- although in the photo the number cannot be seen. 4. Another vessel from quoted is the official photo of the 560 as taken by Israeli from other open sources. 5. If one looks closer at the photos of the two ships, there seems to be some discrepancies and NOT repeat NOT of any similarity! The main differences are as follows; -the bridge/pilot house seems to be flat, covered with white canvass cover - the 560 has a bulbous radome on top of its bridge. a radome encloses a radar system. - the 560 has only one smokestock with 2 exhaust vents pointed outwards, while the other ship has only 1 vent pointed upwards. - the main guns of the 560, fore and aft are most prominent and can easily be identified. Likewise the surface-to-surface missile cannisters are also easily identified. 6. Those are the most notable differences between the 2 ships that i can see. Additionally, the photos of the inset ship do not depict any indication that it is grounded. 7. From the pictures pointed, we can conclude that the two ships are two different ships! |
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| lionking66 | Aug 6 2012, 08:22 AM Post #138 |
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Was it a frigate that ran aground at Half Moon Shoal or a chinese MSA or PLEC? I pose this query because yung 560 is a veteran in the KIG. Bihasa na sa area. Remember the shooting incident on some filipino fishermen by the same frigate? Samantala, eto chinese civilian patrol ships, ngayon pa lamang lumalabas ng malayo from Hainan except for their exposure in carburo. This is a gauge of their maritime proficiency and professionalism! The grounding of the submarine USS DARTER at the neighboring Bombay Shoal was not due to incompetence but rather due to combat when they DARTER and DACE engaged the Japanese armada which included the much vaunted battleships MUSASHI and the YAMATO led by Admiral Kurita in the initial phase of the Battle of Leyte Gulf. The DARTER sunk ADM Kurita's flagship the ATAGO, a heavy cruiser before she ran aground. |
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| lionking66 | Aug 11 2012, 08:10 AM Post #139 |
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![]() A Chinese warship recently ran aground in the South China Sea, an embarrassing incident that has highlighted international tensions over Beijing’s increasing military power and disputes among China’s neighbors. Inside the Ring obtained the first photograph of the Chinese ship that was beached July 7 and stranded for 10 days. The photo was taken by a Philippines military photographer during a flight over the disputed Half Moon Shoal that both Beijing and Manila claim as their maritime territory. The shoal sits astride a key strategic waterway about 70 miles from the Philippines island province of Palawan. Tensions have been mounting in the South China Sea as China systematically has stepped up claims to sovereignty over almost the entire resource-rich sea, prompting the U.S. government to worry that current Cold War-style maritime disputes could turn hot. On Aug. 3, State Department spokesman Patrick Ventrell expressed U.S. worries about “peace and stability,” “freedom of navigation” and respect for international law in the South China Sea. “We are concerned by the increase in tensions in the South China Sea and are monitoring the situation closely,” he said, noting troubling signs that include more confrontational rhetoric, disagreements over resources and several incidents. “In particular, China’s upgrading of the administrative level of Sansha City and establishment of a new military garrison there covering disputed areas of the South China Sea run counter to collaborative diplomatic efforts to resolve differences and risk further escalating tensions in the region,” Mr. Ventrell said. China reacted to the statement by calling in the U.S. Embassy Charge d’Affaires Robert S. Wang to protest. China denounced the U.S. statement, saying it “completely ignored the facts, deliberately confounded right and wrong and sent a seriously wrong signal, which is not conducive to the efforts safeguarding peace and stability of the South China Sea and the Asia Pacific region.” The Chinese urged the United States to “immediately correct the wrong behavior, earnestly respect China’s sovereignty and territorial integrity, and do more things which are truly beneficial to the stability and prosperity in Asia-Pacific.” Regarding the grounded warship, one Philippines official said the photo showed “the bully that ran aground.” The ship was identified as the Hainan Island-based Dongguan. Days before it ran aground, the ship fired its deck guns at three Philippines fishing boats near Jackson Atoll in the disputed Spratlys Island chain. Philippines officials also said the Dongguan was involved in other harassment incidents against Filipino fishing vessels. According to Richard Fisher, a Chinese military affairs specialist, the Dongguan recently was upgraded with YJ-83 anti-ship cruise missiles, which have a range of 155 miles. It also has a new stealthy, infrared-suppressing exhaust stack. After the Dongguan ran aground, five or six Chinese ships sailed to aid the stranded vessel. It was freed 10 days later. A Philippines navy BN-2A Islander patrol aircraft then flew over the ship and took photos of the frigate and a Jiangwei-II class frigate that sailed to the area to provide support. Philippines officials do not know why the Chinese warship sailed so close to Half Moon Shoal and ended up stuck in the sand. But some believe its presence is part of stepped-up efforts to enforce what Beijing calls its “Nine-dash Line” that outlines almost all of the South China Sea, which it claims as sovereign waters. The increased pressure by China is part of a program of using naval and maritime police ships to control the sea. Another theory is that the Chinese sought to survey the region ahead of an expected Philippines-sponsored, oil-prospecting venture that will begin this year or early next year. “The fact that several ships were in the vicinity of Half Moon Shoal [and were] able to render assistance to the Dongguan is a testament to the overall increased Chinese naval presence in this region, but also a testament to the [People’s Liberation Army‘s] command and control capabilities,” Mr. Fisher said. “While the grounding was a major embarrassment for China that provided a perhaps unintended military reinforcement to its diplomatic bullying at [a recent regional] summit, this incident also served to highlight the increasing strategic importance of Palawan,” he said. The Palawan Trench is a major sea lane and a vital Asia trade route. Half Moon Shoal sits at the mouth of the sea lane. There are concerns the Chinese will seek to build naval and other facilities on the shoal, as occurred at nearby Mischief Reef in 1995. “That would constitute a major escalation that would be viewed as a potential threat by all major Asian states that rely on this vital sea lane,” Mr. Fisher said. In April, the U.S. and the Philippines conducted a joint military exercise called Balikatan that focused on Palawan, which currently lacks adequate defenses, Mr. Fisher said. “The Philippine navy and air force do not have the naval or air combatants to station on this island,” he said. Mr. Fisher said there are concerns that China’s rapid buildup of amphibious and air-power projection capabilities will lead the Chinese military to conduct a brief but violent attack against Palawan’s capital, Puerto Princesa, to punish Manila in the same way China taught Vietnam a lesson during their brief 1979 war. The Philippines' government has been alarmed by Chinese actions in recent months and is seeking greater U.S. military involvement. Manila plans to buy two Italian Mastreale-class frigates and 12 Korean T/A-50 fighter-trainers. There are reports that Russia plans to sell Vietnam 18 Su-30 jet fighters to bolster its forces against China. http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/aug/8/inside-the-ring-china-warship-grounded/?page=all#pagebreak |
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| lionking66 | Aug 11 2012, 08:45 AM Post #140 |
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Finally, this article confirms that the 560 was really grounded at Half Moon Shoal. It answers my query as to the authenticity of the picture posted by Phil Star as the frigate 560. I also share Mr Fisher's comment on the chinese command and control, communications efficiency in organizing and dispatching 5+ ships in assisting the 560 extricate itself from the shoal on short notice. Was it a journalistic dishonesty on the part of Philstar or plain error? |
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