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Chinese frigate runs aground in Half Moon Shoal
Topic Started: Jul 13 2012, 02:15 PM (12,611 Views)
astro_boy2005
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spearhead
Jul 15 2012, 04:59 AM
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Jul 15 2012, 03:51 AM
easier said than done sir. first off, we do not have the capability to do that. hold them with what? we don't have the ships. I honestly don't think BRP Del Pilar can do that, and what are we going to surround them with, Del Pilar and the Rajah Humabon, and the three corvettes?

one false move, its like we're inviting them to a shootout. it might be grounded but that ship is lethal, aside from its guns, it carries anti-ship missiles to which Del Pilar and Humabon is both vulnerable, and for sure Chinese submarines is already deployed around the reef protecting that frigate, and ready to launch its torpedoes to any of our ship that dares to come nearby, even without provocation. remember they announced that their patrols are combat ready, what more with these PLAN warships. and i'm pretty sure other Chinese frigates and destroyers are just nearby. we can almost say that this is another tense situation for our outstretched navy and coast guard

Thats exactly the message is. Yes use all the available assets and play Patintero with 'em. Because there's no otherway unless, if the philippines really wanna lose some face for doin basically nothing and if we keep doing nothing, china will keep bullying evrybody specially us. Its all our rights to keep them off our territory, and we already let them captured a couple of reefs so what else you wanna do....

I believe that the US Government has already urged Pnoy to be cautious with his decisions and press release. Let the Chinese fix their mess and leave the area. As you can see even the Secretary of DND and DFA are all mum.

Chinese Embassy already stated they are on routine patrol, the govt somehow playing dumb and telling us they are just passing by. As long as no structures or forward base is installed then thats how it goes.

Makikita mo talaga na harapang pambabastos sa atin. Mr. President ganito na lang ba tayo palagi? :headbang:
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Jul 15 2012, 07:04 AM
spearhead
Jul 15 2012, 04:59 AM
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Jul 15 2012, 03:51 AM
easier said than done sir. first off, we do not have the capability to do that. hold them with what? we don't have the ships. I honestly don't think BRP Del Pilar can do that, and what are we going to surround them with, Del Pilar and the Rajah Humabon, and the three corvettes?

one false move, its like we're inviting them to a shootout. it might be grounded but that ship is lethal, aside from its guns, it carries anti-ship missiles to which Del Pilar and Humabon is both vulnerable, and for sure Chinese submarines is already deployed around the reef protecting that frigate, and ready to launch its torpedoes to any of our ship that dares to come nearby, even without provocation. remember they announced that their patrols are combat ready, what more with these PLAN warships. and i'm pretty sure other Chinese frigates and destroyers are just nearby. we can almost say that this is another tense situation for our outstretched navy and coast guard

Thats exactly the message is. Yes use all the available assets and play Patintero with 'em. Because there's no otherway unless, if the philippines really wanna lose some face for doin basically nothing and if we keep doing nothing, china will keep bullying evrybody specially us. Its all our rights to keep them off our territory, and we already let them captured a couple of reefs so what else you wanna do....

I believe that the US Government has already urged Pnoy to be cautious with his decisions and press release. Let the Chinese fix their mess and leave the area. As you can see even the Secretary of DND and DFA are all mum.

Chinese Embassy already stated they are on routine patrol, the govt somehow playing dumb and telling us they are just passing by. As long as no structures or forward base is installed then thats how it goes.

Makikita mo talaga na harapang pambabastos sa atin. Mr. President ganito na lang ba tayo palagi? :headbang:

THE_NEWS_MAN just posted a linkadress of a youtube video in the shoutbox. If you watch it, you will hear from the chinese vessel over the radio saying that it is China's territory.
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^^I know and it's absurd! They are nuts! And yet the philippine government is offering the chinese frigate with help...!

I mean dont just offer, just go there and inspect the ship. If the chinese refused to accept any filipino's lending arms then its fine, just surround the ship with all the available PN assets, and don't let anymore chinese ships enter the philippine waters to reach that stranded frigate. This is a serious intrusion, a big slap in the face! Oh well...

Philippines offers help to China in dealing with grounded Chinese frigate

MANILA, Philippines -- The Philippines is offering help to China in dealing with the reported grounding of a Chinese navy frigate off Halfmoon Shoal (Hasa-Hasa) in western Palawan province, the Department of Foreign Affairs said Saturday.

The Chinese Embassy in Manila said the frigate accidentally ran aground Wednesday night at Half Moon Shoal during a routine patrol, adding the accident caused no injuries to the ship's crew.

Rescue work by the Chinese Navy is underway, according to Chinese Embassy spokesman Zhang Hua, citing information from China's Ministry of National Defense.

"We need to find out what really happened with the Chinese frigate in our territory," Department of Foreign Affairs spokesman Raul Hernandez said.

"For now, we have instructed our embassy in Beijing to inform the Chinese Foreign Ministry that Philippine assets are willing to help the frigate get out of there," Hernandez told PNA in a text message.

Defense Secretary Voltaire Gazmin has ordered the military's Western Command in Palawan to investigate the incident at the shoal, which the Philippines calls Hasa- Hasa and is located about 60 to 80 nautical miles northwest of Balabac municipality in the southernmost section of the frontier province.

Philippine navy patrol ships and Coast Guard vessels have been deployed to check the reported grounding and possibly render assistance, military officials said, adding the incident happened well within the country's territorial waters.

The reported grounding of the Chinese frigate came at a delicate time. China and the Philippines have been locked in a dispute over the Bajo de Masinloc or Panatag shoal off the northwestern Philippines.
Philippine and Chinese officials have committed to end the tense impasse over Bajo de Masinloc diplomatically and have been negotiating to end the conflict, which began last April 10.

Wrangling over the contested territories spilled over to the Association of Southeast Asian Nations annual meetings in Cambodia this week, preventing the 10-nation regional bloc from issuing a joint communique, a post-conference statement on common grounds reached on various issues traditionally made public after the annual ASEAN meetings.

Philippine Foreign Secretary Albert del Rosario and his Vietnamese counterpart, Pham Binh Minh, separately insisted that the joint communique mention that their separate territorial disputes with China were discussed by the ASEAN foreign ministers during their meeting in the Cambodian capital of Phnom Penh last Monday.

Cambodia, which serves as ASEAN's chairman this year, however objected, arguing that the territorial disputes were bilateral concerns between Vietnam and the Philippines on the one hand and China on the other and should not be reflected in the joint communique.

Del Rosario said he argued that the communique should merely state the fact that the disputes were raised and discussed during the ASEAN foreign ministerial meeting.

Cambodian Foreign Minister Hor Namhong, however, still refused to include the paragraph on the disputes, causing the non-issuance of the statement.

It was the first time that the ASEAN has failed to issue such a communique in its 45-year history. The ASEAN decides by consensus, meaning just one of its 10 member countries can block a decision or proposal.

The Philippines deplored the unprecedented non-issuance of the communique.

Philippine and Vietnamese officials raised the territorial disputes in the ASEAN meetings as an urgent concern that could affect regional stability. China has opposed efforts to bring the disputes to any international fora, demanding that they be settled one-on-one between Beijing and each of the other rival claimants without intervention from outside forces, like the United States.

Cambodia, a close ally of China, has denied criticisms it has stuck to Beijing's position in the ASEAN meetings, saying it would serve as an impartial chairman of the grouping this year.

http://www.interaksyon.com/article/3...hinese-frigate
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OH WELL ITS TOO LATE: Chinese ships already assisting their stranded frigate ACCORDING to this recon mission by a PHAF plane, while our PNoy officials still talking about helping that freaking ship! What a shame, naunahan pa sila ng mga intsik sa loob mismo ng philippine territory!
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PHL Air Force confirms stranding of China frigate on shoal near Palawan
AGENCE FRANCE PRESSE July 14, 2012 6:50pm


A Philippine military aircraft confirmed Saturday that a Chinese naval frigate remains stranded in disputed waters of the South China Sea, a military spokesman said.

The Chinese frigate and smaller craft were sighted by a Philippine Islander plane, said regional military spokesman Colonel Neil Anthony Estrella.

"During the aerial reconnaissance mission, they were able to confirm, based on photographs, that there is indeed a ship with bow number 560 aground at Half Moon Shoal," he told AFP.

He said five more vessels and a number of smaller boats were assisting the grounded ship.

A navy ship and a coast guard vessel had been dispatched to the area to monitor the Chinese operations, he added.

He stressed that the shoal was just 60 nautical miles from the western Philippine island of Palawan, well within the country's 200-nautical-mile exclusive economic zone, as recognized by international law.

Foreign Department spokesman Raul Hernandez said in a statement, "we need to find out what really happened with the Chinese frigate in our territory".

He reiterated that the Philippines would provide assistance to move the ship if China requested it.

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We should force the issue on this. This will force the hand of the USA to act because they know if they don't the rest of their Asian allies will question their resolve in Asia. Especially now as the President of America has stated how important Asia is now and he would lose face during the election if he botched it.
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Stranded naval frigate refloated–Chinese embassy

MANILA, Philippines – A Chinese naval frigate that ran aground close to Philippine shores while patrolling disputed waters in the South China Sea was refloated Sunday, the Chinese embassy said.

The stranding occurred Wednesday in a shoal which sits just 60 nautical miles from the western Philippine island of Palawan, within the country’s exclusive economic zone, in an area believed to be rich in mineral deposits.

more:
http://globalnation.inquirer.net/44331/str...chinese-embassy

China frigate heads home, averts new Philippines row

Sun Jul 15, 2012 4:09am GMT

By Manuel Mogato and Ben Blanchard

MANILA/BEIJING (Reuters) - A Chinese frigate which ran aground in disputed waters close to the Philippines managed to extricate itself on Sunday and was heading home, averting a possible standoff with Philippine vessels amid rising tensions in the strategic South China Sea.

The South China Sea has become Asia's biggest potential military flashpoint as Beijing's sovereignty claim over a huge, looping area has set it against Vietnam and the Philippines as the three countries race to tap possibly huge oil reserves.

In all six parties have rival claims to the waters, which were a central issue at an acrimonious ASEAN regional summit last week that ended with its members failing to agree on a concluding statement for the first time in 45 years.

On Friday, the Chinese navy said one of its vessels had run aground on Half Moon Shoal, about 90 nautical miles (170 km) off the western Philippine island of Palawan, prompting Manila to send two of its vessels and reconnaissance aircraft to the area.

"At about 5 a.m. on July 15, the frigate which had run aground in waters near Half Moon Shoal successfully extricated itself with the help of a rescue team," China's defence ministry said in a statement.

"The bow has sustained light damage and everybody on board is safe. Its return to port is being organised. The incident caused no maritime pollution," the statement added, without providing further details.

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http://af.reuters.com/article/worldNews/id...E86E01D20120715
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Jul 15 2012, 04:32 AM
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Jul 15 2012, 03:51 AM
easier said than done sir. first off, we do not have the capability to do that. hold them with what? we don't have the ships. I honestly don't think BRP Del Pilar can do that, and what are we going to surround them with, Del Pilar and the Rajah Humabon, and the three corvettes?

one false move, its like we're inviting them to a shootout. it might be grounded but that ship is lethal, aside from its guns, it carries anti-ship missiles to which Del Pilar and Humabon is both vulnerable, and for sure Chinese submarines is already deployed around the reef protecting that frigate, and ready to launch its torpedoes to any of our ship that dares to come nearby, even without provocation. remember they announced that their patrols are combat ready, what more with these PLAN warships. and i'm pretty sure other Chinese frigates and destroyers are just nearby. we can almost say that this is another tense situation for our outstretched navy and coast guard

So you rather want to obey the oppressor? I'd rather confront and be beaten. That's atleast the proud and dignified man's way.

very brave fighting words, but typical of someone posting from thousands of miles away from the philippines :armyroleyes:
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Jul 14 2012, 11:45 PM
W have all the rights to hold that frigate or surround it, after all its inside our territory.

you (and a dozen others in this forum) need a serious education to differentiate "exclusive economic zone" from "territorial waters" and why the philippines or any other country cannot just apprehend a foreign warship stranded in the eez.
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Jul 15 2012, 12:36 PM
Stranded naval frigate refloated�Chinese embassy

MANILA, Philippines � A Chinese naval frigate that ran aground close to Philippine shores while patrolling disputed waters in the South China Sea was refloated Sunday, the Chinese embassy said.

The stranding occurred Wednesday in a shoal which sits just 60 nautical miles from the western Philippine island of Palawan, within the country�s exclusive economic zone, in an area believed to be rich in mineral deposits.

more:
http://globalnation.inquirer.net/44331/str...chinese-embassy

China frigate heads home, averts new Philippines row

Sun Jul 15, 2012 4:09am GMT

By Manuel Mogato and Ben Blanchard

MANILA/BEIJING (Reuters) - A Chinese frigate which ran aground in disputed waters close to the Philippines managed to extricate itself on Sunday and was heading home, averting a possible standoff with Philippine vessels amid rising tensions in the strategic South China Sea.

The South China Sea has become Asia's biggest potential military flashpoint as Beijing's sovereignty claim over a huge, looping area has set it against Vietnam and the Philippines as the three countries race to tap possibly huge oil reserves.

In all six parties have rival claims to the waters, which were a central issue at an acrimonious ASEAN regional summit last week that ended with its members failing to agree on a concluding statement for the first time in 45 years.

On Friday, the Chinese navy said one of its vessels had run aground on Half Moon Shoal, about 90 nautical miles (170 km) off the western Philippine island of Palawan, prompting Manila to send two of its vessels and reconnaissance aircraft to the area.

"At about 5 a.m. on July 15, the frigate which had run aground in waters near Half Moon Shoal successfully extricated itself with the help of a rescue team," China's defence ministry said in a statement.

"The bow has sustained light damage and everybody on board is safe. Its return to port is being organised. The incident caused no maritime pollution," the statement added, without providing further details.

more:

http://af.reuters.com/article/worldNews/id...E86E01D20120715

GOOD NEWS ... :armycool:


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Jul 15 2012, 01:25 PM
you (and a dozen others in this forum) need a serious education to differentiate "exclusive economic zone" from "territorial waters" and why the philippines or any other country cannot just apprehend a foreign warship stranded in the eez.

Thank you for pointing out the difference. I apologize for overreacting.

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