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Is there a win-win solution?
Topic Started: Jun 25 2012, 10:07 PM (1,759 Views)
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This is one;

Joint exploration but China must recognize Philippine sovereignty and work under Philippine laws governing the joint exploration with Philippine companies.

China is believed to be gearing up for the foreseeable shortage of gas supply.

China can get it without hurting its neighbors anyway. It must simply respect other countries and work under the laws of that country like how the foreign companies normally deal with their local partners.

the link below is one example.

a similar post had been posted before but had been pushed down the list already.

http://www.gmanetwork.com/news/story/26311...e-on-recto-bank

another issue the Chinese worry much is food supply. again there's a better way than ruining its relationship with its neighbors.

but if China will push for its expansionist desire, then China must consider that hard fact and truth that the Scarborough Shoal clearly belongs to the Philippines.

if it go against that, then China must bear the fatal repercussions.
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“Mr. Pangilinan will be undertaking the venture based on authorization coming from the Philippine government,” he said.

Aquino told reporters here that the gas exploration project being undertaken by Pangilinan’s Philex Petroleum Corp. with state-owned China National Offshore Oil Corp. (CNOOC) was a major project that would need much financing.

“There will be a lot of finances that are needed and it is also incumbent upon him to source this financing,” the President said, adding that “so long as it complies with the terms and conditions as stipulated in the service contract, we have no issue with this venture.”

Over the weekend, Pangilinan said he planned to expand the consortium undertaking gas exploration at Recto Bank, which both the Philippines and China claim, to “internationalize” and “depoliticize” the concession area while boosting the financial and technological muscle for the project.

http://business.inquirer.net/67385/aquino-...t-in-recto-bank
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China suggests 'win-win' exploration of disputed seas
www.philstar.com
August 5, 2013
By Camille Diola

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"It takes time to find a final solution to the South China Sea disputes. Until then, the parties concerned should search for means to a joint exploitation on a win-win and mutually beneficial basis," he said in a meeting Saturday with Surukiat Sathirathai, chairman of the Asia Peace Reconciliation Council.

Wang said that such system of "cooperation" is something that the international community will welcome.

"Joint exploitation of mineral resources is not only for economic reasons. It will also send signals to other parts of the world that countries in the region are willing to solve their disputes in the way of cooperation," he added.

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Jia Xiudong, a senior researcher at the China Institute of International Studies, pointed out that there is already a mutual seismic operation signed by camps from the Philippines and China.

Jia said that the joint seismic exploration agreement in the sea between the China National Offshore Corporation and the Philippines National Oil Company is an example stamped by both governments.

"China's proposal of joint mineral exploitation shows its sincerity to resolve territorial issues, and the countries concerned should also show their sincerity," the scholar added.
Edited by Ayoshi, Aug 5 2013, 12:58 PM.
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Do they have the same definition of a win win situation to the international community or do they mean 100% their and 0% for the host. If they want some of our resources then they will have to follow our terms and conditions.
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just don't trust the Chinese government we might end up like those countries who lose territory because China said they could have a Win-Win situation.
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China in no hurry to sign South China Sea accord
August 5, 2013
11:34pm


BEIJING - China is in no rush to sign a proposed agreement on maritime rules with Southeast Asia governing behavior in the disputed South China Sea, and countries should not have unrealistic expectations, the Chinese foreign minister said on Monday.

After years of resisting efforts by the 10-member Association of Southeast Asian Nations (ASEAN) to start talks on the proposed Code of Conduct, China said it would host talks between senior officials in September.

"China believes that there should be no rush. Certain countries are hoping that the CoC can be agreed on overnight. These countries are having unrealistic expectations," China's official Xinhua news agency paraphrased Wang as saying.

"...The CoC concerns the interests of various parties and its formulation demands a heavy load of coordination work," he added. "No individual countries should impose their will on others."

Previous efforts to discuss the Code of Conduct had failed "due to disturbances from certain parties", Wang said, without naming any countries.

"Instead of making disturbances, parties should make efforts that are conducive to the process so as to create the necessary conditions and atmosphere," said Wang.


http://www.gmanetwork.com/news/story/320731/news/world/china-in-no-hurry-to-sign-south-china-sea-accord


No change in the rhetoric with the same language and same implications....

Win - win?? Don't think so. More like: "Heads, I win and tails, you lose."

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china: lets play a game and the rules are, i always win and you alway loose.
:banana: :lollol:
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It's all but a "TRAP!" Once we sign that agreement and they (China) get their chance to plant their Oil Rigs in WPS, it's GAME OVER for the Philippines.

There are other Allied or friendly Foreign Countries that PH can be partners with aside from China, or maybe they can invest some shares, they can't be a major share holder and NO China Oil rigs.
Lastly NO to Major share holders wether local or Foreign w/ Mainland China connections that can be "dummies" for China, include an immediate termination of contract, rights etc. clause if found to be guilty, the same thing on any changes or buy outs to any Local or Foreign Investors within their Co.(s) under Contract.
If these b_stards are really keen on a clean joint O/G explo agreement with PH, they must recognise and respect first the Philippines and it's identified territories according to UNCLOS and moveout of their ridiculously claimed areas like Mischief Reef, Panatag shoal etc., respect and acknowledge other Country claimants and their occupied islands in KIG, to have a joint agreement to develop the islands under peaceful resolutions. China must learn to respect other Countries EEZ and all, only then there can be PEACE and for them to be a respected Super power.
Edited by Andres Boning, Aug 7 2013, 07:07 PM.
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China in no hurry to sign South China Sea accord
August 5, 2013
11:34pm


BEIJING - China is in no rush to sign a proposed agreement on maritime rules with Southeast Asia governing behavior in the disputed South China Sea, and countries should not have unrealistic expectations, the Chinese foreign minister said on Monday.

After years of resisting efforts by the 10-member Association of Southeast Asian Nations (ASEAN) to start talks on the proposed Code of Conduct, China said it would host talks between senior officials in September.

"China believes that there should be no rush. Certain countries are hoping that the CoC can be agreed on overnight. These countries are having unrealistic expectations," China's official Xinhua news agency paraphrased Wang as saying.

"...The CoC concerns the interests of various parties and its formulation demands a heavy load of coordination work," he added. "No individual countries should impose their will on others."

Previous efforts to discuss the Code of Conduct had failed "due to disturbances from certain parties", Wang said, without naming any countries.

"Instead of making disturbances, parties should make efforts that are conducive to the process so as to create the necessary conditions and atmosphere," said Wang.


http://www.gmanetwork.com/news/story/320731/news/world/china-in-no-hurry-to-sign-south-china-sea-accord


No change in the rhetoric with the same language and same implications....

Win - win?? Don't think so. More like: "Heads, I win and tails, you lose."
proc will just use this to divide asean further, and malign and embarass the Philippines in the process, i.e. make a promise that they will finally sign an agreement on precondition that we withdraw the ITLOS arbitration case first. If the Phils. refuse, then proc will simply point the blame and accuse us of bad faith for the non agreement on the code of conduct. its their attempt to reverse the damage done to their reputation for our filing of the arbitration.
Edited by ganymede09, Aug 8 2013, 12:09 PM.
LET'S RAISE OUR MIDDLE FINGERs TO THE MIDDLE KINGDOM.
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Arbitration at ITLOS is different from DOC or COC. Our case with ITLOS, is to define the excessive claim of China, pertaining to nine dash line which overlap with our EEZ including the Panatag, Mishief, Recto bank, Ayungin etc, which is within our 200NM EEZ.

Now, DOC or COC pertains to all claimants parties to have peacefully joint exploration of resources, fishing rights,etc within the disputed islands not on undisputed islands.
But China wants both, all disputed and non-disputed island :lollol: :headbang:
Edited by PinoyAko, Aug 8 2013, 12:27 PM.
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