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PH-Australia VFA
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THE_NEWS_MAN	Jun 6 2012, 04:02 AM Post #11
Member Posts: 677 Group: Regulars Member #7,185 Joined: November 21, 2011	Ratification of Philippine-Australia military pact set at Senate Alarmed by the growing aggressiveness of China, the Senate leadership is poised to ratify today the Status of Visiting Forces Agreement (Sovfa) between the Philippines and Australia, a military treaty that does not allow basing rights and retain the country’s jurisdiction over heinous crimes such as rape. Only Senator Miriam Defensor-Santiago has kept the Senate at bay, frustrating efforts by the chamber, led by the Senate foreign relations committee chairperson, Loren Legarda, to have the treaty, signed five years ago, passed as early as Monday. For two days in a row, Santiago had effectively derailed the passage of Senate Resolution No. 788 calling for the ratification of the agreement. Interpellating Legarda, sponsor of the treaty, Santiago complained that the treaty was “vague.” She claimed that it would exempt Australian troops from paying taxes during military exercises, and prevent Filipino and Australian courts from imposing the death penalty on erring soldiers. “This treaty violates the doctrine of void for vagueness. It is so vague that it will spawn myriad irritants in RP-Australia relations,” said Santiago. Santiago said that the proponents of the agreement had not made clear its constitutional basis. “Why should Filipino military forces be trained by Australians in Philippine territory? Why are we not capable of training our own military forces within our own country?” she asked. ‘Grave dangers’ In her sponsorship speech, Legarda called for a “better prepared and better equipped naval and military force.” “We are faced by grave dangers and threats not present 15 years ago and the Philippines is at the strategic center of all these realities,” said Legarda. “A strategic center that has no fulcrum will not be able to realistically wage a sustainable, winning crusade against these regional and global threats.” Legarda pointed out that Australia and the Philippines were two sovereign nations “whose survival will be defined by its defense and protection of its maritime domains. We share with Australia a strong interest in maritime security cooperation and a shared strategic interest in the security of Southeast Asian shipping lanes.” Despite Santiago’s concern, the Senate leadership vowed to ratify the treaty before the sine die adjournment on Wednesday. Security umbrella During floor deliberations, senators stressed that the Sovfa was a much-needed “protective defensive treaty” amid the West Philippine Sea standoff, providing a measure of safety and confidence to the country on top of the Mutual Defense Treaty (MDT) between Manila and Washington. “We need no offensive treaty, but what we need is a protective defensive treaty with our friends and allies,” said Senator Edgardo Angara, explaining that the Sovfa would complete the so-called “security umbrella” of the Philippines He noted that the Philippines had security arrangements—from North to South—South Korea, Japan, Australia, New Zealand, Association of Southeast Asian Nations partners, Singapore and Indonesia. “(The Sovfa) is a shield for defense that the Philippines needs. The Philippines is on its knees defensively. This one will provide a measure of safety and confidence,” he said, taking note of the lingering tension stemming from the disputed Scarborough (Panatag) Shoal. Environmental protection According to Legarda, the Sovfa sets a precedent in defense agreements because it had unique provisions on environmental protection. She explained that the agreement explicitly prohibited the conduct of exercises or other activities in protected areas, ancestral domain areas, critical watersheds and protected forest areas. “It also provides that any environmental damage will be subject to claims and compensation and that the Sending State will be responsible for the rehabilitation of damaged areas,” she said. Proposed by the Philippines in 2006, the Sovfa was signed in Camberra in 2007, and was ratified by Australia in the same year. President Benigno Aquino endorsed the treaty for Senate ratification in December 2010. “The Sovfa is not a product of any country’s desire to expand and preserve its position of advantage over others,” Legarda said, explaining that the agreement would provide for enhanced bilateral defense and military cooperation between the Philippines and Australia through an exchange of visits. Source same story different publisher anyway il just post it for the sake of our readers who enjoys reading this kind of article.(thats including me LOL) Sabe na nga kasama un 3 trio nnmn why o why bong bong your putting your self with this 2 drama queen and king.we are gonna benefit more than the Aussies ang Australia is natatakot ren sa China lalo ngyn malakas gumastos ang CHINA.



Maubanin70	Jun 6 2012, 06:15 AM Post #12
Member Posts: 956 Group: Regulars Member #7,014 Joined: August 20, 2011	hay naku ayan na naman ala namang magaling na sinabi noong kainitan ng China-Philippines incident.. Saka ano 'to? "Why should Filipino military forces be trained by Australians in Philippine territory? Why are we not capable of training our own military forces within our own country? she asked." You can never learn so much... being prepare is all you can do and constant training is how our soldiers will become better. Alam na natin kung sino di natin i-boboto ang alam mga mag-papogi points ala naman counter proposal. sigh.



spearhead	Jun 6 2012, 07:00 AM Post #13
DoctorNO, Your Neutral Observer. Posts: 6,903 Group: Regulars Member #655 Joined: February 14, 2006	Ano ba yan nagiinarte nanaman si madam! We need as many allies as we can collect to contain china! Death penalty? Meron na bang death penalty sa pinas ulit? Hay ang gulo ni miriam.... Baka maassassinate na yan sa kakulitan nya....
	"Men of War must learn the art of numbers or he will not know how to array his troops." - Plato


Vermonter	Jun 6 2012, 10:25 AM Post #14
Member Posts: 1,199 Group: Regulars Member #4,740 Joined: June 13, 2008	These is the same country who trained and equiped the MNLF in the 70s and 80s.



pachador	Jun 6 2012, 11:08 AM Post #15
Posts: 3,560 Group: Elite Member #4,608 Joined: May 1, 2008	Vermonter Jun 6 2012, 10:25 AM These is the same country who trained and equiped the MNLF in the 70s and 80s. care to elaborate ???



zwahzhal	Jun 6 2012, 11:52 AM Post #16
Member Posts: 733 Group: Regulars Member #6,330 Joined: March 8, 2011	Sen. Miriam, bilib ako sa intellect mo pero, hindi ako bilib sa mga reasons mo. Kaya ang dapat sa'yo ay..... WA!



AVBsupersonic	Jun 6 2012, 02:58 PM Post #17
Member Posts: 1,996 Group: Regulars Member #5,877 Joined: April 10, 2010	Quote: Marcos, on the other hand, sought a clarification on the government’s foreign policy before he concurs with the agreement. He said there is a need to include in the equation the aggressiveness of China in asserting its rights over the West Philippine Sea. “It’s becoming a little delicate because many of the critics of the Australian VFA are also saying this is only a method of forward positioning, again to posture against China,” Marcos said. He lamented that the government does not have a well-explained and well-thought out foreign policy. “So we do not know exactly how we are supposed to do with our relationship with other countries,” Marcos said. A very good point coming from Sen. Marcos, clearly with regards to our present situation this agreement will be an advantage for us, he just wants everything to be "claro" to make sure that we'll be getting equal or the right benefits or what can we gain from this pact just to make sure "na hindi tayo na dedehado" Before he concurs with the agreement.
	"Some are just lucky that they're not under oath and are not classified!"- Blue badge


Samir_Duran	Jun 6 2012, 07:19 PM Post #18
THE GHOST Posts: 1,276 Group: Regulars Member #6,179 Joined: January 12, 2011	Vermonter Jun 6 2012, 10:25 AM These is the same country who trained and equiped the MNLF in the 70s and 80s. "These" is plural. "This" is singular. What countries are "these" that trained the MNLF in the 70's and 80's?



THE_NEWS_MAN	Jun 6 2012, 07:30 PM Post #19
Member Posts: 677 Group: Regulars Member #7,185 Joined: November 21, 2011	Senate passes resolution on visiting forces pact with Australia on 2nd reading MANILA, Philippines – The Senate on Wednesday passed the resolution on the Philippines-Australia Status of Visiting Forces Agreement on second reading with seven senators voting against it on the last day of the plenary sessions before the chamber’s sine die adjournment. Senators Joker Arroyo, Ralph Recto, Sergio Osmeña III, Ferdinand Marcos, Aquilino “Koko” Pimentel III and Miriam Defensor-Santiago voted against the passing of the SOVFA or Senate Resolution 788, which was certified by President Benigno Aquino III as urgent and was sponsored by Senator Loren Legarda on Monday. There were 21 senators present during the plenary session. During the voting, Osmeña said that his vote was in keeping with his stand against the VFA with the United States in 1999. Meanwhile, Senator Francis Pangilinan said that he will submit a written explanation on his vote come the third reading of the resolution. The Senate will have its sine die adjournment on June 7. Source



spearhead	Jun 6 2012, 09:20 PM Post #20
DoctorNO, Your Neutral Observer. Posts: 6,903 Group: Regulars Member #655 Joined: February 14, 2006	What do you guys think the main reason why australia is coming in the philippines? 1. Reinforce the US specops. 2. Support the RP campaign against china's aggression. 3. To replace US forces eventually. 4. All of the above.
	"Men of War must learn the art of numbers or he will not know how to array his troops." - Plato


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