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PHL needs 48 fighter jets, 6 mini-submarines; Based on a report by CNAS
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Furbolling	May 10 2012, 02:40 PM Post #41
Member Posts: 1,183 Group: Regulars Member #7,056 Joined: September 7, 2011	icefrog May 10 2012, 02:33 PM Furbolling May 10 2012, 08:55 AM icefrog May 8 2012, 09:23 PM spearhead May 8 2012, 04:50 AM InkognitoAce May 7 2012, 10:43 PM If we are shopping for MRFs, I sill think it would be wise to buy "normal" fighters (F-16s or FA-50s) that would be cheaper to operate and which we could buy in larger numbers, while at the same time having a smaller fleet of really advanced air-superiority fighters so we can push back any aerial intrusions from neighbouring air-forces (e.g.: Su-30/Su-35, Eurofighter Typhoon, F-15). This way, we can use the cheaper jets to conduct patrols and other such things, but use the more advanced ones when things really get serious. Thats actually the ideal concept of establishing our Fighter Wing. We need to keep atleast 1 squadron made of the latest 5th generation fighters, but for now it seems unaffordable unless if the philippines would forget about building their economy first, like the various infrastructures to support it. If only they can afford a 48 units of MRF, perhaps they can reduce the numbers to 24 4th generation fighters instead, then around 6-12 units of 5th generation MRF, depending on the budget allocations. US 5th gen planes are out of reach. The only 5th gen plane we could possible afford is India/Russia's PAK-FA if current estimates holds true of it's cost. i don't think the Pak-Fa will cost less $120 million(aircraft only) because of the fact the SU-37 is said to cost $147 million each(aircraft only) according to what info i've read. PAK-FA is a generation ahead just like the F-22 and F-35. There won't be any SU-37 anymore. Project cancelled. It's just SU-30->Su-35 and then PAK-FA/T-50 True but do actually believe that SU-37 will cost more than Pak-Fa even if the 37 is less advance and not even an stealth figther. The more advance the fighter the more expensive it will be
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icefrog	May 10 2012, 03:03 PM Post #42
Posts: 6,518 Group: Elite Member #6,941 Joined: July 20, 2011	Furbolling May 10 2012, 02:40 PM icefrog May 10 2012, 02:33 PM Furbolling May 10 2012, 08:55 AM icefrog May 8 2012, 09:23 PM spearhead May 8 2012, 04:50 AM InkognitoAce May 7 2012, 10:43 PM If we are shopping for MRFs, I sill think it would be wise to buy "normal" fighters (F-16s or FA-50s) that would be cheaper to operate and which we could buy in larger numbers, while at the same time having a smaller fleet of really advanced air-superiority fighters so we can push back any aerial intrusions from neighbouring air-forces (e.g.: Su-30/Su-35, Eurofighter Typhoon, F-15). This way, we can use the cheaper jets to conduct patrols and other such things, but use the more advanced ones when things really get serious. Thats actually the ideal concept of establishing our Fighter Wing. We need to keep atleast 1 squadron made of the latest 5th generation fighters, but for now it seems unaffordable unless if the philippines would forget about building their economy first, like the various infrastructures to support it. If only they can afford a 48 units of MRF, perhaps they can reduce the numbers to 24 4th generation fighters instead, then around 6-12 units of 5th generation MRF, depending on the budget allocations. US 5th gen planes are out of reach. The only 5th gen plane we could possible afford is India/Russia's PAK-FA if current estimates holds true of it's cost. i don't think the Pak-Fa will cost less $120 million(aircraft only) because of the fact the SU-37 is said to cost $147 million each(aircraft only) according to what info i've read. PAK-FA is a generation ahead just like the F-22 and F-35. There won't be any SU-37 anymore. Project cancelled. It's just SU-30->Su-35 and then PAK-FA/T-50 True but do actually believe that SU-37 will cost more than Pak-Fa even if the 37 is less advance and not even an stealth figther. The more advance the fighter the more expensive it will be Do you still believe the F-35 will cost less than $100M? Most articles I read are estimating the PAK-FA/T-50 to still cost less than the F-35. Last but not least, do you sincerely and honestly believe US Congress will approve us of getting the F-35? I even have doubts we will be requesting it in the first place.
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Furbolling	May 10 2012, 03:46 PM Post #43
Member Posts: 1,183 Group: Regulars Member #7,056 Joined: September 7, 2011	icefrog May 10 2012, 03:03 PM Furbolling May 10 2012, 02:40 PM icefrog May 10 2012, 02:33 PM Furbolling May 10 2012, 08:55 AM icefrog May 8 2012, 09:23 PM spearhead May 8 2012, 04:50 AM InkognitoAce May 7 2012, 10:43 PM If we are shopping for MRFs, I sill think it would be wise to buy "normal" fighters (F-16s or FA-50s) that would be cheaper to operate and which we could buy in larger numbers, while at the same time having a smaller fleet of really advanced air-superiority fighters so we can push back any aerial intrusions from neighbouring air-forces (e.g.: Su-30/Su-35, Eurofighter Typhoon, F-15). This way, we can use the cheaper jets to conduct patrols and other such things, but use the more advanced ones when things really get serious. Thats actually the ideal concept of establishing our Fighter Wing. We need to keep atleast 1 squadron made of the latest 5th generation fighters, but for now it seems unaffordable unless if the philippines would forget about building their economy first, like the various infrastructures to support it. If only they can afford a 48 units of MRF, perhaps they can reduce the numbers to 24 4th generation fighters instead, then around 6-12 units of 5th generation MRF, depending on the budget allocations. US 5th gen planes are out of reach. The only 5th gen plane we could possible afford is India/Russia's PAK-FA if current estimates holds true of it's cost. i don't think the Pak-Fa will cost less $120 million(aircraft only) because of the fact the SU-37 is said to cost $147 million each(aircraft only) according to what info i've read. PAK-FA is a generation ahead just like the F-22 and F-35. There won't be any SU-37 anymore. Project cancelled. It's just SU-30->Su-35 and then PAK-FA/T-50 True but do actually believe that SU-37 will cost more than Pak-Fa even if the 37 is less advance and not even an stealth figther. The more advance the fighter the more expensive it will be Do you still believe the F-35 will cost less than $100M? Most articles I read are estimating the PAK-FA/T-50 to still cost less than the F-35. Last but not least, do you sincerely and honestly believe US Congress will approve us of getting the F-35? I even have doubts we will be requesting it in the first place. so you actually believe in what Russia said. Just try and go to other forum and ask what will the price of Pak-Fa only he Russian fanboy and RussianStrong club will give you an estimate below $100. For F-35 even Bill Sweetman(a critic of F-35) said that it will cost $89 million by 2018, and some country said that the cost of F-35 will be in the range of $65-90 million. Just wait til the Full-Rate production begin and let's see which one will cost less. And about US not selling the F-35 right now our relationship to them is getting better and stronger. And if we strike a deal with the like the deal we are negotiating to them(temporary basing and repair) i don't see any reason why US will not allow us to get it starting 2025. And by the way we will not have a great problem in maintenance of the F-35 by then because I'm pretty sure some US F-35 will be base here. And will Russia let the Pak-Fa be in our hands if he knows that US will be here once again. It will be easy for the American to see how the T-50 work. With what the current state of our relation with US going strong and our economy beginning to show sign of fast improvement+ with improve relation with Japan, Sk, Australia and Singapore it will be best for us to have a common airframe to them and only the F-35 is the one that i could think about to be the best choice. And if we need major maintenance we got 2 near country that will be have the ability to do it because of their contract in F-35, Japan and Autralia
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Furbolling	May 10 2012, 04:09 PM Post #44
Member Posts: 1,183 Group: Regulars Member #7,056 Joined: September 7, 2011	and if you ask me do i believe the cost of F-35 will go lower than 100 the answer is yes. If the cost of 19 F-35A is $122 million what will be the cost of over 75 F-35A the US will get starting in 2018 this didn't include the buy of other country which may run to hundreds including US buy/year i don't see why it can't go lower than 100. Do you know the price of the first 2 F-35A in LRIP-1 it cost around $210 million(aircraft only) and now in LRIP-4(which have the highest buy so far) it cost US $122 million(aircraft only) see how big did the cost of F-35 go down. Simple economic "the higher purchase of unit, the lower the price then vise versa"
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icefrog	May 10 2012, 04:58 PM Post #45
Posts: 6,518 Group: Elite Member #6,941 Joined: July 20, 2011	^ Well, I hope you are right about the F-35 price and US letting us buy it. I sincerely do. Right now, don't blame me if I doubt what you are saying. We just have to wait. I actually don't see Phils. buying 5th gen planes. I only mention PAK-FA in passing just to say that if ever Phils. decides to get 5th gen planes it will probably what we can afford.
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KFIR	May 10 2012, 06:20 PM Post #46
Member Posts: 2,416 Group: Regulars Member #5,929 Joined: June 7, 2010	Furbolling May 10 2012, 08:55 AM icefrog May 8 2012, 09:23 PM spearhead May 8 2012, 04:50 AM InkognitoAce May 7 2012, 10:43 PM If we are shopping for MRFs, I sill think it would be wise to buy "normal" fighters (F-16s or FA-50s) that would be cheaper to operate and which we could buy in larger numbers, while at the same time having a smaller fleet of really advanced air-superiority fighters so we can push back any aerial intrusions from neighbouring air-forces (e.g.: Su-30/Su-35, Eurofighter Typhoon, F-15). This way, we can use the cheaper jets to conduct patrols and other such things, but use the more advanced ones when things really get serious. Thats actually the ideal concept of establishing our Fighter Wing. We need to keep atleast 1 squadron made of the latest 5th generation fighters, but for now it seems unaffordable unless if the philippines would forget about building their economy first, like the various infrastructures to support it. If only they can afford a 48 units of MRF, perhaps they can reduce the numbers to 24 4th generation fighters instead, then around 6-12 units of 5th generation MRF, depending on the budget allocations. US 5th gen planes are out of reach. The only 5th gen plane we could possible afford is India/Russia's PAK-FA if current estimates holds true of it's cost. i don't think the Pak-Fa will cost less $120 million(aircraft only) because of the fact the SU-37 is said to cost $147 million each(aircraft only) according to what info i've read. PAK-FA is a generation ahead just like the F-22 and F-35. Sukhoi Pak FA cost $100 million which I doubt if we can afford to buy a squadron. We can achieve 48 fighter jets through 3rd generation fighter jets in less than a decade. There are a number of 3rd generation fighter jets out there that can still be upgraded to match against 4th (and may be even 5th) generation fighter jets.



fernandez705	May 11 2012, 12:44 AM Post #47
Member Posts: 1,231 Group: Regulars Member #7,225 Joined: December 27, 2011	Philippines Junks Plan to Buy 'Ageing' F16s The Philippine government has lined up the purchase of several air assets, including 21 UH1H helicopters, 10 attack helicopters and two C130 cargo planes. (photo : 144fw-ANG) MANILA, Philippines -- The Philippines has abandoned plans to purchase �ageing� F16 fighter jets from the United States after deciding repairing and refurbishing the aircraft would cost too much. �F16 is an ageing air asset that will be given to us. It�s mothballed and if you�re going to refurbish it, we have to evaluate because it will cost too much,� Defense Secretary Voltaire Gazmin told a news briefing. Even after refurbishing, he added, the jets would only have three to four years of flying time left. �Lugi ka (You lose),� Gazmin said. The defense chief said the fighter jets were not brought up during the 2+2 meeting with US officials in Washington. However, the Philippine government has lined up the purchase of several air assets, including 21 Vietnam War-vintage UH1H helicopters, 10 attack helicopters and two C130 cargo planes. The Philippines is also expecting four additional SoKol choppers within the year. http://defense-studies.blogspot.co.uk/2012...buy-ageing.html http://www.interaksyon.com/article/31456/p...buy-ageing-f16s here are other options new f-16s, upgrade 2nd hand mirage 2000-5, (preferably) jas 39 (most important of all the e/f version)



THE_NEWS_MAN	May 11 2012, 12:59 AM Post #48
Member Posts: 677 Group: Regulars Member #7,185 Joined: November 21, 2011	sir fernadez i know u wanna help the people here in PDFF,but u posted this article in 2 different sections.kindly next time post it in 1 section kasi medyo nakakalito dahil katulad ko akala ko bagong post un pala double post.



fernandez705	May 11 2012, 01:12 AM Post #49
Member Posts: 1,231 Group: Regulars Member #7,225 Joined: December 27, 2011	KFIR May 10 2012, 06:20 PM Furbolling May 10 2012, 08:55 AM icefrog May 8 2012, 09:23 PM spearhead May 8 2012, 04:50 AM InkognitoAce May 7 2012, 10:43 PM If we are shopping for MRFs, I sill think it would be wise to buy "normal" fighters (F-16s or FA-50s) that would be cheaper to operate and which we could buy in larger numbers, while at the same time having a smaller fleet of really advanced air-superiority fighters so we can push back any aerial intrusions from neighbouring air-forces (e.g.: Su-30/Su-35, Eurofighter Typhoon, F-15). This way, we can use the cheaper jets to conduct patrols and other such things, but use the more advanced ones when things really get serious. Thats actually the ideal concept of establishing our Fighter Wing. We need to keep atleast 1 squadron made of the latest 5th generation fighters, but for now it seems unaffordable unless if the philippines would forget about building their economy first, like the various infrastructures to support it. If only they can afford a 48 units of MRF, perhaps they can reduce the numbers to 24 4th generation fighters instead, then around 6-12 units of 5th generation MRF, depending on the budget allocations. US 5th gen planes are out of reach. The only 5th gen plane we could possible afford is India/Russia's PAK-FA if current estimates holds true of it's cost. i don't think the Pak-Fa will cost less $120 million(aircraft only) because of the fact the SU-37 is said to cost $147 million each(aircraft only) according to what info i've read. PAK-FA is a generation ahead just like the F-22 and F-35. Sukhoi Pak FA cost $100 million which I doubt if we can afford to buy a squadron. We can achieve 48 fighter jets through 3rd generation fighter jets in less than a decade. There are a number of 3rd generation fighter jets out there that can still be upgraded to match against 4th (and may be even 5th) generation fighter jets. no disrespect but ive been looking through different sources that are well known and they all have different views on the aircrafts prices. some source have similarities to your sources and some have similarities to other sources with a different price.



udf21	May 11 2012, 02:03 AM Post #50
Member Posts: 270 Group: Regulars Member #5,912 Joined: May 24, 2010	fernandez705 May 10 2012, 09:44 AM Philippines Junks Plan to Buy 'Ageing' F16s The Philippine government has lined up the purchase of several air assets, including 21 UH1H helicopters, 10 attack helicopters and two C130 cargo planes. (photo : 144fw-ANG) MANILA, Philippines -- The Philippines has abandoned plans to purchase �ageing� F16 fighter jets from the United States after deciding repairing and refurbishing the aircraft would cost too much. Enough with the counterinsurgency crap already. The PAF and PN need hardware for external defense. All the attack helicopters would be good for is target practice by Chinese JF-17s - who can take their time lining them up on their search radars.



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