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PHL needs 48 fighter jets, 6 mini-submarines; Based on a report by CNAS
Topic Started: May 5 2012, 03:59 AM (7,584 Views)
fernandez705
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KFIR
May 6 2012, 03:37 PM
fernandez705
May 6 2012, 02:57 PM
KFIR
May 6 2012, 08:19 AM
fernandez705
May 6 2012, 06:31 AM
aircraft and submarine suggestions.

subs:
amur class: $100,000,000
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amur_class_submarine

kilo class: $200–250 million (China paid approx. US$1.5-2 billion for 8 Project 636 Kilo class submarines)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kilo_class_submarine

Are those mini-subs?

no mr kfir there not mini subs but they have a decent price tag (according to wikipedia) and The amur class sonar signature level of the submarines of this class is several times lower in comparison with “Kilo” class submarines.

But what was mentioned in the news? PHL needs 48 fighter jets, 6 mini-submarines! By the way, is the 48 fighter jets of the same type or different types?

i dont know, i chose a 24 + 24 to have a mixture of new and old, maintenance effectiveness, the relations between our country and the US finally as i said before a mixture of a combat proven aircraft and a updated aircraft suited for today's and future requirement.
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fernandez705
May 6 2012, 04:05 PM
KFIR
May 6 2012, 03:37 PM
fernandez705
May 6 2012, 02:57 PM
KFIR
May 6 2012, 08:19 AM
fernandez705
May 6 2012, 06:31 AM
aircraft and submarine suggestions.

subs:
amur class: $100,000,000
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amur_class_submarine

kilo class: $200–250 million (China paid approx. US$1.5-2 billion for 8 Project 636 Kilo class submarines)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kilo_class_submarine

Are those mini-subs?

no mr kfir there not mini subs but they have a decent price tag (according to wikipedia) and The amur class sonar signature level of the submarines of this class is several times lower in comparison with “Kilo” class submarines.

But what was mentioned in the news? PHL needs 48 fighter jets, 6 mini-submarines! By the way, is the 48 fighter jets of the same type or different types?

i dont know, i chose a 24 + 24 to have a mixture of new and old, maintenance effectiveness, the relations between our country and the US finally as i said before a mixture of a combat proven aircraft and a updated aircraft suited for today's and future requirement.

24 old plus 24 new of still the same type or different type like what Goose proposed? Maintenance wise it's better to have 48 fighter jets of the same type so you cannibalize the others for spare parts when supply (or budget) runs out.
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KFIR
May 6 2012, 04:58 PM
fernandez705
May 6 2012, 04:05 PM
KFIR
May 6 2012, 03:37 PM
fernandez705
May 6 2012, 02:57 PM
KFIR
May 6 2012, 08:19 AM
fernandez705
May 6 2012, 06:31 AM
aircraft and submarine suggestions.

subs:
amur class: $100,000,000
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amur_class_submarine

kilo class: $200–250 million (China paid approx. US$1.5-2 billion for 8 Project 636 Kilo class submarines)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kilo_class_submarine

Are those mini-subs?

no mr kfir there not mini subs but they have a decent price tag (according to wikipedia) and The amur class sonar signature level of the submarines of this class is several times lower in comparison with “Kilo” class submarines.

But what was mentioned in the news? PHL needs 48 fighter jets, 6 mini-submarines! By the way, is the 48 fighter jets of the same type or different types?

i dont know, i chose a 24 + 24 to have a mixture of new and old, maintenance effectiveness, the relations between our country and the US finally as i said before a mixture of a combat proven aircraft and a updated aircraft suited for today's and future requirement.

24 old plus 24 new of still the same type or different type like what Goose proposed? Maintenance wise it's better to have 48 fighter jets of the same type so you cannibalize the others for spare parts when supply (or budget) runs out.

f-16s maintenance flightcost per hour is around $4000 times that by 48 will be $192000 per flight hour.
compared to the 24 f-16s and the 24 jas 39 ngs it will be 24 x 4000 will be $96000 and 24 x 3000 will be $72000 all together it will be $168000 per flight hour.
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May 6 2012, 04:58 PM
fernandez705
May 6 2012, 04:05 PM
KFIR
May 6 2012, 03:37 PM
fernandez705
May 6 2012, 02:57 PM
KFIR
May 6 2012, 08:19 AM
fernandez705
May 6 2012, 06:31 AM
aircraft and submarine suggestions.

subs:
amur class: $100,000,000
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amur_class_submarine

kilo class: $200–250 million (China paid approx. US$1.5-2 billion for 8 Project 636 Kilo class submarines)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kilo_class_submarine

Are those mini-subs?

no mr kfir there not mini subs but they have a decent price tag (according to wikipedia) and The amur class sonar signature level of the submarines of this class is several times lower in comparison with “Kilo” class submarines.

But what was mentioned in the news? PHL needs 48 fighter jets, 6 mini-submarines! By the way, is the 48 fighter jets of the same type or different types?

i dont know, i chose a 24 + 24 to have a mixture of new and old, maintenance effectiveness, the relations between our country and the US finally as i said before a mixture of a combat proven aircraft and a updated aircraft suited for today's and future requirement.

24 old plus 24 new of still the same type or different type like what Goose proposed? Maintenance wise it's better to have 48 fighter jets of the same type so you cannibalize the others for spare parts when supply (or budget) runs out.

that's bad and we should change that mentality. we need all our (would be) fighters in the air not for spare parts; RP gov't should provide money for maintenance of this birds(to be).
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If we are getting 48 fighters (a pipe dream if you ask me), we should only get one type and that will most likely be the 2nd-hand F-16's. Let us not forget the hard lessons learned when the PAF was operating both the F-5 and the F-8.

We can't afford to support two platforms.
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May 7 2012, 09:11 AM
If we are getting 48 fighters (a pipe dream if you ask me), we should only get one type and that will most likely be the 2nd-hand F-16's. Let us not forget the hard lessons learned when the PAF was operating both the F-5 and the F-8.

We can't afford to support two platforms.

IMHO, may it be single platform or a dual/mixed platform strategy ( which I would prefer, in case we have to ground one platform type in case of emergency, so we could have operational flexibility), bottom line is, we shall have unimpeded financial support to sustain and maintain these assets. :specool:
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Getting 48 MRFs over a course of several years is doable. I see it happening by 2030-2040 where our economy is projected to be better.
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actually the original afp modernization calls for the acquisition of 36 MRFs and 24 Surface attack aircrafts..so the 48 fighter jets are not impossible acquisition in the next years to come.. probably we can achieve this not on the 2030 to 2040 scenario but on an earlier date.. like 2020 to 2025..but this depends also on the willingness of the next administration from 2016 to invest on acquiring air assets.. . Pnoy has already stated that we will rebuild the PAF by acquiring More squadrons of fighter jets in the years even after his term of office, but it will all depend also on his successors political will to carry on the afp moderzation...so lets be wary of whom to vote this coming elections..
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jvelarde
May 7 2012, 09:11 AM
If we are getting 48 fighters (a pipe dream if you ask me), we should only get one type and that will most likely be the 2nd-hand F-16's. Let us not forget the hard lessons learned when the PAF was operating both the F-5 and the F-8.

We can't afford to support two platforms.

How did you know that we can't support 2 platforms?

For the last 50 yrs, the philippines was supporting various platforms, and only ended up in garbages, not because we could not afford it, but due to rampant mismanagement and corruptions by our previous defence and other military officials.

I never buy this ideology of we can't, specially f we based it from today's philippine economic performance, it's slow but its moving on.
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If we are shopping for MRFs, I sill think it would be wise to buy "normal" fighters (F-16s or FA-50s) that would be cheaper to operate and which we could buy in larger numbers, while at the same time having a smaller fleet of really advanced air-superiority fighters so we can push back any aerial intrusions from neighbouring air-forces (e.g.: Su-30/Su-35, Eurofighter Typhoon, F-15).
This way, we can use the cheaper jets to conduct patrols and other such things, but use the more advanced ones when things really get serious.
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