PHL needs 48 fighter jets, 6 mini-submarines

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PHL needs 48 fighter jets, 6 mini-submarines; Based on a report by CNAS
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icefrog	May 5 2012, 04:35 PM Post #11
Posts: 6,518 Group: Elite Member #6,941 Joined: July 20, 2011	The 48 number is the ideal number. At least according to that think-tank. We will eventually get there but it's not a one-shot deal. This will be on a course of SEVERAL years and will span at least 2-3 administrations. This is not like going to a car dealership and order a fleet of cars and get all in a couple of months. Between training, lag in production and delivery time this will take several years and a couple of administrations. Some of us aren't past the planning long-term yet, I guess. We definitely start with just 1-2 squadrons to lessen the shock.
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udf21	May 5 2012, 05:37 PM Post #12
Member Posts: 270 Group: Regulars Member #5,912 Joined: May 24, 2010	Santi Kampilan May 4 2012, 11:35 PM It seem like the order of priority said by the article is the following: 1) Refurbished f-16's with AESA radar 2) A minimum of 6 mini-subs. 3) Frigates, Corvettes, OPV's, 4) Land based missile systems and long range radars But how long will these refurbished F-16 last after SLEP? 15 years? Would it be better to buy newer ones instead or a combo (Mix with new MRFs and Refurbished F-16)? I would also put more money on the subs like the Amur and arm them with the Clubs. I don't think we can wait for 2020 to start tinkering on subs. I think the sooner the better. Everybody has a sub fleet in ASEAN (the major countries) except us. Let us use whatever credit line, such as the Koreans, we can acquire because these Chicoms seem to be in a time constraint. I believe because of their oil running out in a decade they will have to scramble for alternative sources and the most logical is the WPS. Looks like we will have to run up a string of budget deficits by a couple hundred billion pesos again and sell it in the market place (maybe China will buy some of our bonds) just to fund these items asap. The Balance Fiscal goals of Pnoy maybe lost because there is a more urgent need. Defense of the Philippines! Congress and Senate are dillidollying-around and needed their butts kicked to have a sense of urgency! It would be nice if our economy were prosperous enough that we could afford this kind of expenditure for weaponry. Sadly, we don't. Economics and defense go hand in hand. More Pinoys with high paying jobs INSIDE the country will improve our tax base and improve our defense posture. Bring in outside investors to create new companies, new industries. Have the batasan abolish the 60-40 rule, amend the protectionist constitution. These are initiatives we can do now so let's do it so we can move forward with buying more high-tech toys for our military.



KFIR	May 5 2012, 07:29 PM Post #13
Member Posts: 2,416 Group: Regulars Member #5,929 Joined: June 7, 2010	Santi Kampilan May 5 2012, 02:35 PM But how long will these refurbished F-16 last after SLEP? 15 years? 2 years according to Defense Secretary Gazmin.



spearhead	May 5 2012, 08:21 PM Post #14
DoctorNO, Your Neutral Observer. Posts: 6,903 Group: Regulars Member #655 Joined: February 14, 2006	I dont know why some people are really in need of attention, starting new threads that are already related to some existing topics here. This place is littered with all types of one topic in multiple threads! Such as this! israeli, could you please be more responsible when you visit this place after you hopped in from Timawa? Don't be a bad influence to others when it comes to starting new threads. Some are already following your lazy examples, and you've been here for so many years. We got some PAF modernization thread already, another is AFP modernization. And this one may belong either the 2 of them. Just look for them para sa susunod hindi ma magdodoble-doble mga threads dito. Thank you! My goodness....
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fernandez705	May 6 2012, 06:31 AM Post #15
Member Posts: 1,231 Group: Regulars Member #7,225 Joined: December 27, 2011	aircraft and submarine suggestions. subs: amur class: $100,000,000 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amur_class_submarine kilo class: $200�250 million (China paid approx. US$1.5-2 billion for 8 Project 636 Kilo class submarines) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kilo_class_submarine aircrafts 48 mrfs and 12 lifts: 12 yak 130 24 jas 39 ng (16 single seat + 8 two seater) 24 f-16 (16 single seat + 8 two seater) a mixture of a battle hardened veteran and an updated rookie. 1 squadron consists of 12 aircraft (6 jas 39 ng + 6 f-16) all of these equipment will be modified for our requirements. how to get it: f-16s will be given for free along with the hamilton class vessels (with all her equipment) as a payment for allowing america to base in our country temporarily, but we will pay for modification. as for the jas 39 ph (modified for our purposes just like the jas 39 IN) we can buy 12 jas 39 ng with 12 jas 39 a/b if they allow us and we will upgrade the a/b in ng or buy 24 jas 39 ng along with technology transfer. we will ask for its fly away cost then add spare parts and training it should cost its higher price eg. jas 39 lowest cost according to wikipedia is $40 mil + training + spare parts hopefully should cost $60 mil same as a standard jas 39. all together (in my calculations) it should cost around $5 bil consisting 24 jas, 24 f-16s, 12 yak 130, 6-8 amur class, 6-8 stereguschy class corvette. it should be enough to fit the remaining money left in the modernization budget.



KFIR	May 6 2012, 08:19 AM Post #16
Member Posts: 2,416 Group: Regulars Member #5,929 Joined: June 7, 2010	fernandez705 May 6 2012, 06:31 AM aircraft and submarine suggestions. subs: amur class: $100,000,000 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amur_class_submarine kilo class: $200�250 million (China paid approx. US$1.5-2 billion for 8 Project 636 Kilo class submarines) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kilo_class_submarine Are those mini-subs?



adrian_yamato	May 6 2012, 11:49 AM Post #17
Member Posts: 980 Group: Regulars Member #2,812 Joined: August 4, 2007	fernandez705 May 6 2012, 06:31 AM as for the jas 39 ph (modified for our purposes just like the jas 39 IN) we can buy 12 jas 39 ng with 12 jas 39 a/b if they allow us and we will upgrade the a/b in ng or buy 24 jas 39 ng along with technology transfer. we will ask for its fly away cost then add spare parts and training it should cost its higher price eg. jas 39 lowest cost according to wikipedia is $40 mil + training + spare parts hopefully should cost $60 mil same as a standard jas 39. we should get the "Charlie" ones , the have the in-flight refueling , so that we can able to catch up.....
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fernandez705	May 6 2012, 02:57 PM Post #18
Member Posts: 1,231 Group: Regulars Member #7,225 Joined: December 27, 2011	KFIR May 6 2012, 08:19 AM fernandez705 May 6 2012, 06:31 AM aircraft and submarine suggestions. subs: amur class: $100,000,000 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amur_class_submarine kilo class: $200�250 million (China paid approx. US$1.5-2 billion for 8 Project 636 Kilo class submarines) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kilo_class_submarine Are those mini-subs? no mr kfir there not mini subs but they have a decent price tag (according to wikipedia) and The amur class sonar signature level of the submarines of this class is several times lower in comparison with �Kilo� class submarines.



fernandez705	May 6 2012, 03:21 PM Post #19
Member Posts: 1,231 Group: Regulars Member #7,225 Joined: December 27, 2011	adrian_yamato May 6 2012, 11:49 AM fernandez705 May 6 2012, 06:31 AM as for the jas 39 ph (modified for our purposes just like the jas 39 IN) we can buy 12 jas 39 ng with 12 jas 39 a/b if they allow us and we will upgrade the a/b in ng or buy 24 jas 39 ng along with technology transfer. we will ask for its fly away cost then add spare parts and training it should cost its higher price eg. jas 39 lowest cost according to wikipedia is $40 mil + training + spare parts hopefully should cost $60 mil same as a standard jas 39. we should get the "Charlie" ones , the have the in-flight refueling , so that we can able to catch up..... i chose the jas 39 ng (designation jas 39 e/f) because and obviously an improved version (meaning a longer combat radius) with a smaller rcs signiture compared to an f-16, its also hmds capable (The Thales "Guardian" helmet-mounted display (HMT)) and the e/f variant is designed to be the equivalent and to compete against the f-18, rafale etc. also having US parts means both the f-16 and jas 39 parts can be bought in the US. sources: http://jas39gripen.blogspot.co.uk/



KFIR	May 6 2012, 03:37 PM Post #20
Member Posts: 2,416 Group: Regulars Member #5,929 Joined: June 7, 2010	fernandez705 May 6 2012, 02:57 PM KFIR May 6 2012, 08:19 AM fernandez705 May 6 2012, 06:31 AM aircraft and submarine suggestions. subs: amur class: $100,000,000 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amur_class_submarine kilo class: $200�250 million (China paid approx. US$1.5-2 billion for 8 Project 636 Kilo class submarines) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kilo_class_submarine Are those mini-subs? no mr kfir there not mini subs but they have a decent price tag (according to wikipedia) and The amur class sonar signature level of the submarines of this class is several times lower in comparison with �Kilo� class submarines. But what was mentioned in the news? PHL needs 48 fighter jets, 6 mini-submarines! By the way, is the 48 fighter jets of the same type or different types?



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