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PHL needs 48 fighter jets, 6 mini-submarines; Based on a report by CNAS
Topic Started: May 5 2012, 03:59 AM (7,578 Views)
israeli
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Phl needs 48 fighter jets, 6 mini submarines - report
By Jose Katigbak, STAR Washington Bureau (The Philippine Star) Updated May 05, 2012 12:00 AM


WASHINGTON – The Philippines needs up to four squadrons (48) of upgraded Lockheed Martin F-16 fighter jets, more well-armed frigates and corvette-size, fast to surface combatant vessels and minesweepers and four to six mini submarines, possibly obtained from Russia, to build a credible defense force in the face of China’s increasing belligerence in the South China Sea, the Center for a New American Security (CNAS) said.

This level of capability would far exceed current Philippine planning and finances and it would be in Washington’s interest to make it easier for Manila to acquire excess US fighters, frigates and other weapons system and encourage other countries such as Japan and South Korea to help modernize the Armed Forces of the Philippines (AFP), it said in an article “Defending the Philippines: Military modernization and the challenges ahead.”

The CNAS article on Thursday written by Richard Fisher said the AFP’s modernization program was estimated to cost about $1 billion over the course of President Aquino’s six-year term – an amount that pales in comparison to China’s 2012 official military budget of more than $100 billion.

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The article lauded Aquino’s determination to build up his country’s military forces and said he has spent more than $395 million on AFP modernization since coming into office, compared with $51 million annually in the previous 15 years.

It said he is seeking to purchase a small number of F-16s supported by six to 12 Surface Attack Aircraft (SAA)/Lead-In Fighter Training (LIFT) aircraft such as the subsonic Italian Aermacchi T-346 or the supersonic Korean Aerospace Industries (KAI) T/A-50, both of which could be modified to perform secondary combat missions.

A considerable investment in training, logistical support and basing will have to precede the aircrafts’ service entry, estimated to be in 2016, the article said.

In 2011, the Philippine Navy (PN) restored a program to acquire two multi-role vessels in the form of 5,000-to-10,000-ton Landing Platform Deck (LPD) ships capable of supporting Marine amphibious operations supplying outposts in the Spratly Islands or conducting disaster relief operations.

The PN is also looking for a land-based anti-ship cruise missile like a version of the US Boeing AMG-84 Harpoon which has a range of 120 kms and could also be used by frigates and F-16s, said Fisher, a senior fellow with the International Assessment and Strategy Center, in his article.

“Finally, the PN would like to acquire a submarine by 2020, which would become its most ambitious and expensive program to date,” the article said.

Given the economic and political stakes in ensuring that all East Asian countries maintain unimpeded access to the sea lanes near the Philippines, both those nations and the United States now share a real interest in the success of the AFP modernization.

The timing is also fortuitous, the article said, because “the United States now has a pragmatic partner in President Aquino who has proved his intention to invest in national defense and is willing to rise above nationalist resentments from the bases era.”

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"To secure peace is to prepare for war." - Carl Von Clausewitz
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Like I said from the shoutbox. It's highly suggestive and bias for the upgraded/refurbished F-16s.

They could have simply said Phils. needs upto 48 MRFs but no they need to be specific about F-16s and to go through the upgraded/refurbished route.

1 squadron of upgraded F-16s is enough. Just mix it up with other MRFs, preferably brandnew ones such as FA-50s, Sukhois, Gripens, Mirage 2000s, whatever.

We can't have all our eggs in one basket in upgraded/refurbished F-16s.


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When I say someone is whispering/suggesting to PNoy. It's not Filipinos. Malinaw na yan.

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May 5 2012, 03:59 AM
Phl needs 48 fighter jets, 6 mini submarines - report
By Jose Katigbak, STAR Washington Bureau (The Philippine Star) Updated May 05, 2012 12:00 AM


WASHINGTON – The Philippines needs up to four squadrons (48) of upgraded Lockheed Martin F-16 fighter jets, more well-armed frigates and corvette-size, fast to surface combatant vessels and minesweepers and four to six mini submarines, possibly obtained from Russia, to build a credible defense force in the face of China’s increasing belligerence in the South China Sea, the Center for a New American Security (CNAS) said.

This level of capability would far exceed current Philippine planning and finances and it would be in Washington’s interest to make it easier for Manila to acquire excess US fighters, frigates and other weapons system and encourage other countries such as Japan and South Korea to help modernize the Armed Forces of the Philippines (AFP), it said in an article “Defending the Philippines: Military modernization and the challenges ahead.”

The CNAS article on Thursday written by Richard Fisher said the AFP’s modernization program was estimated to cost about $1 billion over the course of President Aquino’s six-year term – an amount that pales in comparison to China’s 2012 official military budget of more than $100 billion.

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The article lauded Aquino’s determination to build up his country’s military forces and said he has spent more than $395 million on AFP modernization since coming into office, compared with $51 million annually in the previous 15 years.

It said he is seeking to purchase a small number of F-16s supported by six to 12 Surface Attack Aircraft (SAA)/Lead-In Fighter Training (LIFT) aircraft such as the subsonic Italian Aermacchi T-346 or the supersonic Korean Aerospace Industries (KAI) T/A-50, both of which could be modified to perform secondary combat missions.

A considerable investment in training, logistical support and basing will have to precede the aircrafts’ service entry, estimated to be in 2016, the article said.

In 2011, the Philippine Navy (PN) restored a program to acquire two multi-role vessels in the form of 5,000-to-10,000-ton Landing Platform Deck (LPD) ships capable of supporting Marine amphibious operations supplying outposts in the Spratly Islands or conducting disaster relief operations.

The PN is also looking for a land-based anti-ship cruise missile like a version of the US Boeing AMG-84 Harpoon which has a range of 120 kms and could also be used by frigates and F-16s, said Fisher, a senior fellow with the International Assessment and Strategy Center, in his article.

“Finally, the PN would like to acquire a submarine by 2020, which would become its most ambitious and expensive program to date,” the article said.

Given the economic and political stakes in ensuring that all East Asian countries maintain unimpeded access to the sea lanes near the Philippines, both those nations and the United States now share a real interest in the success of the AFP modernization.

The timing is also fortuitous, the article said, because “the United States now has a pragmatic partner in President Aquino who has proved his intention to invest in national defense and is willing to rise above nationalist resentments from the bases era.”

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they seem to be listening to our posts or reading our minds :armyeek: maybe they can use their mind reading skills to spy on chinas plans too :lollol:
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May 5 2012, 04:55 AM
Like I said from the shoutbox. It's highly suggestive and bias for the upgraded/refurbished F-16s.

They could have simply said Phils. needs upto 48 MRFs but no they need to be specific about F-16s and to go through the upgraded/refurbished route.

1 squadron of upgraded F-16s is enough.  Just mix it up with other MRFs, preferably brandnew ones such as FA-50s, Sukhois, Gripens, Mirage 2000s, whatever.

We can't have all our eggs in one basket in upgraded/refurbished F-16s.


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When I say someone is whispering/suggesting to PNoy.  It's not Filipinos. Malinaw na yan.


True. It didn't have to be the refurbished F-16's. I was just thinking they were maybe just using it as an example of particular cost effective and yet capable fighter to blunt the 50+ J-15's of the PLAN which by the next decade is expected to have a couple of carriers and numerous LPD capable of ferrying 1000's to places like the Spratlys or Palawan. The Philstar article is abridged but the actual article from CNAS
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http://www.cnas.org/files/documents/flashp...S_bulletin3.pdf

is actually suggesting not just an upgraded F-16's but a 4+generation F-16 with AESA radars. Even if we double down on our budget we will have a tough time getting to that capability.

What is glaring is the actual assessment of Chinese aggressiveness in their quest for dominance in the WPS in the coming years. Knowing our Congress and senate, they probably will make fun it. This Scarborough Shoal incident is a good wake up call regarding the Chinese resolved and indicative of its future intentions.
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I'm wondering what 48 aircraft will cost us, including maintenance, fuel and training. Hindi lang naman basta palabas yan, di ba? The F-16 pilots have to train constantly in air combat manuevering or dogfighting so the the F-16s can actually be useful in combat, correct? You just don't buy those things so they can be pasikat photospread by Philippine Star as "showpieces" of Pinoy defense. That means, huge expenditure in aviation fuel and spare parts, dummy missiles, and the occasional plane crash caused by inexperienced pilots.
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The US will not give that for free, we have to buy that.

Or you can do my defense strategy like a total sam defense and antiship sub planes which is much cheaper and gives you a fighting chance.

Or might as well, just dream live your life while it last until china start dropping bombs to our peaceful lives.



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Modernization should prioritize:

Patrol Ships with air/sub/ship detection, fast & lightly armed for Navy.
Surface Attack Aircraft with anti ship/sub attack capability for Airforce.
SAM with Radars, Close AA battery capable of shooting ground targets too for Army.
This triangle defense will work together and protect us from external threats.
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May 5 2012, 08:38 AM
I'm wondering what 48 aircraft will cost us, including maintenance, fuel and training. Hindi lang naman basta palabas yan, di ba? The F-16 pilots have to train constantly in air combat manuevering or dogfighting so the the F-16s can actually be useful in combat, correct? You just don't buy those things so they can be pasikat photospread by Philippine Star as "showpieces" of Pinoy defense. That means, huge expenditure in aviation fuel and spare parts, dummy missiles, and the occasional plane crash caused by inexperienced pilots.

The Philippine Air Force can get 48 fighter jets with the IAI KFIR C10 or if you want showpieces then do what the Russians did for psychological warfare against spies from the sky...

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Your constant ranting and out of topic comments are really deplorable paratorpe..read the whole article and try to understand each word..
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May 5 2012, 08:38 AM
I'm wondering what 48 aircraft will cost us, including maintenance, fuel and training. Hindi lang naman basta palabas yan, di ba? The F-16 pilots have to train constantly in air combat manuevering or dogfighting so the the F-16s can actually be useful in combat, correct? You just don't buy those things so they can be pasikat photospread by Philippine Star as "showpieces" of Pinoy defense. That means, huge expenditure in aviation fuel and spare parts, dummy missiles, and the occasional plane crash caused by inexperienced pilots.

This is what I meant when I said shock to our congress the expense we will be using just to operate 48 MRF will be huge. I've already posted some cost previously with 12 MRF it's in billion of pesos per year.

Ito ang di maisip noong iba dyan, what we will be spending in military expenditure will be taken from someone else budget (Educ, housing, highway.. etc)
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It seem like the order of priority said by the article is the following:

1) Refurbished f-16's with AESA radar
2) A minimum of 6 mini-subs.
3) Frigates, Corvettes, OPV's,
4) Land based missile systems and long range radars

But how long will these refurbished F-16 last after SLEP? 15 years? Would it be better to buy newer ones instead or a combo (Mix with new MRFs and Refurbished F-16)? I would also put more money on the subs like the Amur and arm them with the Clubs. I don't think we can wait for 2020 to start tinkering on subs. I think the sooner the better. Everybody has a sub fleet in ASEAN (the major countries) except us.
Let us use whatever credit line, such as the Koreans, we can acquire because these Chicoms seem to be in a time constraint. I believe because of their oil running out in a decade they will have to scramble for alternative sources and the most logical is the WPS.
Looks like we will have to run up a string of budget deficits by a couple hundred billion pesos again and sell it in the market place (maybe China will buy some of our bonds) just to fund these items asap. The Balance Fiscal goals of Pnoy maybe lost because there is a more urgent need. Defense of the Philippines!
Congress and Senate are dillidollying-around and needed their butts kicked to have a sense of urgency!
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