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PN eyes warship building deal with Vietnam
Topic Started: Mar 29 2012, 07:41 AM (9,366 Views)
zztopy
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Mar 29 2012, 08:38 AM

what superman is saying is we already have the know how and technology in ship building especially in commercial vessels, we were way ahead of Vietnam in ship building and now suddenly we are going there to learn how they do it. what we have are a bunch of traditional backward politicos thats our problem. but we know how to build choppers, missiles, ships, turbo prop aircrafts, APCs, SEAVs, assault rifles and hand guns, our government is just inutil. komprende? zztopy? if still no komprende then you are one of them. lol.




read frenzy's post..yes we have he know how but those are mostly in the private sector, our PN people doesn't have the same level of ability thats why this agreement with VPN for training of its personnel, unless the PN has the capability to attract those high paid ship architects, designers, builders from Keppel & FBMA.

if you care to open your myopic eyes more and comprehend the article more instead of being blinded by your political views & compulsion to rant then the answer is right before you, comprende?


but then people like you will never be satisfied, im sure you will find reason to blame the current government why the pn people are not as skilled as those in the private sector when it comes to shipbuilding.

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komprende? zztopy? if still no komprende then you are one of them. lol.


see how your kind tend to generalize and troll/flame just to advance your agenda?
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Mar 29 2012, 08:38 AM
zztopy? if still no komprende then you are one of them. lol.

Check your warn level.

You're about a step away from a total ban in this forum. :cop:
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Mar 29 2012, 09:00 AM
Frenzy
Mar 29 2012, 08:42 AM
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Mar 29 2012, 08:26 AM

How come Vietnam's navy got knowledge in modern naval construction and we are not when in fact we have decent shipbuilding facilities here like Keppel, Aboitiz FBMA etc. I think we made our own patrol ship much earlier than they have but now we are about to learn from them, hahaha what happen guys! are you sleeping for centuries...

If you people care to remember, Vietnam is a communist state and in a communist state everything is owned by the state, including military shipyards - which in Vietnam's case are owned by the VPN, it's navy.

Keppel, Aboitiz, etc are world-class shipbuilders but these are private enterprises. The government cannot just go there, assume their facilities so it can build ships for the Navy.

Yes frenzy your are right what we have here is a world class shipbuilding, but it doesn't mean we can't tap them to assist us in building our own navy ship, There is a thing called joint venture or public private partnership of course they can't just use the facility but the thing it's already available here. If the Navy is really dead serious in building our own ship then they can hire a private individual or a consultant to design or whatever technicalities needed but I don't think they have balls to even start it, sabi nga puro hangin lang tayo o kaya puro drawing lang! Teka di ba mas madali and humingi kesa gumawa e di humingi nalang tayo sanay naman tayo sa ganun kita mo this year meron na ulit bagong hingi hehehe...peace!

Interesting, but I think you should know that building a warship is different from building a commercial vessel. You cannot just hire a consultant or partner with a private shipyard who has not yet built a warship, like most of the local shipyards.

With this planned training of PN personnel at a military shipyard in Vietnam is a clear indication that the current government has a plan towards a self reliant PN. Contrary to your rant, I see this capability building, which has been neglected by past governments, as initial steps towards the realization of what you have been ranting about.
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Frenzy
Mar 29 2012, 09:19 AM
superman
Mar 29 2012, 09:00 AM
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Mar 29 2012, 08:42 AM
superman
Mar 29 2012, 08:26 AM

How come Vietnam's navy got knowledge in modern naval construction and we are not when in fact we have decent shipbuilding facilities here like Keppel, Aboitiz FBMA etc. I think we made our own patrol ship much earlier than they have but now we are about to learn from them, hahaha what happen guys! are you sleeping for centuries...

If you people care to remember, Vietnam is a communist state and in a communist state everything is owned by the state, including military shipyards - which in Vietnam's case are owned by the VPN, it's navy.

Keppel, Aboitiz, etc are world-class shipbuilders but these are private enterprises. The government cannot just go there, assume their facilities so it can build ships for the Navy.

Yes frenzy your are right what we have here is a world class shipbuilding, but it doesn't mean we can't tap them to assist us in building our own navy ship, There is a thing called joint venture or public private partnership of course they can't just use the facility but the thing it's already available here. If the Navy is really dead serious in building our own ship then they can hire a private individual or a consultant to design or whatever technicalities needed but I don't think they have balls to even start it, sabi nga puro hangin lang tayo o kaya puro drawing lang! Teka di ba mas madali and humingi kesa gumawa e di humingi nalang tayo sanay naman tayo sa ganun kita mo this year meron na ulit bagong hingi hehehe...peace!

Interesting, but I think you should know that building a warship is different from building a commercial vessel. You cannot just hire a consultant or partner with a private shipyard who has not yet built a warship, like most of the local shipyards.

With this planned training of PN personnel at a military shipyard in Vietnam is a clear indication that the current government has a plan towards a self reliant PN. Contrary to your rant, I see this capability building, which has been neglected by past governments, as initial steps towards the realization of what you have been ranting about.

Frenzy I won't debate with you I'm just expressing my opinion and this is my last piece for your thread, IMHO we are capable of building our own we already doned it in the past though there is some technical shortcomings I think , but it pains me to think that we are an island nation with so many talented and trained ship builders but we can't even built our own without foreign assistance? Vietnam is just starting it if we are to get some advance knowledge then get it thru known military shipbuilders that has no interest in the WPS zone. By the way I don't think commercial shipbuilders are not capable of building a warship who build Korean, Japanese, Australian warship isn't it their well known private companies?
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kulang lang talaga sa reading comprehension ang iba dito


from the article:
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The Philippine Navy (PN) plans to send a contingent of Filipino sailors to the Vietnam People's Navy (VPN)'s Naval Shipyard X46 for training on the art of modern warship construction.


kaya nga dun sa vietnam ipadala for training dahil walang shipyard dito na nakagawa ng modern warship

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PN personnel would gain more knowledge in refurbishing and repairing their naval vessels thus translating to saving as the PN would no longer rely on foreign and commercial dockyards for their maintenance.


kailangan pa ba i=explain to, i comprehend nyo di ba ang ibig sabihin ay mas mahal ang refurbishing at repairing sa commercial dockyards

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you hit it the bullseye superman. our government is just lazy period.


eto my ginagawa na nga..pangungunahan mo pa, who knows after this training something tangible will really happen

dapat ang tanong mo bakit di ito ginawa noon pa ng mga sinaunang administrasyon

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Yes frenzy your are right what we have here is a world class shipbuilding, but it doesn't mean we can't tap them to assist us in building our own navy ship, There is a thing called joint venture or public private partnership of course they can't just use the facility but the thing it's already available here.


this already happened with the LCT Tagbanua, who really knows that more indigenous projects are in the pipeline, but the Tagbanua was built by a private shipyard which is really not that difficult since the Tagbanua is essentially just a commercial vessel.

the gist of the article is the pn wants to upgrade the capabilities of its personnel and it cannot do this effectively if it partners with a commercial shipyard like keppel, e logical lang na when this opportunity for training at a friendly navy's shipyard who has built 500 tonner military vessels then by all means the pn should send its technical people there.
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Mar 29 2012, 08:26 AM
How come Vietnam's navy got knowledge in modern naval construction and we are not when in fact we have decent shipbuilding facilities here like Keppel, Aboitiz FBMA etc. I think we made our own patrol ship much earlier than they have but now we are about to learn from them, hahaha what happen guys! are you sleeping for centuries...

Our shipbuilding industry is for mostly commercial and merchant ships.
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Mar 29 2012, 09:53 AM

IMHO we are capable of building our own we already doned it in the past though there is some technical shortcomings I think , but it pains me to think that we are an island nation with so many talented and trained ship builders but we can't even built our own without foreign assistance? Vietnam is just starting it if we are to get some advance knowledge then get it thru known military shipbuilders that has no interest in the WPS zone. By the way I don't think commercial shipbuilders are not capable of building a warship who build Korean, Japanese, Australian warship isn't it their well known private companies?

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IMHO we are capable of building our own we already doned it in the past though there is some technical shortcomings I think


That's why we have to improve on this shortcomings, hence training is necessary.



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but it pains me to think that we are an island nation with so many talented and trained ship builders but we can't even built our own without foreign assistance?


The PN has its own people which it would like to train. What you are referring to are those working already in the private sector.

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Vietnam is just starting it if we are to get some advance knowledge then get it thru known military shipbuilders that has no interest in the WPS zone.

Vietnam has built a relatively modern military ship:
http://pdff.sytes.net/index.php?showtopic=9883

Why not learn from them when the opportunity is there to take advantage of.


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By the way I don't think commercial shipbuilders are not capable of building a warship who build Korean, Japanese, Australian warship isn't it their well known private companies?


We are referring to local shipyards, do you know of one that has built corvettes, frigates, destroyers, cruisers, etc?
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The historical Cavite Naval Shipyard should be revived and modernized for this purpose.
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Vietnam built a 1-million dollar warship.

It's a good thing we will be sending some of the PN boys there, maybe learn a few things how to build a warship that cheap. :armysmile:
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Mar 29 2012, 08:41 AM
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If our people are indeed to be trained, this means a shipyard in the phils. might be upgraded as well.

Who knows, maybe in the future we could build frigates, even destroyers of our own?

not just that but also carriers, LHDs, MRVs, and super carriers.
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