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British vs German vs French vs Korean vs Italian; 2nd-hand frigates/destroyers/corvettes
Topic Started: Feb 13 2012, 01:31 AM (16,223 Views)
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On the normal circumstances I would be concerned about its power plant. I know we have certain ships we've been eyeing on like the Italian ships such Maestrale/Soldati/Minervas and the Spanish Descubiertas. If we are able to get the Artiglieri and the couple of Minervas and the Descubiertas the next six months, then we may not be so anxious to get a COGAG equipped ships such as Type 22 batch 3, Sta. Maria/OHP.
I am not too concerned if they have those CMS ships used for confrontational. My worry is if they start using the Luda/Luhu destroyers for intimidation. We need a couple of Soldatis/Maestrales or how we wish we have those Type 22's or OHP's (if they can be purchased for a good price and transferable asap) to confront them which we don't. Situation like that, power plant becomes immaterial.
We don't want to call Obama in the middle of the night because 3 PLAN destroyers showed up in our backyard. Let us see how China behaves when we go to the next flashpoint - Bangko ni Recto.
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Santi Kampilan
Apr 27 2012, 02:43 AM
On the normal circumstances I would be concerned about its power plant. I know we have certain ships we've been eyeing on like the Italian ships such Maestrale/Soldati/Minervas and the Spanish Descubiertas. If we are able to get the Artiglieri and the couple of Minervas and the Descubiertas the next six months, then we may not be so anxious to get a COGAG equipped ships such as Type 22 batch 3, Sta. Maria/OHP.
I am not too concerned if they have those CMS ships used for confrontational. My worry is if they start using the Luda/Luhu destroyers for intimidation. We need a couple of Soldatis/Maestrales or how we wish we have those Type 22's or OHP's (if they can be purchased for a good price and transferable asap) to confront them which we don't. Situation like that, power plant becomes immaterial.
We don't want to call Obama in the middle of the night because 3 PLAN destroyers showed up in our backyard. Let us see how China behaves when we go to the next flashpoint - Bangko ni Recto.

It should be a concern as it will still take time for our PN to get use to this ships, I don't know why some is not aware that this is a very complex ships and you don't buy it and expect to be proficient on it overnight.. it will take months if not years to fully learn it and if we don't have the money to buy fuel then it will be for nothing.

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Apr 26 2012, 07:47 PM



:armysad:  aint that the truth damn govt saving cash are decommissioning and barely replacing if we keep this up we'll be selling the new daring class destroyers and astute subs.  they havent completed yet but it looks like the second queen elizabeth carrier hms prince of wales will go straight into the reserve

its a sad time for the former masters of the seas the Royal Navy  :headbang:

Survak, ain't that a bummer? I can see the demise of the Royal Navy inspite of the up coming QE carriers. Actually, I've read that they are thinking twice why they have ordered two carriers.

I'm surprised though that it has been a year now and no one have picked up not one Type 22 in spite of its young age. It must be so impractical to keep or upgrade 'em.

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Apr 27 2012, 02:58 AM

Survak, ain't that a bummer? I can see the demise of the Royal Navy inspite of the up coming QE carriers. Actually, I've read that they are thinking twice why they have ordered two carriers.

I'm surprised though that it has been a year now and no one have picked up not one Type 22 in spite of its young age. It must be so impractical to keep  or upgrade 'em.

current plan for the QE2 class is both will be completed the prince of wales going straight into mothballs the other shared between us and the french :headbang: of all people the french :armytwisted:

they decided to change the deck config from ski ramp to flat deck after they dumped the harriers then decided the cost to change would be way too high now we'll use the new vtols coming in in the states

one of our 3 invincibles is still in service as helicopter carrier the other 2 are up for sale one of them would help if you govt could afford operating harriers, we sure pissed argentina off with them

the type 22 and 23 its the lack of cash thats killed them we have a class of advanced destroyers and subs taking a lot of cash and the govt has made drastic cuts in all spending so we can clear the debt so no room for many ships planes and troops well as long as we keep the gurkha and sas
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Maubanin70
Apr 27 2012, 02:52 AM
Santi Kampilan
Apr 27 2012, 02:43 AM
On the normal circumstances I would be concerned about its power plant. I know we have certain ships we've been eyeing on  like the Italian ships such Maestrale/Soldati/Minervas and the Spanish Descubiertas. If we are able to get the Artiglieri and the couple of Minervas and the Descubiertas the next six months, then we may not be so anxious to get a COGAG equipped ships such as Type 22 batch 3, Sta. Maria/OHP.
I am not too concerned if they have those CMS ships used for confrontational. My worry is if they start using the Luda/Luhu destroyers for intimidation. We need a couple of Soldatis/Maestrales or how we wish we have those Type 22's or OHP's (if they can be purchased for a good price and transferable asap) to confront them which we don't. Situation like that, power plant becomes immaterial.
We don't want to call Obama in the middle of the night because 3 PLAN destroyers showed up in our backyard. Let us see how China behaves when we go to the next flashpoint - Bangko ni Recto.

It should be a concern as it will still take time for our PN to get use to this ships, I don't know why some is not aware that this is a very complex ships and you don't buy it and expect to be proficient on it overnight.. it will take months if not years to fully learn it and if we don't have the money to buy fuel then it will be for nothing.


True. I agree with you. The biggest hindrance is time and money. I am not discounting that fact. But if I am given the opportunity to buy the best available assets to accomplish my goal given my current situation, I have the resources available right now and those to be procured are available, I would do it now even if it will take me 6 months to a year to be proficient. Time is of the essence. That is all I'm saying. Just imagine the Maestrale is available on December 2013 and by the time we can be proficient with its capabilities a couple of years have passed. We need to act now! MVP is so anxious to drill this year and that could be a bigger flash point.

Resolve. If we equate ourselves with Vietnam who is practically almost the same predicament as us except that they have lesser money but had more resolve and up graded themselves faster than us, we won't get bullied by China this easily. Things will further raise them up to a different level once those 6 Kilo's start coming in. I know they don't have MDT but they try to do what they have to do. It is survival.

I am so happy that we have Pnoy as our leader. He tries in spite of the difficulties he faces such as corruption, Congress, limited budget, wrongs of the past leaderships, etc.
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Apr 27 2012, 03:33 AM
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Apr 27 2012, 02:58 AM

Survak, ain't that a bummer? I can see the demise of the Royal Navy inspite of the up coming QE carriers. Actually, I've read that they are thinking twice why they have ordered two carriers.

I'm surprised though that it has been a year now and no one have picked up not one Type 22 in spite of its young age. It must be so impractical to keep  or upgrade 'em.

current plan for the QE2 class is both will be completed the prince of wales going straight into mothballs the other shared between us and the french :headbang: of all people the french :armytwisted:

they decided to change the deck config from ski ramp to flat deck after they dumped the harriers then decided the cost to change would be way too high now we'll use the new vtols coming in in the states

one of our 3 invincibles is still in service as helicopter carrier the other 2 are up for sale one of them would help if you govt could afford operating harriers, we sure pissed argentina off with them

the type 22 and 23 its the lack of cash thats killed them we have a class of advanced destroyers and subs taking a lot of cash and the govt has made drastic cuts in all spending so we can clear the debt so no room for many ships planes and troops well as long as we keep the gurkha and sas

Wow! Straight to the mothballs (Prince of Wales)!
But I heard that they were having problems with the steam catapults also. Maybe they can ask the CHICOMS if they have figured out the Ukrainian catapult for their ex-Varyag (just kidding).
Just imagine, billion pound machine patrolling the Falklands. Why didn't they just kept the type 22's and have them alternate them back and forth. They still had a lot of life left in them. Maybe just upgrade the Seawolf system is all whats needed until it is too old. The Italians are extending some of the Maestrale frigates to save some bucks.
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the daring class carries the replacement for the seawolfs and I think the nameship of the class is operating off the falklands much to the disgust of the argentines who are calling it provacative well their our islands and all british citizens so tough
once again as for the philippines and spratly its oil and fishing that the others wamt

the catapault was the problem with the new deck config so they went back to the ski ramps and running the type 22 and 23's they wanted to save cash and dropping ships and rattings saves cash
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Survak,


Why not stick with the steam catapult that the Charles de Gaulle is using? For only one or two carriers, you should buy stuff off the shelf so as to lower costs.
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Why is the American 2nd-hand frigates/destroyers/corvettes not included?
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Apr 27 2012, 10:20 AM
Survak,


Why not stick with the steam catapult that the Charles de Gaulle is using? For only one or two carriers, you should buy stuff off the shelf so as to lower costs.

I don't think its the cost of of the catapult and arrester system but also the redesign of the 2 ships already in production

the new equipment would also take up additional space between decks and require extra crew for deck operations
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