| Welcome to Philippines Defense Forces Forum. We hope you enjoy your visit. You're currently viewing our forum as a guest. This means you are limited to certain areas of the board and there are some features you can't use. If you join our community, you'll be able to access member-only sections, and use many member-only features such as customizing your profile, sending personal messages, and voting in polls. Registration is simple, fast, and completely free. Join our community! If you're already a member please log in to your account to access all of our features: |
| Military actions after the Basilan incident | |
|---|---|
| Tweet Topic Started: Oct 30 2011, 06:46 PM (2,146 Views) | |
| flipzi | Nov 2 2011, 09:59 PM Post #21 |
R-A-T-S
|
http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?artic...ubCategoryId=63
I can understand why some will go against this. but if we are to ponder at the purpose of the peace process, i would at least let the peace mechanism give its say on this. let's let the panel determine if the attack by Asnawi's men were indeed a violation of the agreement or not. if he is guilty, he must be surrendered or hunted down even if he hides in any MILF encampment. if he is not, then let the incident be a lesson to the Marines and AFP.
the government will not check if the criminal is a friend of any MILF member. the criminal must be hunted down even if that person takes cover between the legs of his MILF friend.
the AFP is the government. it will face court martial or even any qualified court of justice when any soldiers commits a crime. the AFP will bring that person to the court by persuasion or by force. that person may even be shot if he resist arrest. the MILF on the other hand, has to surrender its men to stand trial in the same court of justice. if that person resist arrest, then just like the soldiers or civilians who resists arrest, that person will risk getting shot by the law enforcers or the military.
Asnawi was guilty of murder because he attacked the Marines even if the latter were not attacking an MILF group. the ASG might have been the ones who beheaded the Marines, but since he was in command and he allowed the ASG to commit the beheadings, he under the line of "command responsibility" and being the accomplish, is guilty of the brutal act as well. then again, all these angles must be discussed by the panel to really find out who started what and who is liable for what. |
 " Sovereignty resides in the people and all government authority emanates from them! - Art. II Sec 1, Philippine Constitution " " People don't care what we know until they know we care. " getflipzi@yahoo.com | |
 |
 
|
| flipzi | Nov 2 2011, 10:30 PM Post #22 |
|
R-A-T-S
|
http://www.mb.com.ph/articles/339798/gph-m...ay-kuala-lumpur
that's one good move to show sincerity to the peace process. as for the AFP, respect the rights of your captives
:thumb:
we cannot depend on this because we havent heard any solid proof that they indeed punished any of their men who committed crimes against the soldiers and the civilians. if the MILF member is found guilty, they better turn over the rebel to the PNP or AFP. otherwise they can show evidence of the punishment. video footage or turning over the body may be sufficient. |
|
" Sovereignty resides in the people and all government authority emanates from them! - Art. II Sec 1, Philippine Constitution " " People don't care what we know until they know we care. " getflipzi@yahoo.com | |
|
|
|
| flipzi | Nov 3 2011, 09:15 PM Post #23 |
|
R-A-T-S
|
ATS ng MILF sa Basilan, papasukin na ng militar 11/03/2011 | 07:33 PM GMANews [dohtml]<iframe src="http://www.gmanews.tv/evideo/97556/24oras-ats-ng-milf-sa-basilan-papasukin-na-ng-militar" frameborder="0" style="width:480px; height:400px; display:block; background: black;" scrolling="no">This page requires a higher version browser</iframe><br /><a href="http://www.gmanews.tv/">For the latest Philippine news stories and videos, visit GMANews.TV</a>[/dohtml] |
|
" Sovereignty resides in the people and all government authority emanates from them! - Art. II Sec 1, Philippine Constitution " " People don't care what we know until they know we care. " getflipzi@yahoo.com | |
|
|
|
| icefrog | Nov 3 2011, 09:22 PM Post #24 |
|
I hope they are well-prepared this time around. If they fail, PNoy will continue firing military officials and will keep on distributing funds to MILF and ABB. |
|
Sign up for the Philippines' first E-wallet via this referral and get PHP 24.00 as a gift credited to your account: https://coins.ph/invite/gphUpV | |
|
|
|
| flipzi | Nov 3 2011, 09:32 PM Post #25 |
|
R-A-T-S
|
Moro rebels vow to cooperate with gov't vs criminals abs-cbnNEWS.com Posted at 11/03/2011 8:35 PM | Updated as of 11/03/2011 8:35 PM MANILA, Philippines - The Moro Islamic Liberation Front (MILF) has promised to cooperate with the government in the latter's campaign against criminals in Mindanao, government peace panel chair Marvic Leonen said Thursday. Leonen issued the statement following an informal executive meeting between government and MILF officials in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia. "Today's meeting was a candid exchange where both sides cleared the air about pressing issues regarding the negotiations. We leveled off more on each other's concepts and identified our common grounds as well as our differences," he said. He added that the 2 sides "agreed to move forward on the substantive agenda and meet again very soon." "The MILF reaffirmed that it will cooperate with government with respect to its efforts to interdict kidnap-for-ransom groups, criminal syndicates, and 'lost commands' pursuant to the Joint Communique and Implementing Guidelines of the AHJAG [Ad Hoc Joint Action Group]," Leonen said. He said the two panels discussed recent incidents of violence in the southern Philippines, particularly in Al Barka, Basilan, where 19 soldiers and 5 MILF fighters were killed. "We agreed that investigations through the ceasefire mechanisms shall continue to be conducted. These include those to be done by the International Monitoring Team (IMT) in coordination with the JCCCH and the Ad Hoc Joint Action Group (AHJAG). We will await recommendations relating to the review of ceasefire mechanisms that may result from these investigations," Leonen said. http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/nation/11/03/11...vt-vs-criminals looks better :thumb: |
|
" Sovereignty resides in the people and all government authority emanates from them! - Art. II Sec 1, Philippine Constitution " " People don't care what we know until they know we care. " getflipzi@yahoo.com | |
|
|
|
| matrix | Nov 4 2011, 01:18 AM Post #26 |
Member
  ![]](http://z1.ifrm.com/static/1/pip_r.png)
|
Troops recover ammo intended for MILF THURSDAY, 03 NOVEMBER 2011 20:26 ZAFF SOLMERIN / CORRESPONDENT GOVERNMENT troops recovered on Wednesday some 200 rounds of caliber .50 ammunition allegedly intended for the Moro Islamic Liberation Front (MILF) at a checkpoint in Sitio Berwar, Barangay Tatayawan, Tamparan, Lanao del Sur. Col. Daniel Lucero, commander of the Army’s 103rd Infantry Brigade, said the caliber .50 ammunition were recovered from a multi-cab vehicle bearing license plate MDY-479 at about 8:50 p.m. by soldiers from Bravo Company of the 65th Infantry Battalion. The vehicle was driven by 26-year-old Alexander Bangita Macalnas, a resident of Barangay Maranao Timber Dalama, Ditsaan Ramain in the said province. Macalnas has been turned over to the police and is being detained pending the filing of charges against him. “The soldiers saw in plain view the ammunition stuffed in a carton when stopped at the checkpoint. The driver did not resist arrest,” Lucero said. Further investigation revealed that the ammunition came from a certain Canasur Mangaran, a security guard assigned at the governor’s residence of the Autonomous Region in Muslim Mindanao (ARMM). The ammunition should have been delivered in Butig town where Camp Palestine, the second largest camp of the MILF was located. Heavy machineguns as well as some sniper rifles use caliber .50 ammunition. http://www.businessmirror.com.ph/home/nati...tended-for-milf |
|
|
|
| flipzi | Nov 4 2011, 08:50 AM Post #27 |
|
R-A-T-S
|
Firing military officials for not doing their job is a good practice to help refine the system. But no more funds to rebels unless the project is directly implemented and managed by the govt like building livelihood centers and the training facility. |
|
" Sovereignty resides in the people and all government authority emanates from them! - Art. II Sec 1, Philippine Constitution " " People don't care what we know until they know we care. " getflipzi@yahoo.com | |
|
|
|
| flipzi | Nov 4 2011, 07:48 PM Post #28 |
|
R-A-T-S
|
a CHR report said that Asnawi was involved in kidnapping and extortion. if this is indeed true, then he must be hunted down. |
|
" Sovereignty resides in the people and all government authority emanates from them! - Art. II Sec 1, Philippine Constitution " " People don't care what we know until they know we care. " getflipzi@yahoo.com | |
|
|
|
| flipzi | Nov 5 2011, 10:19 AM Post #29 |
|
R-A-T-S
|
No more ATS – AFP By ELENA L. ABEN November 4, 2011, 7:27pm MANILA, Philippines — The Area of Temporary Stay (ATS), being claimed by the Moro Islamic Liberation Front (MILF), no longer exists. This was stressed Friday by Army chief Lt. Gen. Arturo B. Ortiz, one week before his retirement. Ortiz instructed troops in Basilan to continue pursuit operations, especially against the lawless elements behind the murder of 19 soldiers in Al-Barka, saying that technically the ATS no longer exists. Interviewed at the Army General Hospital (AGH) in Fort Bonifacio, Ortiz told reporters that consistent with the pronouncement of President Benigno S. Aquino III, “We will continue seeking justice for our fallen comrades.” Ortiz explained that the ATS was established in 2007 as a result of the encounter in Basilan that resulted in the death of 14 Marines, 10 of whom were beheaded. “So, with the pursuit operations that followed (in 2007) the ATS was designated for members of the MILF to prevent misencounters with government forces pursuing criminal elements during that time,” the Army chief stated. “So, after termination of the (2007) operations, dapat na-terminate na din ang ATS. So technically wala nang ATS,” he added. Soliman M. Santos Jr., consultant of former Armed Force Chief of Staff retired Gen. Hermogenes Esperon Jr., confirmed Ortiz’s statement on the ATS. Santos said that the ATS in Al-Barka – located in Barangay Guinanta – ceased to exist after the pursuit operations against the Abu Sayyaf who beheaded the Marine soldiers in 2007. He said the Guinanta ATS is said to be the last. Because of this, Ortiz said pursuit operations against those involved in the October 18 murder of 19 Army troopers on Al-Barka will continue, as he emphasized “kahit saan sila matagpuan at madatnan ng ating operating troops we are mandated to implement the law.” The Army chief was specifically referring to the group of Dan Laksaw Asnawi, deputy commander of the MILF’s 114th Base Command; and Abu Sayyaf leader Long Malat, who were implicated in the bloodbath in Al-Barka. “Kung nasa loob sila ng MILF (territory)… we are appealing to them (MILF) to surrender these (lawless elements). Otherwise, if we find these people sa camp nila, we will implement the law to capture and to neutralize these criminal elements,” Ortiz said. He, however, said the military will continue to observe the peace process. The military will still follow the procedure of making coordinations through the Coordinating Committees on Cessation of Hostilities (CCCH). “Sa procedure ipapaalam thru our CCCH but technically wala ng ATS as far as Al-Barka (is concerned) so kanino magpapaalam? Kung wala na ang ATS, sa akin tugisin kung saan sila makita, tuloy ang pursuit operations,” Ortiz further stated, adding he is not aware of a legitimate MILF camp in Basilan. “I’m not aware kung saan ang location ng MILF camp (in Basilan), siguro MILF community,” Ortiz said, as he pointed out that a camp is different from an ATS. “ATS is for temporary stay, for short duration for a particular operation, so dapat wala na yun whereas in the case of a camp, there is a semblance of permanency,” said Ortiz. Based on a document obtained from the Armed Forces of the Philippines (AFP), there is no longer any existing “MILF Area of Temporary Stay (ATS) in the conflict affected areas in Mindanao (CAAM).” According to the document, the ATS was established during the arrival of the Malaysian survey team led by Gen. Sulkefli in October, 2004 an area designated by both parties where the MILF meets with the Malaysian survey team. Another MILF ATS was established in August, 2006 at Barangay Gawang, Datu Saudi Ampatuan, Maguindanao during the conduct of the 6th Infantry Division's (6ID) “"Oplan Tornado, a campaign against the Al Qaeda-linked Abu Sayyaf Group (ASG), Jemaah Islamiyah (JI), and Rajah Sulayman Movement in Central Mindanao. The MILF ATS was also established in Guinanta, Al-Barkah, Basilan, during the operations of 1st Marine Brigade after the July, 2007 encounter that led to the killing of 14 Marines. http://www.mb.com.ph/articles/340109/no-more-ats-afp |
|
" Sovereignty resides in the people and all government authority emanates from them! - Art. II Sec 1, Philippine Constitution " " People don't care what we know until they know we care. " getflipzi@yahoo.com | |
|
|
|
| matrix | Feb 29 2012, 03:55 AM Post #30 |
|
Member
|
US drones circle over the Philippines By Jacob Zenn A United States-supported airstrike that destroyed with causalities an Abu Sayyaf hideout on the remote island of Jolo in the southern Philippines represented the first known use of the unmanned aerial assault craft in the Armed Forces of the Philippines (AFP) counter-insurgency operations against terrorism-linked rebel groups. The drone attack early this month reportedly killed 15 Abu Sayyaf and Jemaah Islamiyah operatives, including three most-wanted terrorist leaders - Zulkifli bin Hir (alias Marwan), Gumbahali Jumdail (alias Doc Abu), and Mumanda Ali (alias Muawayah) - and raised the level of US-Philippine military cooperation. Marwan was the most wanted foreign terrorist in the Philippines, with the US State Department offering a US$5 million reward for information leading to his capture. A Malaysian national, he was formerly a member of the Indonesia-based JI's central command, known as the markaziyah, and a founder of the Kumpulan Mujahidin Malaysia, an organization comprised mostly of former Soviet-era Afghan mujahideen who advocated for the overthrow of then Malaysian prime minister Mahathir Mohammed's government and the creation of an Islamic State. In 2002, Marwan fled from Malaysia to Indonesia, where he reportedly conspired in the October 12, 2002, bombings on the resort island of Bali with the help of his older brother, Rahmat, who reportedly provided him with radios and cash used in carrying out the attack. In August 2003, Marwan fled to the southern Philippine island of Mindanao, where he received the protection of Abu Sayyaf and the rebel Moro Islamic Liberation Front (MILF). Since then, he was based in southern Mindanao training Abu Sayyaf members in explosives, according to news reports. Muawayah was a Singaporean military officer of Indian descent who also allegedly participated in the 2002 Bali bombing and had a $50,000 reward for his arrest offered by the US. Like Umar Patek, the JI operative who was captured in Pakistan half a year before Osama Bin Laden's assassination, Marwan and Muawayah are known to have maintained contacts with Al Qaeda cells operating in Asia and the Middle East while they trained local fighters in the jungles of southern Mindanao. Doc Abu, a member of Mindanao's Tausug ethnic group, was one of Abu Sayyaf's most senior figures and had outstanding warrants for his arrest for 21 counts of kidnapping, including in Sipadan, Malaysia in 2000 and at the Dos Palmas resort in Palawan, Philippines in 2001. His alias, Doc Abu, was derived from the time he spent as a medic for the rebel Moro National Liberation Front (MNLF) until it signed a 1996 peace pact with the government. After 1996, he joined Abu Sayyaf and emerged as one of its commanders. The trio's precise location was uncovered when local villagers reported their presence to the Philippine military. The villagers may have been part of a known AFP program in Mindanao where locals are hired to work undercover to track down Abu Sayyaf and JI militants. Aware that Jumdail has previously portrayed himself as a doctor when hiding out in local villages, they traveled to the village where Doc Abu was staying and pretended to seek medical treatment. The villagers then left a sensor at his hideout that was used to pinpoint the coordinates for the aerial attack. Tracking Doc Abu, Marwan, and Muawayah was also made possible by months of AFP intelligence gathering, which in a separate air strike on October 2011 killed Marwan's aide, Madarang Sali, and three other Abu Sayyaf fighters. Marwan and Muawayah managed to escape the earlier assault, which is believed to have been launched by a Filipino manned assault craft. Help from above The aerial strike was significant not only because it killed three top JI and Abu Sayyaf leaders but also because it underscored the effectiveness of the AFP's adoption of drones in its battle against Mindanao-based terror groups. The AFP has traditionally relied on ground operations against terror groups, exercises that retired Lt Gen Benjamin Dolorfino recently referred to as "counter-productive" because they "cause locals to have negative perceptions of the military". As history has shown, ground operations carry the risk of ambush and massive displacement of civilian populations. Most recently, on October 18, 2011, 100 MILF fighters reinforced Abu Sayyaf operatives in a battle where 13 AFP special force troops were killed. In contrast to previous years, where the AFP's counter-insurgency operations have often alienated local villagers, advocates of the drone strike on Doc Abu, Marwan, and Muawayah note that it was facilitated through the assistance and cooperation of local villagers. The airstrike, which was reported to have been US-led and launched by a drone that tracked the sensor planted at the Abu Sayyaf hideout, has however raised political hackles in Manila. One Philippine representative, Luz Ilagan, has called for the abrogation of the US Visiting Forces Agreement and an end to US military intervention in national affairs in the wake the attack. That agreement bans the US, the Philippines' former colonial ruler, from establishing permanent military bases in the country. Ilagan has since called for a probe into what she referred to as the "extensive and intensive intrusion of the US military in AFP operations". She also said, "If these reports are true, then US troops are participating in and conducting operations beyond what is allowed in the Visiting Forces Agreement and directly transgressing our sovereignty. More importantly, their participation in these operations is a potential magnet for the Philippines' participation in a brewing US-instigated regional conflict." Underscoring the still strong nationalist sentiment against US troops being stationed on Philippine soil, Ilagan's opposition to US involvement in the fight against Abu Sayyaf comes despite the fact that she is a former victim of the group's terror tactics. She was wounded in the November 2007 bombing of the National Assembly in Quezon City, which killed one of Ilagan's staff members, her driver and a fellow congressional representative. The Philippines National Police claimed that Abu Sayyaf was responsible for the bombing, though that interpretation has since been contested. Certain congressional representatives believe that the country's security forces exploit the Abu Sayyaf for their own purposes - in this case to boost military ties with the US in a wider bid to counterbalance China - at the expense of national sovereignty. Despite Ilagan's and other nationalist group protests, the US has already announced plans to increase its fleet of unmanned drones by 30% in the Philippines. As in Somalia and other conflict zones, drones will reportedly be deployed to help the US and AFP locate kidnapping victims, such as Warren Rodwell, an Australian national who has been held by Abu Sayyaf since December 2011, thus extending the unmanned vehicle's use beyond targeted assassinations towards search and rescue-type missions. Jacob Zenn is a lawyer and international security analyst based in Washington DC. He writes regularly on Central Asia, Southeast Asia and Nigeria and runs an open-source research, translation, and due diligence team through http://zopensource.net/. He can be reached at jacobzenn@gmail.com. http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Southeast_Asia/NB29Ae01.html |
|
|
|
| 1 user reading this topic (1 Guest and 0 Anonymous) | |
|
|
| « Previous Topic · General Military and Law Enforcement · Next Topic » |
2:48 PM Jul 13