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| Mckoyzzz | Oct 23 2011, 01:39 PM Post #31 |
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Hahaha.. parang kilalang kilala si Gen. Bukbok.. yung laging walang dalang lighter or posporo.. hehe |
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| paratorpe | Oct 23 2011, 03:14 PM Post #32 |
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Modernization should prioritize: Patrol Ships with air/sub/ship detection, fast & lightly armed for Navy. Surface Attack Aircraft with anti ship/sub attack capability for Airforce. SAM with Radars, Close AA battery capable of shooting ground targets too for Army. This triangle defense will work together and protect us from external threats. | |
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| tendatu | Oct 23 2011, 03:41 PM Post #33 |
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Seriously, I didnt know who is Gen. Bukbok. Sir Mckoyzzz can you PM me who that person sir. ? |
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| Mckoyzzz | Oct 23 2011, 04:08 PM Post #34 |
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Yet another attack...
http://www.gmanews.tv/story/236301/regions...GMANewsFacebook |
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| AVBsupersonic | Oct 23 2011, 05:01 PM Post #35 |
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Nice one Sir Flipsi!  The only way for P.Noy to win this war within is to unite with the "Right Opposition" it will be also for the good of the Country and it's people in order for the Country to move on... What better way to stop and foil General bukbok's and lady friend's plan of destabilizing the Govt. and the Country's economy is by giving them their worst nightmare, someone who's intelligent enough and has the knowledge and guts to play hardball, that even their Regional power friends or even the Grim reaper organization and it's bloodlines who's work is to destabilize World Peace and instil fear to the World will have difficulty in dealing with this kind of a leader. "Takot si Gen. Bukbok at Lady friend dito, dahil basa nito ang diskarte nila! Malaki ang atraso ni Gen. dito at tiyak sira ang diskarte nila!" Their (P.Noy and R. Opposition) unity will mark the real changes for the best of our Country and it's people, we all need to move on in order to fully grow and achieve our goal... Some kind of a Coalition to succession for a successful growth. Thinking of what's best for the Country and it's people should be the main focus and not what's best for my personal gain in general. 
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| spearhead | Oct 23 2011, 07:54 PM Post #36 |
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GENERAL BUKBOK: F.V.R. LADY SUCCESSOR: GMA FVR is a stupid -----, one traitor need to be shot in the head. I wonder who's gonna put a bullet on his head? The joke is actually a half truth atleast. The latest style in modern philippine military mutiny is to quit your post as a military officer. This way you can go underground and organized your rebel team then fight the government without endangering your previous career. If you win, you are lucky as you can still be reinstated back to your old post. However if you got caught, or lose your fight then its your huge loss and embarassment. |
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| Hitman | Oct 23 2011, 11:48 PM Post #37 |
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surgical strikes will be the best right now. since it looks like the moro rebels basically control the terrain now and mastered it. surgical strikes will lessen our casaulties. the army also need more armor. they should revive the MX 8 Barako and just make modifications and improvements. its cheaper this way. test missions should be banned. this is a waste of our young recruits imagine after tax payers spending money for their 6 months training then they die, thats waste of money and life. |
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| mazingu | Oct 24 2011, 10:54 AM Post #38 |
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Interesting to note that most of personalities who call for all-out war have no experience in actual combat. Erap likes to crow about his all-out war versus the MILF but contrary to what most of you here believe it wasn't that successful. Yes, the AFP did drive the MILF fighters out of their camps. But did they kill most of the fighters? Nope, most of them just abandoned the camps and returned to their homes bringing their weapons with them. Did the AFP kill or capture the MILF political and military leadership? Nope, Murad et al got away unscathed. To be called a success, an all-out war against the MILF should result in the following: Total or near decimation of the fighter cadre and total decapitation of the MILF political and military leadership. This is how Sri Lanka won its all-out war against the Tamil Tigers. The Sri Lankan military decimated the LTTE fighters and killed its leader Velupillai Prabhakaran. Not like Erap who declared victory after the 46 camps were cleared of the MILF fighters, who as we all know by now, just regrouped to fight another day. |
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| paratorpe | Oct 24 2011, 11:43 AM Post #39 |
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The battle here is the modernization. I dont want them to go to war with the same old system and weapons. |
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Modernization should prioritize: Patrol Ships with air/sub/ship detection, fast & lightly armed for Navy. Surface Attack Aircraft with anti ship/sub attack capability for Airforce. SAM with Radars, Close AA battery capable of shooting ground targets too for Army. This triangle defense will work together and protect us from external threats. | |
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| Numbers | Oct 24 2011, 05:55 PM Post #40 |
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Your war, our fatal assumptions PUBLISHED ON OCT 23, 2011 By GLENDA M. GLORIA MANILA, Philippines — You gather poor intelligence, act on your own, deploy your trainees to a treacherous terrain infamous for eating troops alive, make a bad call, and in the end get fatal results. The mob cries for blood. They choose to blame policy and context, rather than confront the real issues that led to this mayhem. If this happened in the past, under presidents who pandered to you either to arm their egos or protect their turfs, you know very well how this would have played out. They would have glossed over the damning details. They would have refused to ask you the hard questions. They would have simply nodded and shared your grief as you explained your incompetence away. And they would have issued you outright cash to run after these bastards. You’re used to this. We’d gotten you used to this. With or without peace talks, you’d brought your troops, like sheep, to the slaughter. Or have the people forgotten? Name the place–Basilan, Sulu, Cotabato, Maguindanao–you’d committed a number of fatal errors in the last two decades that would have wiped out your chain of command, if only the system allowed a no-nonsense investigation into any of these. But grief is a great deodorizer. And as it turns out, it is also a painful nurturer of the status quo. Remember when Basilan used to be a battlefield, not between your troops and bandits but between your own? Remember when the impoverished island had to put up with the squabbles between your Rangers and your Marines and the terror imposed by the Abu Sayyaf? Remember that fatal, day-long gunfight with kidnappers nearly a decade ago, that cost the lives of young officers and men because your commanders from Manila micromanaged the situation? Of course, an ousted macho president keeps his own bank of memories. He boasts that it was his all-out war policy that wiped out the MILF from Camp Abubakar. Well, yes. It used to be that you knew exactly where they were; now they’re scattered all over the place. What happened to all these hard lessons, if indeed you took them as such? Nothing. Nothing, because the society and the leaders that you serve choose the easy way out when things like this happen. They blame the big, bad, duplicitous Muslim rebels, or describe your sacrifices as an “isolated incident.” Or they choose to blame a process that has been set up precisely because you could not singlehandedly win this war–or any war for that matter. You, of all people, know that. Let’s look at the basic published facts here. Your troops were on a test mission, “seize and withdraw,” as a spokesman explained it. They were on advanced training as members of an elite unit. Most of them had not been to Basilan before. Their mission? To “locate/arrest/neutralize” a rebel commander charged with kidnapping. They had options before going for the kill: get the police to lead the way (after all, you could not arrest without a warrant), inform the joint ceasefire committee that they were about to do this, and coordinate with (or at the very least inform) Army ground commanders and staff officers in Basilan and Zamboanga, the main headquarters, in case things didn’t turn out as planned. Did they do any of these? Apparently not, and your Inspector General is now trying to dig deeper. On Friday, your commander-in-chief sat down with you with a grim face. And to your shock and disappointment, he expressed disappointment instead of sympathy. And to my shock — having seen you master this power game with your civilian bosses for the longest time — he told you what you didn’t want to hear: you need to step up, you need to tweak how you do things, and you need to be put in your place, that you’re here to heed policy, not craft it. I’m not exactly a fan, but I must say that took some guts. Could be genetic; his mother always kept a healthy distance from her troops. Could be because of his KKKs (Kaibigan…you know the rest), some of whom had seen you wield power without civilian oversight. Or it could simply be because he’s pissed. After all, it wasn’t too long ago when communist guerrillas attacked a huge mining site right at your doorstep. (What’s with your training program, anyway? In Surigao del Norte, the battalion assigned to secure the area was training somewhere else when the NPAs attacked a nickel mining company there. In Basilan, the troops were on training when they attacked a camp. Whew.) Or it could also be because he was simply trying to save face. After all, it wasn’t too long ago when he shook hands with the rebels’ boss in Tokyo even before a peace agreement could be signed with them. Whatever his reasons, he made the right call on this one. Nothing could be more fatal for an organization than to be sidetracked from its urgent needs: an honest-to-goodness review of how it draws up its tactics and plans and deploys its people; a strict monitoring of how it spends people’s money and uses its resources; and a much-delayed admission of how poorly trained its men are, how paralyzed headquarters thinking is, and how politicized and unprofessional decision-making had become within the chain. That’s the undefeated enemy. And nothing could be more fatal for a nation than to call for war as if it could still be won in the battlefield. – Move.PH Source |
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