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Topic Started: Oct 18 2011, 11:06 PM (9,601 Views)
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Oct 22 2011, 09:59 PM
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Ilang senior military officers ang nag-iisip na umanong magbitiw ngayon sa kanilang mga puwesto bilang protesta sa polisiya ng administrasyon sa CPP-NPA at MILF. Sinasabing masakit din ang kanilang loob lalo’t tila kinampihan pa ng pangulo ang MILF sa command conference kahapon.
PNoy was right when he shelved the cancellation of the peace talk.
It's the better path.
Yung mga seniors na gustong mag-resign ay gawin na nila para makapasok yung fresher breed.
Hoping mas okay yung fresher breed na ito on the wisdom of fighting this war.
Tsaka these generals should REMEMBER THAT THE CIVILIAN GOVT. KNOWS BETTER ON THE WHOLE ASPECT OF THE CASE.
MADALI MAG-GERA.
PERO MAHIRAP YUNG MAGBALANSE NUNG EPEKTO NITO SA KABUUAN.
Remember, that the military must follow the order and not simply do what the President does.
They can suggest.
But to decide on the matter rests on the President's own analysis.
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Oct 22 2011, 10:50 PM
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MANILA, Philippines—President Benigno Aquino extended the nation’s gratitude to the fallen soldiers in the clash with Moro Islamic Liberation Front renegades last week, vowing that the state would “defend its citizens against all enemies in the territories under its control.”
He delivered a sharp warning to those coddling lawless elements pursued by government forces: “If you help those that are being hunted by the state, you will be counted among the enemies of the state, and you will be hunted down, too.”
In a late-night visit at the Libingan mga Bayani, on Friday, to pay his respects to 15 of the 19 slain Army men, the President pledged to their bereaved that the perpetrators in the Tuesday encounter in Al-Barka town in Basilan would be put to justice.
“I make no promises that this will be done tomorrow or the day after, in 24 hours or 48 hours. That’s not my style. But I guarantee that the state will hunt them down, and it will get them,” he said.
As for those who would like to meddle in the highly charged issue, he said, the state would not stand for it as well.
Aquino told the families of the slain Army soldiers that the nation was indebted to them for staying true to their sworn duty, and that they should be made to feel the people’s gratitude for the greatness of their deeds.
The President maintained his position against declaring an all-out war against the MILF, whose forces had owned up to a spate of recent other ambushes that killed at least seven more government troops.
“Our ceasefire with the MILF has been going on for a pretty long time. But for other groups, like the ASG (Abu Sayyaf Group), our operations continue… It would be better if the next operations were better-planned so we can demonstrate the full force of the state,” he said.
Aquino appealed for calm and sobriety, saying his government would not be cowed into making any hasty and irresponsible decisions while the peace talks with the MILF, which had been waging a decades-old campaign for Bangsamoro autonomy, continued progressing.
He said the claim that the MILF was also responsible for the ambushes in Zamboanga Sibugay remained speculation at this point. (Although the MILF had owned up the attacks, a military spokesperson said the site of the ambushes was not an MILF encampment.)
Source: http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/81273/aquino-...iers-in-basilan
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http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/80857/milf-ad...ps-in-3-attacks
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Retaliatory attacks
In Cotabato City, MILF spokesperson Von al Haq said the MILF rebels staged the series of ambushes in Zamboanga Sibugay because the military had been pounding rebel positions in Payao town since Saturday.
“That’s the consequences of their action. It’s retaliation, part of war. Soldiers have been indiscriminately pounding our position and civilian areas in Payao town,” Al Haq said in a phone interview.
However, the attacks on Alicia and Kabasalan, which were led by Alloy, a commander under the MILF’s 114th Base Command, was not coordinated with the MILF central committee, Al Haq said.
“The action of our men was not organizational. It means the order to attack did not come from the central committee. It was their decision,” he said.
Al Haq said the MILF’s ceasefire committee has been working with its government counterpart to defuse the tensions.
On Tuesday, 19 soldiers were killed in a clash with MILF rebels in Al-Barka, Basilan, while on a mission to arrest a local MILF commander, Dan Laksaw Asnawi.
The military had said Asnawi was a fugitive. Asnawi, who operates under the MILF’s 114th Base Command, was charged with involvement in the beheading and mutilation of Marine soldiers, also in Al-Barka, in 2007.
He was arrested but escaped from the Basilan provincial jail, along with more than two dozen inmates, in December 2009.
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Military air strikes
In Olutangga, Zamboanga Sibugay, parish priest Fr. Felmar Castrodes said he had been informed by villagers that the military had conducted air strikes against MILF forces in Payao town on Friday.
He said the air strikes started 4 p.m. Friday and were reported to him by residents of the villages bordering Payao and Olutangga towns.
“They feared that the violence would spread to their town,” he said in a text message.
The report could not immediately be verified. The military spokesperson based in Zamboanga City could not be reached for comment.
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Military air strikes
In Olutangga, Zamboanga Sibugay, parish priest Fr. Felmar Castrodes said he had been informed by villagers that the military had conducted air strikes against MILF forces in Payao town on Friday.
He said the air strikes started 4 p.m. Friday and were reported to him by residents of the villages bordering Payao and Olutangga towns.
“They feared that the violence would spread to their town,” he said in a text message.
The report could not immediately be verified. The military spokesperson based in Zamboanga City could not be reached for comment.
http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/81277/slain-s...-ready-to-fight
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Slain soldiers’ replacements sent to Zamboanga City, ready to fight Special Forces are young, newly trained and new to Basilan
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But military officials were unfazed.
Lieutenant Colonel Orlando Edralin, Special Forces Training Corps commandant, said the fresh graduates might be young but they had been properly trained.
“Aside from their Basic Military Training (BMT), they actually underwent Special Forces Orientation Course and some will be programmed for in-serving and cross trainings for their capability enhancement,” he said.
Edralin said if he had his way, he would have deployed the fresh soldiers immediately.
But then, he said, their actual trip to Basilan and to Zamboanga Sibugay would be decided on by the regiment commander.
Lieutenant Colonel Randolph Cabangbang, spokesperson of the Western Mindanao Command, said the military was not trying to avenge the deaths of the 19 soldiers. He said the fresh soldiers were being sent to Basilan and Zamboanga Sibugay under a “regular deployment” process.
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Meanwhile, President Benigno Aquino ordered the relief of another ranking military officer in Basilan in the wake of the Al-Barka incident. The Task Force Basilan commander, Colonel Alexander Macario, was sacked on Friday.
“I was expecting this because of command responsibility,” Macario told the Philippine Daily Inquirer.
Macario said he was not formally briefed when the Al-Barka operation was launched but he accepted responsibility for what happened to the 19 soldiers. “Since I am the island commander of Basilan, responsibility will definitely fall on me,” he said.
On October 19, Colonel Leonardo Peña, battalion commander of 4th Special Forces Battalion, was also sacked on orders of Philippine Army Commanding General Arturo Ortiz.
the expression of acceptance of the relief order by Col. Macario is a gentleman's act.
it will send the signal across the institution that they have a responsibility to work on and protect.
http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/81287/palace-...t-time%E2%80%99
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Valte said the administration understood that emotions have been running high because of the MILF’s attack on the members of the Special Forces that were in Al-Barka to serve a warrant of arrest against a Moro commander suspected of involvement in past war atrocities but added that decisions should be made with calm.
Told that the Filipino people—President Aquino’s boss—want the military to go after the MILF, Valte said, “Let us just reiterate, the human cost of war will be too great. That’s what the President said yesterday.”
“We understand, believe us, we understand the views and sentiments. We are also part of the nation, we’re not different from you, but as the President said, we have to think when we are calm so that we can lay down our plans because we can’t be reckless ,” Valte said.
“Because if we do that there would be more lives that will be lost. Even if emotions are running high, we have to be calm when we take our next steps,” she added.
http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/81159/army-spokesman-relieved
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Parlade, a member of the Philippine Military Academy (PMA) Class of 1987, maintained that his call for the resumption of hostilities with the rebels in Basilan was shared by his peers and colleagues in the Army.
“I’m happy knowing our soldiers’ voice and sentiments were heard,” Parlade said. “We are not politicians, we are soldiers. Professional soldiers.”
Cabunoc acknowledged that some Army members might share Parlade’s views but stressed this was not true for the entire organization.
“Of course the prevailing sentiment (in the Army) is anger and sadness… There are officers who agree with him, and there are officers who don’t. If you asked one platoon, they would give different answers,” he said.
“But it’s not the position of the whole Army,” said Cabunoc, a member of the PMA Class of 1994.
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Oct 23 2011, 12:51 AM
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Yep, the government will not order an all-out-war, but will conduct some airstrikes here and there..
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Military air strikes
In Olutangga, Zamboanga Sibugay, parish priest Fr. Felmar Castrodes said he had been informed by villagers that the military had conducted air strikes against MILF forces in Payao town on Friday.
He said the air strikes started 4 p.m. Friday and were reported to him by residents of the villages bordering Payao and Olutangga towns.
“They feared that the violence would spread to their town,” he said in a text message.
The report could not immediately be verified. The military spokesperson based in Zamboanga City could not be reached for comment.
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Oct 23 2011, 01:06 AM
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an answer to the 2 other attacks after the Basilan massacre.
MILF claims the attack were not orders from the central committee.
let the 2 handle it anyway.
selective strikes are needed to contain it and it's ok as long as it's not an all-out war.
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Oct 23 2011, 01:22 AM
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The July 2007 incident
The International Crisis Group (ICG), an independent and non-profit think-tank committed to preventing and resolving deadly conflicts worldwide, described the cause of the killings in 2007 as a lack of coordination between the military and the MILF in the rescue of kidnapped Italian priest Giancarlo Bossi.
The ICG said MILF forces helping in the search for Bossi had already stood down before the incident, expressing concern that a mistaken encounter might occur in the absence of a clear Ad Hoc Joint Action Group (AHJAG) mandate, which had expired on June 21.
The AHJAG is a joint effort of the Philippine government and the MILF that seeks to interdict and isolate lawless elements that take refuge in or near MILF communities.
Add to the potent mix the case of Basilan province, where the military can't simply throw its weight around.
An ICG report said Basilan's unique volatility arises from the fact that the small island is home to 3 heavily-armed groups -- the MILF and its predecessor the Moro National Liberation Front, as well as all as the terrorist bandit Abu Sayyaf Group (ASG).
"Clans are often involved in all three networks, as well as local electoral politics, where access to high-powered firearms is at a premium," the report added.
Marines troops set out on patrol on the morning of July 10, 2007, after receiving a tip that Fr. Bossi had been seen in Al-Barka municipality.
"Two days earlier, Basilan marine commander Col. Ramiro Alivio told Crisis Group that unusually large formations of armed men – several hundred strong – had been making their presence felt in the area for some months. Rather than attempting to distinguish their component members, which could have involved a complicated 'paper trail' with the ceasefire committee, Alivio chose to regard them as undifferentiated lawless elements," the ICG said.
The Marines' patrol turned up nothing and their luck turned for the worse when one of their trucks bogged down in the mud. The soldiers then alighted from their vehicles and fanned out to secure the perimeter.
"The site – in Guinanta village – is the location of two of the MILF's three brigade commands in Basilan. Unknown to the Marines, MILF forces were closely observing their movements. As the Marines came within meters of the guerrillas’ high ground, gunfire erupted," the ICG said.
An official of the joint government and MILF Coordinating Committees on Cessation of Hostilities (CCCH) said the gunbattle became a one-sided "pintakasi" for locals, who all went after the Marines.
"Once combat began, armed men from surrounding neighborhoods, including ASG fighters, joined against the Marines in the hope of sharing in the spoils – captured equipment, arms or ammunition – or of avenging past wrongs," the ICG said. "Followers of local politicians were embittered by the Marines' rigid enforcement of the previous May's election gun ban."
Twenty-three government troops were killed in the incident, which according to the ICG, "demonstrated the power of a momentary tactical alliance across organizational boundaries."
The October 2011 incident
On October 17, some 100 Special Forces soldiers were involved in an operation in Sitio Bakisong, Cambug Village, Al-Barka town against a small group of men led by Asnawi and Abu Sayyaf members Nursahan Jamiri and Long Malat, according to Col. Carlito Galvez, Army chief operations divisions at the office of the deputy chief of staff.
Lt. Col. Randolph Cabangbang, AFP Western Mindanao Command spokesman, also said government troops "were operating based on the information of the presence of an armed group, possibly (holding) kidnap victims."
It was not clear who fired the first shots but like in the 2007 incident, government troops suddenly found themselves outnumbered as MILF reinforcements came.
"Initially, the encountered lawless were about 10 but eventually reinforcement came from the north and it swelled to more or less 400," Galvez said.
"Nagsimula siya ng 7 ng umaga to 4 p.m.," Cabangbang told ANC. "It gave opportunity to other armed groups to join not because they have something against soldiers but they want to help relatives and recover firearms."
"Kung mga may baril sasali. Basta may firefight may sasali," he said, adding that even women may have joined the battle. "Ang daming baril diyan ng mga babae, they joined ‘yung mga enkwentro na ganyan."
http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/-depth/10/19/11...ps#comment-form
So, nangyari na dati.... BAKET PARANG HINDI NILA ALAM AT WALANG AIR SUPPORT NA NAKAHANDA?
Walang sound plan sa reinforcement.
7am to 4pm ang bigat ng bakbakan pero wala man lamang tulong.
parang wala sa plano talaga.
or maybe they were attempts (rescue chopper but cant land due to heavy enemy fire) kaso due to weak ang firepower at capability pati ng MD520 ay wala ring nagawa.
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Oct 23 2011, 04:19 AM
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The way i see it, the corrupt military is using their Test Mission to systematically cannibalize the peace process, and stabilize the region as these kids are being used as pawns or bait for more reason to conduct violence.
Those selective air strike may just be the beginning of an all out war the coup plotters like to do.
So as long as the military operations remains as surgical strikes, then the government may be safe for now without compromising the peace talks. BTW, those recent military strikes after the incident, means the government is actually quietly retaliating. Unless if these military strikes are not authorized by PNoy then it maybe considered as a mutiny, an act of defiance by certain military leaders against the president and the commander of chief of the country.
Anyway, all i personally really care about is the implementation of federalism in the philippines, the decapitation of the Yellow Gansters, fair distribution of wealth and economy nationwide, neutralizing poverty, the absolute modernization of the AFP, and lastly the end of war in mindanao and against the communism in the philippines. No matter who leads the country as long as they can regain our long lost glory in asia, or atleast in whole southeast asia.
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Oct 23 2011, 09:43 AM
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Currently tracking multiple MILF attacks and offensives throughout Mindanao.
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Oct 23 2011, 09:55 AM
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Biazon wants security council meet to form a stand on MILF
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Biazon earlier suggested the suspension of the ceasefire particularly in Basilan, after the deadly clash between government and MILF forces last Tuesday.
Some lawmakers also called out for an all-out war on the MILF, a position Biazon did not support.
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“We may resort to an all-out war, but not before we try everything to achieve peace without cost," he added.
http://www.gmanews.tv/story/236289/nation/...a-stand-on-milf
that's what is needed. a properly planned action by the civilian govt on the matter.
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Ops vs lawless elements ongoing
But earlier, President Benigno Aquino III said the operations in Zamboanga Sibugay were aimed at lawless elements who killed seven soldiers and wounded eight others there this week.
“There are ongoing operations in Zamboanga Sibugay as we speak, hindi hihinto. Gusto kong iparating na ang estado handang ipagtanggol ang ating mga kababayan... Yung mga akalang makalulusot, palagay ko madadama nila kung ano ang ibig sabihin pag nakatutok ang estado sa pagtutugis sa kanila, Aquino said in an interview Friday night.
Also, he said no one can conclude the MILF was behind the Zamboanga Sibugay incident, at least for now, adding, “Hindi pwedeng haka-haka lang."
http://www.gmanews.tv/story/236222/nation/...n-zambo-sibugay
good move by PNoy on this.
contained ang escalation but sending the right message.
i will suggest malaki effect sa morale ng tropa ang relentless hunt versus Asnawi.
mobilize the Scout Rangers to hunt him down.
when you get Asnawi ay malaking pagbawi ng sama ng loob ng sundalo.
pag kinubkob ng MILF camps. bombahin na ng artillery at Bronco pati ang camp. let them feel na hindi tayo nagpapaloko.
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Update:
http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/nation/10/21/11...lood-pnoy-warns
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Aquino went to the Libingan ng mga Bayani Friday night to pay his final respects to 15 of the 19 soldiers killed by alleged joint Abu Sayyaf and MILF troops Tuesday.
He talked to the slain soldiers’ families to personally give his condolences.
"Gusto nila ng katarungan para sa kanilang mga kamag-anak," he said, adding that the relatives of one soldier asked why he was suddenly sent to a dangerous mission when they knew all along that he was just studying.
"Mali naman kung ide-detalye ko ngayon kung ano iyung natuklasan natin kanina," the President said, referring to a command conference he chaired earlier in the day that tackled the Basilan incident.
He said a thorough investigation has been launched and at least 2 military officials have been relieved from their posts because of the Basilan incident.
"Mayroong inaasahan na paglabas ng imbestigasyon by next week, at kung kinakailangan magkakaroon tayo ng court martial kung may mga nagkulang, na lalabas sa magiging resulta ng imbestigasyon na ito," he assured.
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Lessons must be learned
Aquino said the military should learn from the incident. "Iyung mas maganda po, iyung susunod na mga operasyon, mas talagang pinaghandaan."
The President also said he will wait for the results of the ongoing investigation with regard to the MILF's claim that its spy in the military tipped the rebels regarding the Special Forces operation.
"Nagbigay ng details iyung operations kanina, napakaraming route iyung dinaanan," Aquino said, adding that he had to ask why the Special Forces team did not use a faster and safer approach to reach its target. "Isa iyon sa mga iniimbestigahan ngayon."
Definitely, gawin usual guideline ang sibakan. Kapag may clear case ng irresponsible act by the CO ay palitan agad ang nagkamaling CO.
That will send the signal across the AFP na hindi na nila basta-basta magagawang ipain yung mga tropa na walang magandang pagplaplano.
maiiwasan din ang pagpapasabak sa kapahamakan ang walang kamuwang-muwang na tropa na ginagamit sa makasariling interes ng ilang tiwaling opisyal at pulitiko .
with the new rule, mas gagawin muna ng CO ang paniguro na may nakahandang support plan at reinforcement plan bagu isabak ang tropa.
aalamin din niya ang kahandaan ng tropa muna bagu isabak.
gagawa din siya aksiyon para mapabuti ang armas at kakayahan ng tropa para maging handa sa mga biglaang laban.
otherwise, pag pumalpak, sibak siya.
ngayun dahil nakasalalay ang pwesto niya sa resulta ng bawat galaw ng tropa niya ay magiingat na sila at mas pagiisipan ang galaw ng tropa bagu isabak sa gera.
mas makabubuti na yan ngayun para sa tropa. :thumb:
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Oct 23 2011, 12:05 PM
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may bagong bakbakan naman. kasama na yung pag ambush sa mga cafgu
http://www.gmanews.tv/story/236297/regions...-basilan-ambush
this has to stop!
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IDI@T!!! COWARD!!!
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