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| 19 soldiers killed by MILF in Basilan clash | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Oct 18 2011, 11:06 PM (9,603 Views) | |
| truegrit | Oct 21 2011, 01:03 PM Post #111 |
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I suggests that the AFP should conduct a Brigade size Operation to sweep that area of MILF and Armed groups since MILF has no business to be there. Brigade size troops will be compose of battalion size troops from different Infantry Military branch like Marines, Army, Scout Ranger and Elite Forces with backup Air-support of MG520 Gunships, Huey and OV-10 COIN.. Our Military exists to ensure the Peace and Order in our country and Operation such as this would see to it that the place that are out of MILF Temporary Safe Area should be SWEEP Clean... I think that MILF are slowly creeping back or expanding their so-called territories by employing their relatives who are sympathizers to occupy places or areas. Now looks like the MILF has increase its MORALE that they can do harm to the AFP Military Forces.. |
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| flipzi | Oct 21 2011, 01:30 PM Post #112 |
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3 days..... and no support or rescue. the night operations would have been an advantage if they had night-capable attack choppers. the night operations would have allowed the military to extricate the wounded and bring in more soldiers if they had night-capable transport choppers. but the fact is, they dont have it. im sorry but i have to say the generals involved here are incapable of making good decisions. otherwise, poor management. what happened to their intel? why have they not learned of the presence of hostile troops and the number? it's time to make these generals pay for their incapacity. bring in better commanders and planners instead. |
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| flipzi | Oct 21 2011, 01:35 PM Post #113 |
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from Gen. Panfilo Lacson, Senator and former PNP Chief
more http://www.gmanews.tv/story/236096/nation/...GMANewsFacebook teka, dumaan ba sa PDFF si Lacson?
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| flipzi | Oct 21 2011, 01:57 PM Post #114 |
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http://www.gmanews.tv/story/236082/regions...-sibugay-ambush
http://www.gmanews.tv/story/236097/nation/...y-basilan-clash in all, this one should be initiated now. it seems like the MILF has been inspired by their feat in Basilan to duplicate the effort to project strength. "He suggested that troops be given more flexibility to operate especially in areas where the MILF does not follow the ceasefire rules." MILF, ... here they come! The Basilan attack might have been reasonable. But the following attacks clearly tell the govt what it is. So, the next set of casualties, which will probably be on MILF side, ... is MILF's fault. |
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| flipzi | Oct 21 2011, 02:06 PM Post #115 |
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| flipzi | Oct 21 2011, 02:20 PM Post #116 |
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again, it seems like the MILF has been inspired by their feat in Basilan to duplicate the success to project strength. probably aimed at influencing the result of the peace talk. so, the AFP and PNP should be on the alert. especially, the forward bases and checkpoints. support units like air support, artillery, armor and naval units should be on red alert as well to provide support. also the SAF. the AFP and PNP should respond to those responsible for the unprovoked attacks. otherwise, it will send the wrong signals to both the MILF and the public. |
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| mazingu | Oct 21 2011, 05:16 PM Post #117 |
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Very easy for us to blame the politicians but what about the military hierarchy itself? The wife of one of the slain soldiers confirmed that her husband called her that they will be sent on a test mission, which as we all know by now turned out to be this debacle. How many failed test missions resulted in the tragic loss of lives of junior officers & EPs before? Test missions for newbie SF operators that were ill-planned, ill-executed and ill-supported. I think the AFP should review its doctrines & policies regarding the continued implementation of test missions for its graduating SOCOM classes. =================== Here's the PDFF thread discussing the pros & cons of test missions: http://pdff.sytes.net/index.php?showtopic=4700&st=45&#last |
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| Hitman | Oct 21 2011, 08:10 PM Post #118 |
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no spearhead i not into computer games, no time for that, what i just stated is just based on my experience when i was a soldier. this test mission for the SFs or SRs. but the number of commandos on this test mission is too many. usually just 7 man teams. thats why we need to buy more Sokols and arm them with rockets, 50 cal guns and 20 mm cannons or auto grenade launchers. and use this for air support at higher altitude not reachable by assault rifles, choppers should also be armed with flares to protect it from shoulder fired heat seeking missiles, that the moros may soon have because thousands of these were now missing in Libyan Army depots and US intel said it could land in hands of terrorists around the world sold in the black market. we also need to continue military ops against MILF now while or even there is peace negotiations. this peace negotiations is not being followed seriously. the AFP as I said need to change their strategy. Most of our units in the field actually do not have the luxury of reinforcements and air support when in contact with the enemy because of the AFP lack of choppers and because sometimes the ambush is just a bait to ambush the incoming reinforcement. failure to recognize and correct this will cause more casualties and drain the resources and budget of the AFP. guerilla warfare is just as costly as a conventional warfare as the duration last longer. we are now at the present in the losing end of this battle since this high casualties is not the first time. this also will somewhat may slow down the modernization because of the cost. Its not a bad idea to return to all out war and destroy their camps and the rebels. |
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| spearhead | Oct 21 2011, 08:21 PM Post #119 |
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^^Now PNoy doesnt want to retaliate. If it was in fact a Test Mission, then it maybe possible that the commander who sent those kids to face the more experienced rebels must have actually aware the kids were entering the MILF-controlled area but did not coordinate with the rebels. That could be the reason why the commander was relieved from his duty. Because both the government and the MILF had a peace agreement and should not be provoking each others, and this may also be the reason why the government doesnt want to retaliate. The point is, this Test Mission need to be stopped. It's too much really. I totally agree that we need those capable gunships so badly. |
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| superman | Oct 21 2011, 10:40 PM Post #120 |
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RETALIATE!!! an eye for an eye! pag may nadali na MILF pugutan din kahit patay na tapos gawing kilawin ang mga laman loob ipakain sa mga ilaga! BullS! ang leader ng mga yan dapat kasama sya natodas dun. Ang tagal na natin kalaban ang mga yan di pa rin ba tayo natututo kung pano sila labanan! |
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