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Spain ready to help AFP modernization
Topic Started: Oct 5 2011, 12:43 AM (7,925 Views)
matrix
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Why not? It's better to ask than do nothing at all.




MANILA, Philippines - Spain is ready to support the modernization efforts of the Armed Forces of the Philippines (AFP) and is willing to provide equipment to boost the military’s capabilities.

Constantino Mendez Martinez, Spain’s Vice-Minister of Defense, said yesterday they are willing to give second-hand defense articles if requested by the Philippine government.

“A government-to-government transaction is possible subject to existing laws. I must stress that it is the Philippine government that should enumerate its needs,” Martinez told The STAR.

“It is every country’s right to state its needs and our role is to facilitate the (acquisition) process so we could hasten it,” he added.

http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?artic...ubCategoryId=63
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Oct 6 2011, 11:45 PM
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Oct 6 2011, 11:33 PM
If the Spaniards are serious in helping us modernize, I hope they can give us one of their old navy ships like

Sta. Maria frigates


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Career
Name: SPS Santa Mar�a (F81)
Builder: Bazan
Laid down: 22 May 1982
Launched: 11 November 1984
Commissioned: 12 October 1986
Homeport: Rota, C�diz
Status: in active service, as of 2011
General characteristics
Class and type: Santa Maria-class frigate
Displacement: 2,851 long tons (2,897�t) light
3,610 long tons (3,668�t) standard
4,177 long tons (4,244�t) full load
Length: 138.8�m (455�ft�5�in)
Beam: 14.3�m (46�ft�11�in)
Draft: 8.6�m (28�ft�3�in)
Propulsion: 2 � General Electric LM2500-30 gas turbines generating 41,000�shp (31�MW) coupled to a single shaft and controllable pitch propeller
Speed: 30 knots (56�km/h; 35�mph)+
Armament: � OTO Melara Mk 75 76 mm/62 caliber naval gun
� Mk 32 triple-tube (324 mm) launcher for Mark 46 torpedoes
� Mk 13 Missile Launcher for RGM-84 Harpoon SSM and SM-1MR Block VIB SAM
� 20 mm Meroka CIWS 12 barrel AA system
Aircraft carried: SH-60 Seahawk LAMPS III helicopter


Discubierta class corvettes

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Name: Descubierta class corvette
Builders: Bazan, Ferrol & Cartagena
Operators: Spanish Navy, Egyptian Navy, Moroccan Navy
Built: 1975-1984
Completed: 9
Active: 8
Retired: 1
General characteristics
Type: Corvette
Displacement: 1,233 tons standard, 1,482 tons full load
Length: 88.8 m
Beam: 10.4 m
Draught: 3.8 m
Propulsion: 2 shaft, 4 MTU diesel engines, 16,000�hp (12,000�kW)
Speed: 25 knots
Range: 4,000 nautical miles (7,400�km) at 18 knots (33�km/h)
Complement: 118
Armament:
8 - Harpoon SSM
1 - octuple Sea Sparrow SAM
1 - 76 mm gun
2 - 40 mm guns (2x1)
1 - two barreled Bofors Anti-submarine mortar
6 - 12.75 in anti submarine torpedo tubes (2x3)

What makes you think that the Spaniards somehow are supposed to give away their warships?

if we can pay, sure, but let us not try to grab the Spanish arm just because Spain extended its hand: we should be grateful and not act as if the Spaniards owed us their support. We are a sovereign nation and military modernization is OUR duty and responsibility - not Spain's (unless of course, you want to revive the Spanish Empire :drunk:).



I agree also with your statements kuya I.... :thumb:
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This is good, possibly, we can acquire the spanish amx-30s they still have and add a rpg cage. Lightweight, fast, speedy and powerful, perfect for philippine conditions like in the outskirts or inside cities
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News from Spain..

The Spanish government will be selling surplus frigates to the Philippines, including the S-70 submarines. They will also offer an MRV for $ 70M.

Just hope we will buy soon.




Philippine government offensive to sell military equipment to the Aquino regime

- Indra, Navantia and Airbus Military contracts opt to billionaires

Diariocritico 25/01/2013

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The Government has launched an operation to achieve strong penetration in the Spanish arms industry modernization of the Philippine Army: organized a diplomatic and military offensive in the Asian country, which has led directly to our ambassador in Manila, Jorge Domecq, and military attache, Colonel Carlos Sheep. According to a diplomatic courier who had access Diariocritico, the Government of Rajoy wants Navantia Indra and modernize the fleet air and sea Aquino government.


In a diplomatic courier dated October 26 in Manila and signed by our ambassador to the Philippines, Jorge Manuel Domecq, and by Colonel Carlos Sheep, military attache at that embassy, ​​he realizes that the talks were held with officials from the Department of National Philippine Defense on the occasion of a visit spared, between 22 and 24 October, the Asian country the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs, Gonzalo de Benito.


According to the document seen by Diariocritico, the meeting was held with three Deputy Ministers of the Department of National Defence (DND) filipino to review several programs of cooperation in defense, and the conversation went firms explicitly Indra, Navantia and Airbus Military, which is that the government wants to help Rajoy introduced in the Philippine market.

From that conversation came the Information Note 33/2012, attached to the diplomatic courier, sent to the Directorate General for Defence Policy of the Ministry of Defence and signed by Colonel Carlos Sheep. The meeting was attended Domecq, Sheep and Gonzalo de Benito on the Spanish side, and vice Filipinos for Defense Affairs Honorio Azcueta for Finance, Munitions, Installations and Materiel Fernando Manato, and Civil Affairs, Veterans and Reserve, Eduardo Batac as well as the Director for Procurement, Facilities and Logistics Patrick Velez.

Implementation Agreement for the Acquisition of Military Goods

At that meeting, the report Diariocritico held, it was the need to develop cooperation between the two countries with the signing of an "Implementation Agreement for the Acquisition of Military Goods", although the deputy minister said Manato that could continue negotiating deals without having signed the new agreement.

Looking to modernize Philippine armed forces, Gonzalo de Benito took the opportunity to launch an offensive, reminding his interlocutors that only a month earlier had been approved in parliament Modernization Act Philippine armed forces and companies in Spain have Defense very capable as Indra, Airbus Military and Navantia that could participate in this process.

At that meeting, the Filipinos said the budget for modernization and its availability is 75 billion pesos for five years (15 per year) and is now available in the budgets of the DND, which makes the operation can be very profitable . And at that point, Gonzalo de Benito took the opportunity to comment on "the solvency of Indra and the fact that 1 in 3 planes flying around the world are controlled by Indra systems".

Deals Indra, Navantia and Airbus Military

Among the offers put on the table were 3-4 ASRS and modernization Operations Center, Regional Control Centres and communications for Air Defense of the Philippines, which could mount Indra.

For the Air Force, the Spanish delegation proposed to Airbus Military, but Vice President Manalo revealed they were considering including the supply of CN212 (Indonesian) for light transport (LL), the CN235 (Indonesian) for Long Range Patrol / Anti-submarine warfare (LRPNASW) and C295 of AM for Transport Medium (ML). However, left the door open, "stressed that the company who makes the best offer will win the contract."

As for the navy, Gonzalo de Benito reported that Navantia builds the Spanish Navy ships delivered in November and the second aircraft carrier to the Australian Navy. He became interested in the possibility of tendering material "surplus" as the frigates FFG, that would compete with the Italian type "Maestrale'' submarine S-70, which would be low in Spain in 2015 or 2016, for the establishment of a fleet of submarines Filipino, and corvettes type "Discovered".


Philippine Deputy Velez showed interest in Strategic Transport Vessels (SSV), to which the ambassador replied that according Domecq Navantia, 44M budget? for each SSV "falls far short", as only teams that make up the ship cost and 70 M?.

Another aspect that could open the way business is important to the performance in the renewal of Philippine vessels. At this point, the Spanish delegation was interested in the arrival of the second class American Cutter "Hamilton" who will receive the Philippine Navy, informing Filipinos modernize Navantia has experience in this type of boats and would be interested in making a offer. The answer was that arrived in January and would be considered the supply of Navantia.


http://translate.google.com/translate?langpair=auto|en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.diariocritico.com%2Fnacional%2Fcorreo-diplomatico%2Fofensiva-en-asia%2Fventa-armas-filipinas%2F427339
Edited by matrix, Jan 27 2013, 04:25 AM.
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Hmm interesting to note that navantia has experience in mdernizing hamilton cutters. At least thats the way how i understand the translate if true thats good news. Plus the entry of indra, that will put the italians a run for their money. Could be the lanza radar and improving the command centers. I wonder how would the italians counter this.
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It seems the Spaniards will offer their Sta. Maria frigates, Discubierta corvettes as well as their
S-70 submarines, to us.

At least we already know the price of Navantia SSV---$ 70M each.

Very interesting offer from the Spaniards..
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From Matrix report:

Implementation Agreement for the Acquisition of Military Goods

At that meeting, the report Diariocritico held, it was the need to develop cooperation between the two countries with the signing of an "Implementation Agreement for the Acquisition of Military Goods", although the deputy minister said Manato that could continue negotiating deals without having signed the new agreement.

Looking to modernize Philippine armed forces, Gonzalo de Benito took the opportunity to launch an offensive, reminding his interlocutors that only a month earlier had been approved in parliament Modernization Act Philippine armed forces and companies in Spain have Defense very capable as Indra, Airbus Military and Navantia that could participate in this process.

At that meeting, the Filipinos said the budget for modernization and its availability is 75 billion pesos for five years (15 per year) and is now available in the budgets of the DND, which makes the operation can be very profitable . And at that point, Gonzalo de Benito took the opportunity to comment on "the solvency of Indra and the fact that 1 in 3 planes flying around the world are controlled by Indra systems".

Deals Indra, Navantia and Airbus Military

Among the offers put on the table were 3-4 ASRS and modernization Operations Center, Regional Control Centres and communications for Air Defense of the Philippines, which could mount Indra.

For the Air Force, the Spanish delegation proposed to Airbus Military, but Vice President Manalo revealed they were considering including the supply of CN212 (Indonesian) for light transport (LL), the CN235 (Indonesian) for Long Range Patrol / Anti-submarine warfare (LRPNASW) and C295 of AM for Transport Medium (ML). However, left the door open, "stressed that the company who makes the best offer will win the contract."

As for the navy, Gonzalo de Benito reported that Navantia builds the Spanish Navy ships delivered in November and the second aircraft carrier to the Australian Navy. He became interested in the possibility of tendering material "surplus" as the frigates FFG, that would compete with the Italian type "Maestrale'' submarine S-70, which would be low in Spain in 2015 or 2016, for the establishment of a fleet of submarines Filipino, and corvettes type "Discovered".

Philippine Deputy Velez showed interest in Strategic Transport Vessels (SSV), to which the ambassador replied that according Domecq Navantia, 44M budget? for each SSV "falls far short", as only teams that make up the ship cost and 70 M?.

Another aspect that could open the way business is important to the performance in the renewal of Philippine vessels. At this point, the Spanish delegation was interested in the arrival of the second class American Cutter "Hamilton" who will receive the Philippine Navy, informing Filipinos modernize Navantia has experience in this type of boats and would be interested in making a offer. The answer was that arrived in January and would be considered the supply of Navantia.

http://translate.google.com/translate?langpair=auto|en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.diariocritico.com%2Fnacional%2Fcorreo-diplomatico%2Fofensiva-en-asia%2Fventa-armas-filipinas%2F427339


My comment:

The Maestrale class frigates are specialized in anti-sub warfare while the Santa Maria Class are air-defense frigates. I see no reason why they would compete with each other for the PN acquisition. The Lupo class perhaps can be installed towed-array sonars too. The Spanish and Italian ships can make up what the PN needs in frigates and corvettes (Lupos being Jr. frigs or corvettes) both for anti-sub and air defense.

Payment for the other ships (which will be available in the latter years of the 5 year budget) can be spread out through the next 5 year budget: specially with the Phil. having a higher GDP on the 2nd 5 year we can anticipate the the milt. modernization budget will be higher.
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Jan 27 2013, 10:25 AM
It seems the Spaniards will offer their Sta. Maria frigates, Discubierta corvettes as well as their
S-70 submarines, to us.

At least we already know the price of Navantia SSV---$ 70M each.

Very interesting offer from the Spaniards..
So i would presume the SSV we are buying from Korea is worth 44M each. Wasn't the budget was P10B which is around $244M for two?
Nevertheless, seem like a good deal (the Galicia Class LPD) at $70M. Comparing it to Makassar class, Galicia has twice the payload capacity with hospital and NBC warfare decontamination and protection system at only 1.6x the price. Just a bigger ship, bigger pads and bigger bang for the money plus it is not that old also. Or this SSV is a brand new ship altogether? I wonder if we are really serious about it? The Spaniards are giving the Italians a run for their money.

Wily, let's get them while they're cheap. Everyone wants to make a deal. It will boil down to creative financing to fit in our tight budget. We're heading to the finish line....

Edited by Santi Kampilan, Jan 27 2013, 12:15 PM.
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although without AIPs, the s70 class has the capability to launch exocets, how much are the spaniards offering the subs? if near $300m, better off with a new kilo. hmm...+/-$200m perhaps?
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Link within matrix's link:

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Spain wants to capitalize on the interest of the Philippines by the Border Surveillance System (SIVE) to get insight into the company INDRA this Asian country. This was established diplomatic courier sent by the Spanish ambassador in Manila, Jorge Domecq, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs who had access Diariocritico. The visit of General Cesar Garcia to Spain by that and other matters "would be useful for our business interests, given the availability of INDRA to these authorities."

The quoted diplomatic courier is dated October 30, 2012 and in it, the ambassador of Spain in the Philippines Jorge Domecq, relates to the Ministry of Foreign Affairs that the conversation that day in Manila remained with National Advisory Philippine Security, General Cesar Garcia, who has the rank of minister and heads the coordination of intelligence services in the Asian country.

Diariocritico

INDRA SIVE Border Surveillance System

But . . . they mean these reports are taken from a LEAKED diplomatic courier? :armyhuh: Has our DND heard of this?
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