China demands war - Sino- Filipino Vietmamese WAR?

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China demands war - Sino- Filipino Vietmamese WAR?; China said "The Dragon’s Teaching"
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paratorpe	Oct 3 2011, 10:45 AM Post #71
Member Posts: 879 Group: Regulars Member #4,250 Joined: February 26, 2008	Those Oil Reserves and Foreign reserves will be obliterated if we are invaded. It reminds me of my co-partner business, he was so good, he made the business flourish, but he neglected to spend on security, one day, robber got them, and all his assets was wiped out in a day. It could/will happen to the Philippines, with an incompetent blabbering all talk leader on the stead. Hope his pop idol fans does not react violently, because you might be dying in the frontline holding a rifle against a missile, tank and su-30 because your idol failed to equip you and started a war because he failed in the diplomatic and international relations arena. Dont worry, after the war, we will put you up a monument as a consolation for being a fanatic.
	Modernization should prioritize: Patrol Ships with air/sub/ship detection, fast & lightly armed for Navy. Surface Attack Aircraft with anti ship/sub attack capability for Airforce. SAM with Radars, Close AA battery capable of shooting ground targets too for Army. This triangle defense will work together and protect us from external threats.


Mckoyzzz	Oct 3 2011, 02:01 PM Post #72
Ipsa Scientia Potestas Est Posts: 2,780 Group: PDFF Mod Group Member #6,962 Joined: July 28, 2011	paratorpe Oct 3 2011, 10:45 AM Those Oil Reserves and Foreign reserves will be obliterated if we are invaded. It reminds me of my co-partner business, he was so good, he made the business flourish, but he neglected to spend on security, one day, robber got them, and all his assets was wiped out in a day. It could/will happen to the Philippines, with an incompetent blabbering all talk leader on the stead. Hope his pop idol fans does not react violently, because you might be dying in the frontline holding a rifle against a missile, tank and su-30 because your idol failed to equip you and started a war because he failed in the diplomatic and international relations arena. Dont worry, after the war, we will put you up a monument as a consolation for being a fanatic. IMHO sir, I am not in favor of any president but as you may know military defense cannot be established in a blink of an eye. Please do remember that the current president is only in his first year but as you can see there are significant developments already being done, including the rushing up of military purchases and seeking out funding for defense. Magic will not work here. We have limited funds for modernization and defense is not the only problem the country have. Unless we become a communist nation by then we can make the defense the top of our priorities. We have laws and we have the constitution. They just follow it. At least the president is doing it's best to seek support with other nations who have the capabilities of which we don't have. That's the best thing he can do right now. Everyone knows that we need to speed up our defense capabilities but it's not that easy.. it takes time. Even for example, the heavens opened up and dropped squadrons of f-18s, sukhois, migs, MBTs, destroyers, submarines.. what do you think our soldiers do with it? I guess stare at it in amazement and then nothing.. they still need training to man these equipments. My point is we run out of time because of the incompetencies of the previous administrations and military leaders. They were not able to see and prepare for the future. They're not able to foresee these problems now.
	"Do not condemn the judgment of another because it differs from your own. You may both be wrong -- Dandemis"


AVBsupersonic	Oct 3 2011, 07:11 PM Post #73
Member Posts: 1,996 Group: Regulars Member #5,877 Joined: April 10, 2010	Mckoyzz, I totally agree with what you're saying, but maybe what Mr.Paratorpe meant was an Immediate action from the President, we all know that it only takes a piece of paper and a signature (EP) to release funds, since they (P.I. Govt.) already made statements regarding Sec. Del Rosario's wish list to acquire New Military Equipments through leasing and the US Agreed to help, after that it's dead ever since, although there are reports of advance training and all from PAF, PNs, but we haven't heard any future acquisitions of anything major except (2) more WHECs... Although these things can be "Classified" who knows, maybe when those unconfirmed trainings are done, one day we'll be surprised to see BiG Toyz for our BiG Boyz in (PAF, PN) any time soon... Let's all hope this is the case! It only takes one move for China to occupy Islands that we control in KiG, the same thing with bringing their Oil Rig in WPS, Reed Bank etc. escorted by Chinese Destroyer, Nuclear Subs and Shi lang Carrier with SU-30s. Once they occupy the Islands/ Areas they planned to occupy, it's game over for us just like how they occupied Mischief Reef, we can't do anything about it, since they are all disputed Islands w/ Multiple Claimants. We won't even be able to challenge them on a stand off, "Baka papunta palang ang mga PN ships like GDP, Humabon, Jacintos eh tirahin na sila ng mga PLA Subs o Position lang yung PLA Navy Missile Destroyer with Matching Su-30 Air Cover habang tinatayo yung Oil Rig nila, sa tingin mo may magawa tayo?" We won't be able to deter them unless we have something similar that can inflict the same damage to them that will make them think twice resulting in a Standoff, the BIG PROBLEM is WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING RIGHT NOW! Only we can make the difference and do something, other Country Allies won't do it for us especially if the conflict occurs in Disputed Areas. Scenario;What if's! "Kapag halimbawa naunahan tayo ng "Blockade" before our ships arrive in the Area na itatayo nila ang Oil Rig, wala na tayong ibang magagawa kung hindi tumigil lang, na hindi dapat mangyari O Pumutok ng sabayan at mag sakripisyo para lang mag trigger ang MDT natin w/ US, at dito lang magkakaalaman kung hanggang saan sila tutulong...." The grim result will be definitely the lost of our ill-equipped Ships and Air assets who responded to the situation because of the Government's laid back style, lack of foresight and Priority to provide the proper modern equipments our AFP needs to be able to protect the Country and it's Interests especially if there are indirect threats like this article. We know all of these can't be done in an instant, but they can do much better than what's happening right now considering the current situations.. Better for us to be MORE prepared, because sending our Soldiers ill- equipped to a battle that they can't win, just to be sacrificed or slaughtered is Inhumane as well. IT SHOULD BE DETERRENCE AND NOT PROVOKING ONLY TO SACRIFICE OUR SOLDIERS, WHICH CLEARLY IS WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN IF THEY DON'T DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.... Just my 2 cents...
	"Some are just lucky that they're not under oath and are not classified!"- Blue badge


Mckoyzzz	Oct 3 2011, 10:26 PM Post #74
Ipsa Scientia Potestas Est Posts: 2,780 Group: PDFF Mod Group Member #6,962 Joined: July 28, 2011	Well, regarding emergency and issues which matter the national security, I'm sure there's a law somewhere in our Constitution which gives the President special powers to release funds or gives a presidential decree to expedite arming of the military. But the question is if when or will the President use this powers and how will affect the people. Because as of what's happening now, though many people were not informed, there's a looming war that all sides, including other nations not directly involved, are trying to soothe down.
	"Do not condemn the judgment of another because it differs from your own. You may both be wrong -- Dandemis"


InkognitoAce	Oct 6 2011, 11:33 PM Post #75
Member Posts: 347 Group: Regulars Member #6,889 Joined: July 6, 2011	spearhead Sep 29 2011, 08:50 PM ni84 Sep 29 2011, 08:45 PM Sure, beefing up and adding further military development must be initiated but we must also accept that we must not limit our options in the table. Look at Japan and South Korea, according to many analyst which includes nuclear experts that nations like Japan maintain a "one screw turn away" capability of developing nuclear weapons. For me we must not exclude or limit the options in our table, that is my opinion. Im actually supporting a nuclear weapon for the philippines, if ever. Just you know, atleast learn how to develop it, and if permitted then build atleast a couple just for a counter-attack use. Though this has to be done only if the philippines became free from mulsim insurgency and communist threats. No nukes please. The radioactive fall-out can be easily driven back to the Philippines - depending on the winds. What we could do, however, is to cooperate with the Indians to develop our own conventional ballistic missiles and aim them all at the Yangtse River Dam. If that thing breaks, China will have a state of national emergency and it will have to use its troops to clean up the mess - which basically will result in genocide (just minus the radioactive fallout). And no, I am not proposing this to actually be done, but as a means to deter any ICBM or IRBM attacks on the Philippines. If the enemy knows that we can cause him great damage, he won't foolishly attack us just like that. But as things are, China could easily destroy our entire military within a matter of days. The only things that will be left are some soldiers with small weapons and perhaps some mortars.
	"Once abolish the God, and the government becomes the God." (G. K. Chesterton) "Justice forbids, and reason itself forbids, the State to be godless; or to adopt a line of action which would end in godlessness, namely to treat the various religions (as they call them) alike, and to bestow upon them promiscuously equal rights and privileges." (Pope Leo XIII)


tendatu	Oct 7 2011, 12:09 AM Post #76
Member Posts: 388 Group: Regulars Member #6,851 Joined: June 24, 2011	InkognitoAce Oct 6 2011, 11:33 PM spearhead Sep 29 2011, 08:50 PM ni84 Sep 29 2011, 08:45 PM Sure, beefing up and adding further military development must be initiated but we must also accept that we must not limit our options in the table. Look at Japan and South Korea, according to many analyst which includes nuclear experts that nations like Japan maintain a "one screw turn away" capability of developing nuclear weapons. For me we must not exclude or limit the options in our table, that is my opinion. Im actually supporting a nuclear weapon for the philippines, if ever. Just you know, atleast learn how to develop it, and if permitted then build atleast a couple just for a counter-attack use. Though this has to be done only if the philippines became free from mulsim insurgency and communist threats. No nukes please. The radioactive fall-out can be easily driven back to the Philippines - depending on the winds. What we could do, however, is to cooperate with the Indians to develop our own conventional ballistic missiles and aim them all at the Yangtse River Dam. If that thing breaks, China will have a state of national emergency and it will have to use its troops to clean up the mess - which basically will result in genocide (just minus the radioactive fallout). And no, I am not proposing this to actually be done, but as a means to deter any ICBM or IRBM attacks on the Philippines. If the enemy knows that we can cause him great damage, he won't foolishly attack us just like that. But as things are, China could easily destroy our entire military within a matter of days. The only things that will be left are some soldiers with small weapons and perhaps some mortars. ur plan is so evil...... : nah! That so barbaric. We are Pilipino and not chinese. Pilipinos do not make that such evil plan. We are not terrorist.
	“Wars may be fought with weapons, but they are won by men. It is the spirit of the men who follow and of the man who leads that gains the victory.”


InkognitoAce	Oct 7 2011, 12:50 AM Post #77
Member Posts: 347 Group: Regulars Member #6,889 Joined: July 6, 2011	Quote: And no, I am not proposing this to actually be done, but as a means to deter any ICBM or IRBM attacks on the Philippines. :thumb:
	"Once abolish the God, and the government becomes the God." (G. K. Chesterton) "Justice forbids, and reason itself forbids, the State to be godless; or to adopt a line of action which would end in godlessness, namely to treat the various religions (as they call them) alike, and to bestow upon them promiscuously equal rights and privileges." (Pope Leo XIII)


spearhead	Oct 7 2011, 01:14 AM Post #78
DoctorNO, Your Neutral Observer. Posts: 6,903 Group: Regulars Member #655 Joined: February 14, 2006	InkognitoAce Oct 6 2011, 11:33 PM spearhead Sep 29 2011, 08:50 PM ni84 Sep 29 2011, 08:45 PM Sure, beefing up and adding further military development must be initiated but we must also accept that we must not limit our options in the table. Look at Japan and South Korea, according to many analyst which includes nuclear experts that nations like Japan maintain a "one screw turn away" capability of developing nuclear weapons. For me we must not exclude or limit the options in our table, that is my opinion. Im actually supporting a nuclear weapon for the philippines, if ever. Just you know, atleast learn how to develop it, and if permitted then build atleast a couple just for a counter-attack use. Though this has to be done only if the philippines became free from mulsim insurgency and communist threats. No nukes please. The radioactive fall-out can be easily driven back to the Philippines - depending on the winds. What we could do, however, is to cooperate with the Indians to develop our own conventional ballistic missiles and aim them all at the Yangtse River Dam. If that thing breaks, China will have a state of national emergency and it will have to use its troops to clean up the mess - which basically will result in genocide (just minus the radioactive fallout). And no, I am not proposing this to actually be done, but as a means to deter any ICBM or IRBM attacks on the Philippines. If the enemy knows that we can cause him great damage, he won't foolishly attack us just like that. But as things are, China could easily destroy our entire military within a matter of days. The only things that will be left are some soldiers with small weapons and perhaps some mortars. Yep i support that idea too minus the genocide.
	"Men of War must learn the art of numbers or he will not know how to array his troops." - Plato


ni84	Oct 7 2011, 06:31 AM Post #79
Posts: 2,503 Group: Elite Member #7,006 Joined: August 16, 2011	Some may view that having the capability of making nuclear weapons or having nuclear weapons are evil. True, but we must accept the lesser of two evils, one is be bullied, attacked or God forbid Invaded or having the most powerful and inhumane weapons in our disposal to deter and prevent the enemy from attacking us. Besides nuclear weapons just sit safely in their silos or alert bunkers, unless the order is given to use them.
	We shall not fail or falter; we shall not weaken or tire...Give us the tools and we will finish the job. Sir Winston Churchill, BBC radio broadcast, 1941 We'll settle this the old navy way: first guy to die, loses. President Thomas 'Tug' Benson, Hot Shots! Part Deux Raketnye voyska strategicheskogo naznacheniya Rossiyskoy Federatsii 15,000 nukes and enough for another 40,000


InkognitoAce	Oct 7 2011, 07:26 AM Post #80
Member Posts: 347 Group: Regulars Member #6,889 Joined: July 6, 2011	ni84 Oct 7 2011, 06:31 AM Some may view that having the capability of making nuclear weapons or having nuclear weapons are evil. True, but we must accept the lesser of two evils, one is be bullied, attacked or God forbid Invaded or having the most powerful and inhumane weapons in our disposal to deter and prevent the enemy from attacking us. Besides nuclear weapons just sit safely in their silos or alert bunkers, unless the order is given to use them. Some people here already piss their pants when you say that we should mount MANPADS on our navy ships because the rebels could get them!!! sigh And now, some want nukes...
	"Once abolish the God, and the government becomes the God." (G. K. Chesterton) "Justice forbids, and reason itself forbids, the State to be godless; or to adopt a line of action which would end in godlessness, namely to treat the various religions (as they call them) alike, and to bestow upon them promiscuously equal rights and privileges." (Pope Leo XIII)


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