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| arvcab | Sep 4 2011, 08:45 PM Post #1 |
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http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/-depth/09/04/11...itary-wikileaks MANILA, Philippines - The 2,000-strong private army of a powerful clan suspected of carrying out the Philippines' worst political massacre was better armed than the military and police, leaked US embassy cables showed. The cables from late 2009, released by anti-secrecy website WikiLeaks, described the reach of the feared Ampatuan clan in the southern region of Mindanao and said it had authorities on the run. Key members of the clan and its private army are now being tried for the murder of 57 people in Mindanao in 2009 but many of the accused are still at large, making witnesses reluctant to come forward. "We estimate that the Ampatuan clan maintains a private army of up to 2,000 men -- who are often better armed and equipped than their (police) and (military) counterparts," an embassy cable said. "Government officials were astonished by the size of the arms caches and the power of the weaponry" that was later recovered from the Ampatuans, another cable said. However, the files also said the government had turned a "blind eye" to such private armies because they helped in the fight against Muslim insurgents. "They are often politically allied with the President," one cable added, referring to then-president Gloria Arroyo. The Ampatuans were allies of Arroyo but she disowned them after they were linked to the murder of 57 political rivals, lawyers and journalists in a bid to prevent a rival from challenging them in elections in 2010. The embassy also noted that Arroyo had to impose martial law in the affected area in order to arrest the suspects, disarm the Ampatuans and restore order. "There are many areas in the Philippines... where armed groups have proliferated and the national authorities have a very limited capability to impose order," the secret documents warned. Although many key members of the Ampatuan clan have been arrested, victims' relatives have expressed concern that, in the Philippines' notoriously overburdened justice system, the trial could take years to complete. |
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| ni84 | Sep 4 2011, 08:58 PM Post #2 |
 
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Not only the Ampatuan's but a lot of Muslim Political families are heavily armed as well, it is in my own opinion and view that we must aggressively disarm them and start making sure that this "Muslim Political Families" should be reduced and lower their stature. |
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We shall not fail or falter; we shall not weaken or tire...Give us the tools and we will finish the job. Sir Winston Churchill, BBC radio broadcast, 1941 We'll settle this the old navy way: first guy to die, loses. President Thomas 'Tug' Benson, Hot Shots! Part Deux  Raketnye voyska strategicheskogo naznacheniya Rossiyskoy Federatsii 15,000 nukes and enough for another 40,000 | |
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| spearhead | Sep 5 2011, 12:55 AM Post #3 |
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To disarm them, first you will have to post a gun law against such creating private armies and all that goons. And then enforce it. That's the hardes part there unless if the government could actually utilize their PNP-SAF against these goons backed by a strong political will. |
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| ni84 | Sep 5 2011, 07:10 AM Post #4 |
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I see no problem in disarming aggressively, if they do not well more food for the worms. |
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We shall not fail or falter; we shall not weaken or tire...Give us the tools and we will finish the job. Sir Winston Churchill, BBC radio broadcast, 1941 We'll settle this the old navy way: first guy to die, loses. President Thomas 'Tug' Benson, Hot Shots! Part Deux Raketnye voyska strategicheskogo naznacheniya Rossiyskoy Federatsii 15,000 nukes and enough for another 40,000 | |
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| spearhead | Sep 5 2011, 08:14 AM Post #5 |
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DoctorNO, Your Neutral Observer.
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If you try to disarm them without a law to back you up then it will only create another problem for you or the government, even may prolong the war against these culprits. |
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| ni84 | Sep 5 2011, 08:51 AM Post #6 |
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Make a law then, but for they are a threat just like any other rebellion in this country. |
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We shall not fail or falter; we shall not weaken or tire...Give us the tools and we will finish the job. Sir Winston Churchill, BBC radio broadcast, 1941 We'll settle this the old navy way: first guy to die, loses. President Thomas 'Tug' Benson, Hot Shots! Part Deux Raketnye voyska strategicheskogo naznacheniya Rossiyskoy Federatsii 15,000 nukes and enough for another 40,000 | |
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| ni84 | Sep 5 2011, 10:40 AM Post #7 |
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They use those private armies of theirs as a way for them to conduct their "RIDO" at each other without thinking of the people that might get caught in the crossfire. |
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We shall not fail or falter; we shall not weaken or tire...Give us the tools and we will finish the job. Sir Winston Churchill, BBC radio broadcast, 1941 We'll settle this the old navy way: first guy to die, loses. President Thomas 'Tug' Benson, Hot Shots! Part Deux Raketnye voyska strategicheskogo naznacheniya Rossiyskoy Federatsii 15,000 nukes and enough for another 40,000 | |
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| Frenzy | Sep 6 2011, 02:17 PM Post #8 |
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http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/artic...951dca6d16d.2b1 MANILA — The 2,000-strong private army of a powerful clan suspected of carrying out the Philippines' worst political massacre was better armed than the military and police, leaked US embassy cables showed. The cables from late 2009, released by anti-secrecy website WikiLeaks, described the reach of the feared Ampatuan clan in the southern region of Mindanao and said it had authorities on the run. Key members of the clan and its private army are now being tried for the murder of 57 people in Mindanao in 2009 but many of the accused are still at large, making witnesses reluctant to come forward. "We estimate that the Ampatuan clan maintains a private army of up to 2,000 men -- who are often better armed and equipped than their (police) and (military) counterparts," an embassy cable said. "Government officials were astonished by the size of the arms caches and the power of the weaponry" that was later recovered from the Ampatuans, another cable said. However, the files also said the government had turned a "blind eye" to such private armies because they helped in the fight against Muslim insurgents. "They are often politically allied with the President," one cable added, referring to then-president Gloria Arroyo. |
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| nonong | Sep 6 2011, 07:45 PM Post #9 |
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I have a question. What is the present status of the Ampatuan private army? The Ampatuans are political allies of the former President GMA. Such firepower should not fall into the hands of the MILF Warlord Militia. |
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| ni84 | Sep 7 2011, 07:44 AM Post #10 |
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According to a aunt of mine who lives in Davao City and frequently goes to Maguindanao for her business, the Ampatuan army is still active. As you may know the Ampatuan do not keep all of their money in banks but in hidden vaults, also they have big business both legal and illegal that is still generating huge revenue's for them. I heard one of their business would generate 20 million pesos in a month. |
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We shall not fail or falter; we shall not weaken or tire...Give us the tools and we will finish the job. Sir Winston Churchill, BBC radio broadcast, 1941 We'll settle this the old navy way: first guy to die, loses. President Thomas 'Tug' Benson, Hot Shots! Part Deux Raketnye voyska strategicheskogo naznacheniya Rossiyskoy Federatsii 15,000 nukes and enough for another 40,000 | |
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